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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 3:34:00 GMT -5
I'm just going to be real. Straight up, ever since Alexa won the Raw title I can't stand watching her. Whether she's cutting a promo, whether she's in a backstage segment, whether she's wrestling, I can't deal with it. The issue is that she's essentially the Roman Reigns of the Women's Division except she's a heel. She makes those she works with look bad and she stalls the angles she's in. Nobody thought Mickie would win those other 394 times they've wrestled, nobody thought Sasha would get her belt back, hell the reason Bayley's the way she is today is because that horrible Alexa feud. Fact is Alexa is booked horribly. I don't care how realistic her character is if I hate seeing her on tv. She's one of the reasons why I don't watch full programs anymore. To me she's what Charlotte should've been in her heel run, a strong champion but one you can feel cool with cheering for and representing through her merch, plus unlike Charlotte who had to SHOUT EVERYTHING as a heel, Lexi just has this cool confident swagger to her, the kind of chick that you know you're supposed to boo but can't help but cheer because of her excellent mic game and facial expressions. Look at what I've bolded, that's exactly the problem here. You've spent the entire time talking about Alexa rather than everyone she faces. You're such a fan of hers that you can't see what we're saying here. It's the same thing that happened during the Reign of Terror with Triple H. All the focus is built around her and how great she is and those who she faces don't look good at all. You even mentioned Bayley and Mickie as knocks against them earlier but the reality is if Alexa were as great as you claim she is then they wouldn't have been hindered, they would have been uplifted. A great champion is someone who builds others up and makes them look good which Alexa hasn't done. AJ Styles is a great champion, he makes everyone look great. HBK was a great champion, Bryan was a great champion. Alexa isn't because in her angles she's the one who benefits while whoever loses to her doesn't get anything in return. Jinder for example, he's lost to Styles but through these segments, promos, matches, he's come out better than he was before their feud and that's because Styles is a great champion. You can't say that with Alexa, all you can do is talk about her. I and others watch wrestling for a cast of great characters. We don't watch wrestling for one person to run roughshod over a division so yeah, you can keep saying this about Alexa but the fact is her booking is straight trash and she's a bad champion. I don't care how cool you think she is because that's your opinion. My opinion is that I'd rather watch a Bray Wyatt promo on repeat for 15 minutes rather than watching Alexa on screen. Once she gets the belt off of her and once she stops getting as much time as she gets now maybe my opinion will change.
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Post by BigAl on Dec 14, 2017 3:48:56 GMT -5
I was a major bliss fan when she was on smackdown but after seeing bayley, sasha, and mickie destroyed and not get their revenve on her, and became after thoughts on raws woman division, she is just soooooooo boring to me now, sure its fun to see her make great face expression and hear hear talk but get that belt off her. She is now equal to roman reigns to me, and i was one of her early supporters, and i am now sick of her with the belt,
And if she turns face and those other girls actually accepts her as that, then it makes no logical sense, but them again her relationship with Nia makes no sense , since the bookers dont know what they are doing.
Honestly, your blind royality to her reminds me of many trolls on another forum who was posting all this love of Jindah to annoy, unless they really did love his stuff, not trying to get you angry. But take it from another bliss fan, dial .back on your love for her, as it always leads to moderators getting involved since you refuse to hear others opinions on her, even if the opinions have many validity, and truth , yet it always ends with you annoying everyone with you saying bliss is better and surpassed Sasha, bayley and Mickie, which is ridiculous, plus way you worship her, you seem to think she has more holds than Dean Malenko, and can beat any of the Japanese Girl wrestlers ina shoot fight, and that Bliss is the female equivalent of Rikidozan. .
Hope i dont get suspended for saying this , but hope it is viewed as a sage advise, dial back a bit, as every thread about Bliss seem to gets moderators involved because of your posts.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 14, 2017 4:32:19 GMT -5
I think she has a Sid quality to her, where despite not necessarily being technically skilled at everything she just 'gets it' when she's out there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 6:41:13 GMT -5
I don't blame people for hating her booking, but she's still one of my favorites. She's cute as hell, good on the mic, decent enough in the ring (not the greatest, but I don't find her to be the trainwreck some people think she is). I'd definitely keep her away from the title scene after she drops it for a little bit and, like I said in that Enzo thread, maybe have her get involved in the Nia/Enzo storyline as the concerned friend. I think this heel run has kinda run its course.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Dec 14, 2017 7:38:41 GMT -5
Alexa's push is a classic example of WWE picking up on something genuinely good then completely running it into the ground until everyone is sick of it.
Her winning the title back from Sasha after such a short amount of time was the moment where I was like, "Okay, this is just too much."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 7:41:05 GMT -5
Alexa's push is a classic example of WWE picking up on something genuinely good then completely running it into the ground until everyone is sick of it. Her winning the title back from Sasha after such a short amount of time was the moment where I was like, "Okay, this is just too much." Yeah, her beating Sasha to get the belt back the week after SummerSlam was a head scratcher for me. Especially when Sasha already had the reputation of being a choker in title defenses and needed the win.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 14, 2017 7:57:32 GMT -5
Alexa's a textbook case of booking someone to look good at the expense of everybody else. To compound matters she hasn't got the in-ring talent to either justify her push or to negate some of the damage done to the rest of the roster.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 14, 2017 8:13:55 GMT -5
I thought she was alright when she was with Team Interrobang (Blake/Murphy), but I don't like the way she's been handled on the Main Roster much at all.
Not just that they've booked the RAW women's division into oblivion in order to elevate her, but also just the general presentation of her that they've decided on.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 14, 2017 8:15:53 GMT -5
Alexa is a great talent and by all means I should like her.
But... I'm trying to figure out how to word this: It feels rare that talent exits a feud with her in better shape than they entered. Her pushes are nearly 100% at the expense of whomever she's wrestling.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 14, 2017 8:17:05 GMT -5
I don't really hate her or anything but goddamn her matches are no good. Atleast Charlotte put on good shit before it got to the lame finishes.
She reminds me a lot of AJ Lee. Where her promos were decent and her in ring stuff was passable but she had this really REALLY loyal fan base that would scream up and down that her promos were all time great and her matches were amazing. So it breeds this counter resentment in a way.
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Dec 14, 2017 9:16:22 GMT -5
I'm not a fan, and I blame the internet for that fact.
See, for me, she suffers from the same problem that Paige suffered upon her debut: She's hyped to death! In threads exactly like this one, I'm sold a bill of goods telling me about how she's this great character, how she's the best female mic worker in the company, and so on and so forth. And that's okay. I get that people look favourably at their favourites - I do the same thing. The problem is, when I tune in, I expect to see this greatness and, if it doesn't measure up to the image that I've been sold, it just kind of falls flat and I'm left thinking "Really?". And that damages the perception I have of the performer.
Don't get me wrong.. I can agree with "Good". I don't buy "Goddess".
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Post by Jiren on Dec 14, 2017 9:57:41 GMT -5
I like her but damn her booking is horrid
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Post by Yacht Persona on Dec 14, 2017 10:18:25 GMT -5
I think she's a bad choice for the face of the women's division. At the end of the day she's not very dynamic or interesting.
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Dec 14, 2017 12:48:23 GMT -5
Alexa is a great talent and by all means I should like her. But... I'm trying to figure out how to word this: It feels rare that talent exits a feud with her in better shape than they entered. Her pushes are nearly 100% at the expense of whomever she's wrestling. I feel like I’d exit her in better shape than I entered. Ha-hey! I’m here all week folks!
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 14, 2017 12:56:09 GMT -5
I'm just going to be real. Straight up, ever since Alexa won the Raw title I can't stand watching her. Whether she's cutting a promo, whether she's in a backstage segment, whether she's wrestling, I can't deal with it. The issue is that she's essentially the Roman Reigns of the Women's Division except she's a heel. She makes those she works with look bad and she stalls the angles she's in. Nobody thought Mickie would win those other 394 times they've wrestled, nobody thought Sasha would get her belt back, hell the reason Bayley's the way she is today is because that horrible Alexa feud. Fact is Alexa is booked horribly. I don't care how realistic her character is if I hate seeing her on tv. She's one of the reasons why I don't watch full programs anymore. Bingo. She's murdered the credibility of almost the entire face side of the Raw women's roster. She can cut a good promo, the problem is that said promo consists of her dismissing everyone she faces....which is followed up by her winning in convincing fashion. It helps nobody, not even her if we're being realistic. She won again? Awesome. She beat someone that she said was terrible. Everyone she faces is garbage, so she's the champion of a shitty division. Yippie! This company will hopefully someday figure out how to book a heel woman without making her a dominant mean girl
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 14, 2017 13:06:35 GMT -5
I'm just going to be real. Straight up, ever since Alexa won the Raw title I can't stand watching her. Whether she's cutting a promo, whether she's in a backstage segment, whether she's wrestling, I can't deal with it. The issue is that she's essentially the Roman Reigns of the Women's Division except she's a heel. She makes those she works with look bad and she stalls the angles she's in. Nobody thought Mickie would win those other 394 times they've wrestled, nobody thought Sasha would get her belt back, hell the reason Bayley's the way she is today is because that horrible Alexa feud. Fact is Alexa is booked horribly. I don't care how realistic her character is if I hate seeing her on tv. She's one of the reasons why I don't watch full programs anymore. Bingo. She's murdered the credibility of almost the entire face side of the Raw women's roster. She can cut a good promo, the problem is that said promo consists of her dismissing everyone she faces....which is followed up by her winning in convincing fashion. It helps nobody, not even her if we're being realistic. She won again? Awesome. She beat someone that she said was terrible. Everyone she faces is garbage, so she's the champion of a shitty division. Yippie! This company will hopefully someday figure out how to book a heel woman without making her a dominant mean girl I think this is a problem in general. Smug dismissiveness is seen as the go-to verbal weapon of choice by a LOT of people now, so everybody that's trying not to sound not only like they're a good trash-talker, but also with the current times, they're going to be smug, snide, snarky, and dismissive. The problem is, with every win, they're proven right to be so snide and smug, which yes, RAPIDLY destroys the credibility of whoever they beat.
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Post by schma on Dec 14, 2017 13:48:33 GMT -5
She's definitely sitting on the back burner on Raw right now despite holding the belt. They foolishly debuted Asuka and THEN debuted Absolution and neither of them can go straight to the title so now Alexa has nothing to do. Especially since they didn't fix the reason why they moved Alexa to Raw. Which was that the two main faces were made to look like chumps thanks to Charlotte's booking. So they moved a new top heel so they could build them back up... but then didn't. I like her but I do have a couple issues. One is that she needs to learn to wrestle various styles, it was jarring watching Survivor Series where Charlotte was towering over her and had to play the face in peril for almost the entire match. Part of that was also on the WWE's way of face wrestling which is NEVER SELL ANYTHING. the story was built of Alexa messing up Charlotte's arm with a few early cheap shots with the ring ropes and apron... which let her start working over her ribs since she could only use one arm to defend herself. But... again since the WWE tell their faces never to sell the story of the match gets lost and doesn't make any real sense. That makes sense but at the same time, Charlotte should have been able to comeback a lot earlier, or even use her legs some more. Charlotte on her knees was roughly the height of Alexa at full standing. So while I got that there had been some cheap shots it just seemed strange that the woman who had spent over a year dominating everyone would suddenly be unable to muster any offence, especially with the size differentials. Part of it was just the image of how easy it looked for Alexa to manhandle Charlotte in positions that Charlotte should have had zero trouble getting out of even after the cheap shots. Edited to add: I think I would have liked that match a lot more if Charlotte had gotten some decent offence in before the cheap shots and peril.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 14:14:19 GMT -5
Let's just be real here. She's very attractive.
As far as her booking goes, I can't speak on it. I do watch the ppvs but I don't watch Raw because I don't like to torture myself.
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 14, 2017 14:34:35 GMT -5
Alexa Bliss' title reign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why is she so popular?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 14, 2017 14:41:06 GMT -5
Well, she's the strongest. That's why one of her punches can knock somebody out cold.
She's Son Goku in a sea of Krillens
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