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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 14, 2017 14:41:24 GMT -5
I'm just going to be real. Straight up, ever since Alexa won the Raw title I can't stand watching her. Whether she's cutting a promo, whether she's in a backstage segment, whether she's wrestling, I can't deal with it. The issue is that she's essentially the Roman Reigns of the Women's Division except she's a heel. She makes those she works with look bad and she stalls the angles she's in. Nobody thought Mickie would win those other 394 times they've wrestled, nobody thought Sasha would get her belt back, hell the reason Bayley's the way she is today is because that horrible Alexa feud. Fact is Alexa is booked horribly. I don't care how realistic her character is if I hate seeing her on tv. She's one of the reasons why I don't watch full programs anymore. *daps kn up* My dude.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 15:01:15 GMT -5
I'm just going to be real. Straight up, ever since Alexa won the Raw title I can't stand watching her. Whether she's cutting a promo, whether she's in a backstage segment, whether she's wrestling, I can't deal with it. The issue is that she's essentially the Roman Reigns of the Women's Division except she's a heel. She makes those she works with look bad and she stalls the angles she's in. Nobody thought Mickie would win those other 394 times they've wrestled, nobody thought Sasha would get her belt back, hell the reason Bayley's the way she is today is because that horrible Alexa feud. Fact is Alexa is booked horribly. I don't care how realistic her character is if I hate seeing her on tv. She's one of the reasons why I don't watch full programs anymore. Bingo. She's murdered the credibility of almost the entire face side of the Raw women's roster. She can cut a good promo, the problem is that said promo consists of her dismissing everyone she faces....which is followed up by her winning in convincing fashion. It helps nobody, not even her if we're being realistic. She won again? Awesome. She beat someone that she said was terrible. Everyone she faces is garbage, so she's the champion of a shitty division. Yippie! This company will hopefully someday figure out how to book a heel woman without making her a dominant mean girl This is the exact same argument I make whenever the “Pipebombshell” promo gets brought up and praised. It’s crazy how many similarities there are between AJ Lee’s run and Alexa’s. Both are good talkers, similar stature, both have pretty much run through the entire women’s division, and a near identical fan response. The biggest difference for me is that AJ was better in the ring (or at least looked better when compared to what she was working against at the time), and AJ actually played the small heel role and had to have backup most of the time to win. WWE has relied waaaaaaaay too hard on having heels control the women’s division since Trish retired. What are the most memorable/longest women’s title reigns? AJ, Alexa, Charlotte, Nikki Bella, Laycool, etc.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 14, 2017 15:04:02 GMT -5
I mean, it's "acting ability," right? The answer to the question is that she's a good actor.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 15:30:36 GMT -5
I have nothing bad to say about her as a performer, she plays the part and has decent enough delivery, but her booking is just frustrating. Leave it to the WWE to make me not have any interest in watching a hot chick.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Dec 14, 2017 15:33:30 GMT -5
How and why is Bliss so awesome? She’s attractive. She’s a solid promo. She’s a decent in ring worker. She does the bitch face gimmick extremely well so she’s over as a heel. She understands the wrestling business and it shows. She ticks all the boxes when it comes to all the things a character needs to get over and be a star. I can’t blame her when it comes to her booking. WWE runs everything that gets over for them into the ground.
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Post by sunnytaker on Dec 14, 2017 16:04:49 GMT -5
I agree with 1watcher pretty much completely.
her biggest handicap is the booking where they make her out to be a mini-steph, as far as taking shots at other people "bayley's too nice to be extreme, sasha can't defend a title and mickie's too old" and them being unable to (as faces should) give her her comeuppance, which makes things worse since unlike steh she is actually in the ring with them for them to be able to do so. Alexa beats bayley in the extreme rules match, sasha loses again on her first title defense and mickie loses multiple times to "prove" she's too old- so alexa was right the whole time it would seem.
it also hurts that it seems they've decided to drag out the title run until asuka finally takes it from her, though now with paige back it could be her as well to set up paige/asuka like they've been teasing, because there wasn't anyone else left for her to feud with. so now she's stuck doing odd things off to the side of the main storylines because they've written the women's division into the ground and have to reboot things with absolution and asuka now.
I think she's reached the "doesn't need the title to remain relevant" point except for the fact raw doesn't normally do much with anyone other than the title holder and the #1 contender- recent weeks being the exception rather than the rule. also a face turn might work after she loses the belt, as she has been getting cheers fairly regularly and can only fight bayley/sasha/mickie so many times now. and with a new heel faction, the division seems a bit weighted to the heel side now.
anyway I've rambled enough now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 20:09:38 GMT -5
I like Alexa but I feel she’s regressed a lot since coming over to raw as she’s become pretty much a 1 note character as they’ve stripped away the stuff that made her interesting and unique and all that’s left is a tiny pretty woman that’s booked like Triple H 02/03 era.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 14, 2017 20:36:54 GMT -5
Alexa Bliss' title reign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why is she so popular? She's got Roman's booking but doesn't get the same heat because she's hot.
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 14, 2017 20:53:04 GMT -5
The booking on SDLive was superior for Alexa compared to her time on RAW. I believe the post history in this very thread point specifically to Alexa's bad RAW booking, but the Smackdown side "got" her in terms of how she could shine other opponents as the Top Heel.
On RAW, it's less believable for Alexa to dominate the likes of Bayley, Sasha (NXT Champions, Bliss never quite got there thou she was a contender) NIA JAX (still don't know how Jax recovered from not wearing the strap after that feud), former multi-Women's champ Mickie James, hell even Alicia Fox has the credentials on paper to match Alexa's credibility. On Smackdown the Land of Opportunity winning against the Carmellas and even Becky Lynches (via cheating of course) was much more believable. It gave Becky her unspoken claims to the title that she still holds onto today, and it sparks up every other match on SDlive for the title because it's believable that Bliss could lose at any time. On RAW... not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 20:58:53 GMT -5
Alexa Bliss' title reign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why is she so popular? She's got Roman's booking but doesn't get the same heat because she's hot. I’d say Roman’s very warm bordering on hot.
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Post by schma on Dec 15, 2017 0:32:25 GMT -5
Bingo. She's murdered the credibility of almost the entire face side of the Raw women's roster. She can cut a good promo, the problem is that said promo consists of her dismissing everyone she faces....which is followed up by her winning in convincing fashion. It helps nobody, not even her if we're being realistic. She won again? Awesome. She beat someone that she said was terrible. Everyone she faces is garbage, so she's the champion of a shitty division. Yippie! This company will hopefully someday figure out how to book a heel woman without making her a dominant mean girl This is the exact same argument I make whenever the “Pipebombshell” promo gets brought up and praised. It’s crazy how many similarities there are between AJ Lee’s run and Alexa’s. Both are good talkers, similar stature, both have pretty much run through the entire women’s division, and a near identical fan response. The biggest difference for me is that AJ was better in the ring (or at least looked better when compared to what she was working against at the time), and AJ actually played the small heel role and had to have backup most of the time to win. WWE has relied waaaaaaaay too hard on having heels control the women’s division since Trish retired. What are the most memorable/longest women’s title reigns? AJ, Alexa, Charlotte, Nikki Bella, Laycool, etc. So, you're saying it's all HHH's fault?
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Dec 15, 2017 1:54:18 GMT -5
Am I alone in thinking she is a massively overrated promo? What makes a good promo, someone being able to competently deliver lines or someone making you the viewer interested in seeing what happens next with them? If it's the former then, sure, she doesn't embarrass herself out there*. If it's the latter then nah, she doesn't cut good promos, I'm sorry.
*generously excepting the all-time terrible Bayley This is Your Life segment, which embarrassed everybody.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 15, 2017 2:01:38 GMT -5
Am I alone in thinking she is a massively overrated promo? What makes a good promo, someone being able to competently deliver lines or someone making you the viewer interested in seeing what happens next with them? If it's the former then, sure, she doesn't embarrass herself out there*. If it's the latter then nah, she doesn't cut good promos, I'm sorry. *generously excepting the all-time terrible Bayley This is Your Life segment, which embarrassed everybody. I put her in the "good at cutting promos, but the promos are mosty garbage" category.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 15, 2017 4:59:13 GMT -5
Am I alone in thinking she is a massively overrated promo? What makes a good promo, someone being able to competently deliver lines or someone making you the viewer interested in seeing what happens next with them? If it's the former then, sure, she doesn't embarrass herself out there*. If it's the latter then nah, she doesn't cut good promos, I'm sorry. *generously excepting the all-time terrible Bayley This is Your Life segment, which embarrassed everybody. I think if you compare her mic work to the majority of the women in WWE history, even those since the women's revolution thing, she's still actually pretty high up there, which is more an indictment of the mic work of WWE's female talents than it is praise of Alexa. Alexa at least doesn't usually sound like she's scripted even though she almost certainly is scripted to the letter every week.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Dec 15, 2017 6:37:00 GMT -5
Am I alone in thinking she is a massively overrated promo? What makes a good promo, someone being able to competently deliver lines or someone making you the viewer interested in seeing what happens next with them? If it's the former then, sure, she doesn't embarrass herself out there*. If it's the latter then nah, she doesn't cut good promos, I'm sorry. *generously excepting the all-time terrible Bayley This is Your Life segment, which embarrassed everybody. She’s kind of like 2010 Miz in that he stood out because his contemporaries were terrible promos, but he was still mediocre. Alexa is that to a T. The rest of the women are pretty bad promos, so Alexa stands out cuz she’s better than “pretty bad.” Hopefully she continues to follow Miz’ lead and eventually stands out because she’s an amazing promo amongst great promos.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 15, 2017 7:47:47 GMT -5
Am I alone in thinking she is a massively overrated promo? What makes a good promo, someone being able to competently deliver lines or someone making you the viewer interested in seeing what happens next with them? If it's the former then, sure, she doesn't embarrass herself out there*. If it's the latter then nah, she doesn't cut good promos, I'm sorry. *generously excepting the all-time terrible Bayley This is Your Life segment, which embarrassed everybody. Compared to Bayley, Sasha and Charlotte, whose promos are hit or miss and 8 times out of 10 they’re usually awful, she’s better than them. I think that’s what people kinda like about her and to a lesser extent Carmella, who I feel is just as good as Alexa right now. Everyone’s all for women who can wrestle, but if their promos are shitty and can’t get across the storyline to the audience, all the 5 star matches don’t mean shit. So while the two are lesser wrestlers than The Horsewomen, besides Becky none of them have been able to really connect on promos.
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Dec 15, 2017 12:23:59 GMT -5
It's no surprise that, after being a gymnast, cheerleader, fitness model, etc. that she has a healthy presence in wrestling.
In her interview on The Network, she did she just draws from her experiences with mean girls from her past.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 15, 2017 12:56:32 GMT -5
She's great at character work. Promos, mannerisms, facial expressions, everything. She nails it. My only issue with her is the way she's booked. I'm okay with a strong champion, but every girl she's had a program with, except Mickie, has come out looking worse after (Becky, Bayley and Sasha).
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 15, 2017 13:13:31 GMT -5
Bingo. She's murdered the credibility of almost the entire face side of the Raw women's roster. She can cut a good promo, the problem is that said promo consists of her dismissing everyone she faces....which is followed up by her winning in convincing fashion. It helps nobody, not even her if we're being realistic. She won again? Awesome. She beat someone that she said was terrible. Everyone she faces is garbage, so she's the champion of a shitty division. Yippie! This company will hopefully someday figure out how to book a heel woman without making her a dominant mean girl This is the exact same argument I make whenever the “Pipebombshell” promo gets brought up and praised. It’s crazy how many similarities there are between AJ Lee’s run and Alexa’s. Both are good talkers, similar stature, both have pretty much run through the entire women’s division, and a near identical fan response. The biggest difference for me is that AJ was better in the ring (or at least looked better when compared to what she was working against at the time), and AJ actually played the small heel role and had to have backup most of the time to win. WWE has relied waaaaaaaay too hard on having heels control the women’s division since Trish retired. What are the most memorable/longest women’s title reigns? AJ, Alexa, Charlotte, Nikki Bella, Laycool, etc. The "Pipebombshell" was stupid as f***. "This division is full of girls who have zero talent and just wanna be reality TV stars. I rule the Diva's division!" Awesome, you rule the roost in a division that you *just* said was terrible.
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Post by tenshi on Dec 15, 2017 13:23:41 GMT -5
A problem with Alexa is her presentation. She's around 5' tall (if not shorter) but she undermines her opposition, the content of her promos can get repetitive despite her delivery being good and, most importantly, she tends to dominate her opponents whenever she's in the ring. For all intents and purposes, Alexa is a mean cheerleader kind of woman but, before Absolution showed up, she ran through every threat thrown in her way with only having Asuka and Nia left and even her on-screen relationship with Nia is lukewarm. It has come a point when Alexa beating anyone in front of her is expected because that's what she does. She undermines her opponent and then is proven right by beating them clean.
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