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Post by xCompackx on Mar 6, 2018 11:28:38 GMT -5
To me, if there's a list of guys who are known to do this kind of thing at ESPN, my question is, how many times has this happened to where Coach's name would be on such a list?
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Mar 6, 2018 11:35:31 GMT -5
I'm surprised there hasn't been any Jericho-esque jokes about Coach having just made the list yet.
Um, as for the topic at hand I will need to read up and do some more research before fully chiming in.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Mar 6, 2018 11:41:56 GMT -5
Everyone bringing up the, "He only asked about instruments!" thing seems to be ignoring this part - Every one of these threads always has to have a gross comment diminishing the accusations. And on the other side every thread has to have knee-jerk reactions assuming that an individual is guilty without any form of investigation.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Mar 6, 2018 11:42:18 GMT -5
Vince defends sexual predators?
Not a surprise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 12:03:29 GMT -5
Everyone bringing up the, "He only asked about instruments!" thing seems to be ignoring this part - Every one of these threads always has to have a gross comment diminishing the accusations. I actually think it’s equally scary how people presume guilt without any evidence at all. Actually, it’s more scary. It’s easier to prove Coach is a perv (ex. text messages, emails, witnesses, etc) than it will be for him to get his reputation back if he is being falsely accused. It’s also scary how asking for proof is considered victim blaming or shaming or whatever word you want to use. There still has to be some type of evidence, otherwise it’s all hearsay. If Coach did harrass women then I hope it comes to light but at least wait for the smoking gun.
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Post by crowley1986 on Mar 6, 2018 14:32:03 GMT -5
Every one of these threads always has to have a gross comment diminishing the accusations. I actually think it’s equally scary how people presume guilt without any evidence at all. Actually, it’s more scary. It’s easier to prove Coach is a perv (ex. text messages, emails, witnesses, etc) than it will be for him to get his reputation back if he is being falsely accused. It’s also scary how asking for proof is considered victim blaming or shaming or whatever word you want to use. There still has to be some type of evidence, otherwise it’s all hearsay. If Coach did harrass women then I hope it comes to light but at least wait for the smoking gun. it seems now your Guilty until proven innocent
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Mar 6, 2018 14:42:09 GMT -5
So all he did was ask her what her musical interests were? And then she mentioned she had a boyfriend in case he was hitting on her, which he did. And she's mad he stopped talking to her? Sorry, not sexual harassment at all, if he continued after she said she had a boyfriend sure, but all he did was ask what her musical interests were and she wanted him to stop, so she mentioned she had a bf and he did, so she's somehow upset that he even dared asked her musical interests? Even if its from the "Old espn playbook" he still never got to the point of anything sexual (And good for her for nipping it in the bud before it even got to that point, but regardless he still played it safe by not continuing getting to know her) He did so under the auspices of eventually trying to hook up with her. That's sexual harassment.
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Mar 6, 2018 14:53:29 GMT -5
Again, asking a woman more personal questions and information after offering to be her mentor, is, in fact, sexual harassment. The end game there is to put the victim in an awkward position of obligation.
That being said, for Coach to come out so vehemently and publicly about it without his lawyer or the legal team of Otunga and McDevitt to bless him, that speaks volumes. If he gets disproved in court, he will look like the biggest fool and get future-endeavored immediately.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 6, 2018 15:12:23 GMT -5
In general, issuing a denial has to be a tricky thing with situations like this. You have to deny the allegations as literally any other option makes you look guilty, but denying it also invites efforts to prove you're lying.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 15:29:10 GMT -5
In general, issuing a denial has to be a tricky thing with situations like this. You have to deny the allegations as literally any other option makes you look guilty, but denying it also invites efforts to prove you're lying. It's really gotta suck to get wrapped up in something like this if you did nothing wrong. Who knows here, but you're definitely right, once you're in that arena it's pretty tough to not look guilty, regardless of what the truth is. All I know is Booker T wouldn't get in a situation like this. He only has fun fights.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 6, 2018 15:30:30 GMT -5
Get rid of Coach, add Charly to the announce team.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 6, 2018 16:13:46 GMT -5
Coach's response to the reports. Hi, young woman from an office work place here to give Coach a PR lesson: No matter how innocent you are, attacking the accuser just makes you look like an asshole. "I categorically deny all allegations against me and will defend myself against them in court if it comes to it" is fine. Freaking Enzo was better at this. Enzo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 16:16:51 GMT -5
this dude talks about himself in the third person, nothing shocks me about him
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 6, 2018 16:42:48 GMT -5
This whole thing seems kind of sketchy so I will wait for more details to come out but under zero tolerance you would have to suspend Coach until this matter clears itself up
Their was the story yesterday with Berman supposedly leaving a racist voicemail to Jemele Hill which she shot down very fast. WWE will probably tell coach to stay at home until the matter is resolved but yeah the info so far is all over the place
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Post by Cyno on Mar 6, 2018 17:07:56 GMT -5
I'm really not sure about this because Lawrence is far from the first woman to make allegations against ESPN for having a sort of frat house mentality towards their female coworkers and management treating women like shit, including some outright disgusting stories like Sara Walsh basically being obligated to stay on the set of SportsCenter during a miscarriage. She was actually live on air during said miscarriage. They also let her go just as she was set to return from maternity leave.
That said, what Lawrence said about Jemele Hill and Chris Berman turned out to be completely bogus, and Jemele Hill is someone I'd trust to be outspoken about this sorta thing if it really did happen.
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Post by lookout on Mar 6, 2018 17:08:05 GMT -5
Coach's response to the reports. Hi, young woman from an office work place here to give Coach a PR lesson: No matter how innocent you are, attacking the accuser just makes you look like an asshole. "I categorically deny all allegations against me and will defend myself against them in court if it comes to it" is fine. Freaking Enzo was better at this. Enzo. So if a person is innocent and a woman is lying about him and accusing him of something which could totally ruin his life, he looks like an asshole if makes a non lawyered up response? Um no...not to me and I would wager not to most people. In fact, giving such a tame and predictable response gives the impression that maybe there is something to it to me because I know if someone falsely accused me of something I'd be livid too.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 6, 2018 17:13:09 GMT -5
Though I will say this, if this is true, I can see why Coach went back to WWE. After all, this is a company that for the longest time had commentators openly perving on women valets, managers, and wrestlers.
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Post by nisidhe on Mar 6, 2018 17:28:44 GMT -5
So if a person is innocent and a woman is lying about him and accusing him of something which could totally ruin his life, he looks like an asshole if makes a non lawyered up response? Yes. A lawyered-up, "official" response is the absolute best way not to come across as an asshole in a case like this. It admits no fault, yet is tactful enough to appear at least a reasonable human being who can demonstrate restraint and self-control, especially in a case of being accused of lacking said restraint and self-control. You may have the right to be livid, but you also have to acknowledge when an outburst like Coach's might not be a good look for you. Any accused in such a case needs to keep his head down and his mouth shut until it's sorted out. Let the lawyers do their jobs.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 6, 2018 17:36:29 GMT -5
Hi, young woman from an office work place here to give Coach a PR lesson: No matter how innocent you are, attacking the accuser just makes you look like an asshole. "I categorically deny all allegations against me and will defend myself against them in court if it comes to it" is fine. Freaking Enzo was better at this. Enzo. So if a person is innocent and a woman is lying about him and accusing him of something which could totally ruin his life, he looks like an asshole if makes a non lawyered up response? Um no...not to me and I would wager not to most people. In fact, giving such a tame and predictable response gives the impression that maybe there is something to it to me because I know if someone falsely accused me of something I'd be livid too. Well... Yeah, it does. PR is the only reason anyone publicly denies anything in the first place so attacking the accuser, even if Coach knows 100% that he's innocent, makes him look like a jackass. Nobody's saying he can't be mad privately.
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Post by KofiMania on Mar 6, 2018 17:50:14 GMT -5
So if a person is innocent and a woman is lying about him and accusing him of something which could totally ruin his life, he looks like an asshole if makes a non lawyered up response? Yes. A lawyered-up, "official" response is the absolute best way not to come across as an asshole in a case like this. It admits no fault, yet is tactful enough to appear at least a reasonable human being who can demonstrate restraint and self-control, especially in a case of being accused of lacking said restraint and self-control. You may have the right to be livid, but you also have to acknowledge when an outburst like Coach's might not be a good look for you. Any accused in such a case needs to keep his head down and his mouth shut until it's sorted out. Let the lawyers do their jobs. Coach isn't being sued, he's not a defendant here. He's not being represented by a lawyer.
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