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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 1, 2018 9:49:54 GMT -5
Corny is one of the greatest wrestling managers of all time. He's got a great knowledge and understand of the business's history, and fundamental elements that make the art of wrestling work.
He's also far too close-minded on a lot of issues pertaining to modern wrestling styles and why today's audiences enjoy it, and can be a rather toxic and needlessly off-putting person. Cornette creates a lot of problems for himself that could be avoided if he chose to act like an adult. If that's his "gimmick", then it's not a good gimmick for him to keep using.
Though I still have a higher opinion of Jim than I do his arch-nemesis Russo, who is also close-minded on too many things for my tastes. Just on a different spectrum.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on May 1, 2018 10:34:20 GMT -5
Even if I don't agree with him 100% of the time, I'll give him a listen if for no other than I'm curious to hear his opinion on a given subject. And the guy has great road stories for days.
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Post by Sephiroth on May 1, 2018 10:58:54 GMT -5
Jim Cornette is the greatest living manager in wrestling history. Sadly, the rest are gone. We’re so lucky to have him on podcasts every week. The guy rarely goes over the same stories like some podcasts tend to do. He knows his stuff, even if he can’t relate much to today’s wrestling scene. He’s wildly entertaining. He knows that so he definitely pushes the boundaries at times. Sometimes he’s real. Sometimes he gimmicks things up. We’re not supposed to be able to differentiate between the two and I like that. That’s old school wrestling for you. Haha. He’s definitely got anger issues and he hasn’t always had the best diet so I’m thankful he’s doing well. I think he’s also a happy person. I’ve met him several times and he’s always been an easy going nice guy. He’ll get loud at times but that’s part of his act. People expect him to. He knows how to command a room. Cornette speaks up and people watch and listen. He’s also a guy that has a low bs tolerance. He wants things on his terms. I can respect that. He’s old enough and has enough money to where he can make those kinds of demands. If people aren’t happy with that he’s made it crystal clear numerous times that he’s happy to stay home. He’s very much in demand because there aren’t a lot of great wrestling personalities left these days. People that want him will do what it takes to get him out to their shows. I can’t knock him for being able to set up his own deals. We should all be so lucky. Uh, Jimmy Hart?
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Post by efarns on May 1, 2018 15:40:04 GMT -5
I think Jim is incredibly smart and quick-witted. I think he is an absolute treasure trove of wrestling history and old-school booking psychology. I think that Jim Cornette could be useful today in a multi-booker scenario, because he would have the ability to offer an old-school perspective that could maybe be freshened up and modernized by a younger mind. I also think that Jim Cornette is an acerbic asshole at his worst, and while I tend to agree with him politically, he's so cantankerous and hateful in his arguments that he embarrasses those of us in that spectrum that try to build bridges instead of burning them. Do you think he is actually employable? At this point, the only way I see it being possible would be him working over the phone.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on May 1, 2018 15:57:44 GMT -5
I think Jim is incredibly smart and quick-witted. I think he is an absolute treasure trove of wrestling history and old-school booking psychology. I think that Jim Cornette could be useful today in a multi-booker scenario, because he would have the ability to offer an old-school perspective that could maybe be freshened up and modernized by a younger mind. I also think that Jim Cornette is an acerbic asshole at his worst, and while I tend to agree with him politically, he's so cantankerous and hateful in his arguments that he embarrasses those of us in that spectrum that try to build bridges instead of burning them. Do you think he is actually employable? At this point, the only way I see it being possible would be him working over the phone. It doesn’t matter. He is at the point where he sets his own schedule and can do whatever he wants. Like 1watcher said above, we should all be as lucky as Jim Cornette.
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Post by Nickybojelais on May 1, 2018 16:44:19 GMT -5
I love the guy and listen to his podcasts every week. I don't agree with everything he says wrestling wise, but I learn so much wrestling history from him (especially on his drive-thru podcast).
Also I think I listen to his eviscerations of Russo on youtube at least once a month. In conclusion, I'm happy to be a member of the Cult of Cornette.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 1, 2018 16:53:23 GMT -5
Honestly if its any wrestling event prior to 2005, I love hearing Cornette talk about it, especially his territory stories.
Anything after doesn't really hold my interest that much. TNA and ROH rants get pretty old after a while.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on May 1, 2018 17:28:04 GMT -5
I heard he died of a heart attack after Braun and Nicholas won the tag titles
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 17:58:00 GMT -5
I think Jim is incredibly smart and quick-witted. I think he is an absolute treasure trove of wrestling history and old-school booking psychology. I think that Jim Cornette could be useful today in a multi-booker scenario, because he would have the ability to offer an old-school perspective that could maybe be freshened up and modernized by a younger mind. I also think that Jim Cornette is an acerbic asshole at his worst, and while I tend to agree with him politically, he's so cantankerous and hateful in his arguments that he embarrasses those of us in that spectrum that try to build bridges instead of burning them. Do you think he is actually employable? At this point, the only way I see it being possible would be him working over the phone. I see Cornette in more of a "consultant" role, more than a full time basis. I wouldn't want to see him running NXT or anything of the sort, but Jim is excellent at identifying problems. He can't solve them, but he's good at pointing out inconsistencies. Maybe make a show where he narrates some old territory stories. That's all up to Jim Cornette and the WWE, though.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 1, 2018 18:17:00 GMT -5
Jim Cornette is the greatest living manager in wrestling history. Sadly, the rest are gone. We’re so lucky to have him on podcasts every week. The guy rarely goes over the same stories like some podcasts tend to do. He knows his stuff, even if he can’t relate much to today’s wrestling scene. He’s wildly entertaining. He knows that so he definitely pushes the boundaries at times. Sometimes he’s real. Sometimes he gimmicks things up. We’re not supposed to be able to differentiate between the two and I like that. That’s old school wrestling for you. Haha. He’s definitely got anger issues and he hasn’t always had the best diet so I’m thankful he’s doing well. I think he’s also a happy person. I’ve met him several times and he’s always been an easy going nice guy. He’ll get loud at times but that’s part of his act. People expect him to. He knows how to command a room. Cornette speaks up and people watch and listen. He’s also a guy that has a low bs tolerance. He wants things on his terms. I can respect that. He’s old enough and has enough money to where he can make those kinds of demands. If people aren’t happy with that he’s made it crystal clear numerous times that he’s happy to stay home. He’s very much in demand because there aren’t a lot of great wrestling personalities left these days. People that want him will do what it takes to get him out to their shows. I can’t knock him for being able to set up his own deals. We should all be so lucky. Uh, Jimmy Hart? He’s great, but seriously?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 1, 2018 18:27:14 GMT -5
Jim Cornette is the greatest living manager in wrestling history. Sadly, the rest are gone. We’re so lucky to have him on podcasts every week. The guy rarely goes over the same stories like some podcasts tend to do. He knows his stuff, even if he can’t relate much to today’s wrestling scene. He’s wildly entertaining. He knows that so he definitely pushes the boundaries at times. Sometimes he’s real. Sometimes he gimmicks things up. We’re not supposed to be able to differentiate between the two and I like that. That’s old school wrestling for you. Haha. He’s definitely got anger issues and he hasn’t always had the best diet so I’m thankful he’s doing well. I think he’s also a happy person. I’ve met him several times and he’s always been an easy going nice guy. He’ll get loud at times but that’s part of his act. People expect him to. He knows how to command a room. Cornette speaks up and people watch and listen. He’s also a guy that has a low bs tolerance. He wants things on his terms. I can respect that. He’s old enough and has enough money to where he can make those kinds of demands. If people aren’t happy with that he’s made it crystal clear numerous times that he’s happy to stay home. He’s very much in demand because there aren’t a lot of great wrestling personalities left these days. People that want him will do what it takes to get him out to their shows. I can’t knock him for being able to set up his own deals. We should all be so lucky. Uh, Jimmy Hart? I disagree. Jimmy Hart was great in Memphis but after that he'll be forever known as Hulk Hogan's weed carrier.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 1, 2018 18:31:05 GMT -5
Do you think he is actually employable? At this point, the only way I see it being possible would be him working over the phone. I see Cornette in more of a "consultant" role, more than a full time basis. I wouldn't want to see him running NXT or anything of the sort, but Jim is excellent at identifying problems. He can't solve them, but he's good at pointing out inconsistencies. Maybe make a show where he narrates some old territory stories. That's all up to Jim Cornette and the WWE, though. There was a show I think in discovery or something, that followed three Indy guys, Zema Ion was one of them, and they were trying out for ROH. In it you saw just how great Corny is at helping young guys cut promos. Jim is the perfect agent and can help you come up with creative shit to say in promos, unfortunately he's not a good booker. He's a great coordinator but an awful head coach.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 18:39:00 GMT -5
I see Cornette in more of a "consultant" role, more than a full time basis. I wouldn't want to see him running NXT or anything of the sort, but Jim is excellent at identifying problems. He can't solve them, but he's good at pointing out inconsistencies. Maybe make a show where he narrates some old territory stories. That's all up to Jim Cornette and the WWE, though. There was a show I think in discovery or something, that followed three Indy guys, Zema Ion was one of them, and they were trying out for ROH. In it you saw just how great Corny is at helping young guys cut promos. Jim is the perfect agent and can help you come up with creative shit to say in promos, unfortunately he's not a good booker. He's a great coordinator but an awful head coach. I can't stand Russo, but hear me out... Weren't Cornette and Russo basically running creative around 97/98/99 when the WWE really got hot and finally overtook WCW? It makes you wonder if Cornette and Russo aren't the ultimate booking team if they didn't hate each other so damned much lol
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 1, 2018 18:42:34 GMT -5
He is very much a gimmick. You can tell because he'll badmouth whoever isn't paying him but whoever is is the greatest wrestling on the planet. He's obviously a treasure trove of wrestling history, but I'll pass on his whole "Wrestling never needed to get better than it was in 1983" mentality. 1983? that seems a bit late for Corny... but yeah him and Russo have similar problems they are completly in tune with a specific moment of time... the problem is that wrestling and teh zeitgeist of the culture are at minimum 20 years past them. Also it's hard to take his "IF YOU EVER DID ANYTHING OTHER THAN SUPER SERIOUS WRESTLING IN THE RING YOU SHOULD BE BLACKBALLED FROM HISTORY!" when dude was all over the cartoon show that was Memphis Wrestling.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 1, 2018 18:51:23 GMT -5
Do you think he is actually employable? At this point, the only way I see it being possible would be him working over the phone. I see Cornette in more of a "consultant" role, more than a full time basis. I wouldn't want to see him running NXT or anything of the sort, but Jim is excellent at identifying problems. He can't solve them, but he's good at pointing out inconsistencies. Finding Flaws is easy, hell RUSSO has pointed out flaws in the past. it's fixing them that's hard. I'm sure there are people in the WWE that see the flaws in their programming but can't do anything about it.
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Post by lildude8218 on May 1, 2018 19:47:36 GMT -5
I heard he died of a heart attack after Braun and Nicholas won the tag titles That depends. Have the effects of the last check he got from WWE worn off? If so then he'd probably be pissed, otherwise it was a great idea.
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Post by Milkman Norm on May 1, 2018 20:51:14 GMT -5
I'm a big fan. I agree with him about 80-90% of the time on sociopolitical issues and 80-90% of the time on wrestling issues. I love his podcasts.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on May 1, 2018 22:09:42 GMT -5
I put him in the same category as Meltzer; as a historian, he's great; could listen to him for days. However, personality wise, they're pretty lousy; their opinions are too rigid, and their supporters to unflinching.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 10:23:24 GMT -5
I like him. I love his stories, historical knowledge. I enjoy his books. Heck, he sent me an autographed photo in 1999 when all I did was send him a letter telling him "despite what the WWF thinks of him I was still a fan of his".
The guy could use a month-long vacation away from the news, from social media. Just relax and kick back. He's becoming a parody of himself with the quick trigger.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on May 12, 2018 10:39:28 GMT -5
If I had a wrestling promotion with a good financial backing, I would hire both Cornette and Russo as consultants.
Anything that the bookers write up would be sent to both.
Anything Cornette liked we'd go with it.
Anything Russo liked would be torn up and the writer would have to sit in the corner and think about what he'd done.
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