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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 13, 2018 14:47:19 GMT -5
He doesn't just "not like" popular things, he screams about how they should be beaten and shot and run out of the wrestling business. I don't think people would be nearly as put off by his opinions if he didn't deliver them with all of the grace and subtlety of someone who spends every second at a red light revving his motorcycle up just so you know he's there. Watching Bill Hicks and Lewis Black probably triggers your delicate sensibilities. It's true every time Lewis Black says the "f***" word I cry. It's almost as bad as smarmy, condescending internet comments. Those just shut me right down
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 13, 2018 15:12:36 GMT -5
Corny is often the physical embodiment of 'good point, expressed in the worst possible way'. Most of what he says makes sense when he expresses it in a calm, reasoned, way, but he seldom does that, he's so prone to just flying off the handle, any point he makes is lost in a sea of ranting.
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Post by J. Hova on May 13, 2018 15:18:03 GMT -5
I love me some James E. I share most of his views on wrestling and think he would be an asset to provide another point of view in booking by committee in any wrestling company. Politically he leans more left than me, but it can be downright hilarious when he is having a meltdown over the NRA, GOP, etc.
I've also found myself using some of his quotes in my life lately, namely the 'flatter than a plate full of piss' line. That is pure gold.
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Post by FinalGwen on May 13, 2018 15:18:59 GMT -5
I love Jim Cornette and could listen to him talk for hours. The man is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to wrestling. His biggest "sin" in the wrestling community is not being a fan of certain guys that are popular on the Internet. I'm not remotely saying all wrestling fans are like this, but a large number are grown children who get real-life deeply offended if you don't like every single wrestler or hold every belief about wrestling that they do. If you think I'm being hyperbolic, let me invite you to check out twitter.com. Unfortunately I've never had a chance to meet him, but I have been in shouting distance of him twice and watched how he dealt with fans. He seemed extremely nice and had time for everyone. Hell, he shared a locker room with Joey Ryan and took the time to shake his hand. So it isn't like he's a classless piece of shit. Forgive me if someone has already mentioned this and/or I'm wrong, but wasn't his thing with Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn about him saying that Zayn should unmask and Owens needed to lose weight to make it? Did WWE not make them do just that? I thought his biggest "sins" were racist rants and assaulting people, but maybe that's just me.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 13, 2018 15:33:37 GMT -5
The biggest point I'd disagree with Cornette on is the notion that because guys in PWG are doing wacky comedy that exposes the business that wrestling companies everywhere are negatively affected. To me wresting companies with different tones and approaches to the medium are in some ways an outgrowth of the different regional styles from the territory era. There's a kind of reality in Lucha Underground that works for them but differs entirely for something like ROH which in turn contrasts with something like TNA. Now staying consistent within one company makes complete sense, as having completely different tones and kayfabe realities within one show or roster completely kills suspension of disbelief. Its something WWE struggles with a lot as they shift from complete silliness in a gimmick match to serious competition to vague work shoot promos which make it unclear as to what's "real" or not.
tl:dr: In contrast to Cornette, various types of wrestling shows can work, but keep internally consistent with it.
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on May 13, 2018 18:08:54 GMT -5
The biggest point I'd disagree with Cornette on is the notion that because guys in PWG are doing wacky comedy that exposes the business that wrestling companies everywhere are negatively affected. To me wresting companies with different tones and approaches to the medium are in some ways an outgrowth of the different regional styles from the territory era. There's a kind of reality in Lucha Underground that works for them but differs entirely for something like ROH which in turn contrasts with something like TNA. Now staying consistent within one company makes complete sense, as having completely different tones and kayfabe realities within one show or roster completely kills suspension of disbelief. Its something WWE struggles with a lot as they shift from complete silliness in a gimmick match to serious competition to vague work shoot promos which make it unclear as to what's "real" or not. tl:dr: In contrast to Cornette, barious types of wrestling shows can work, but keep internally consistent with it. I agree, I've always thought of different promotions in the same light as different comic publishers. Some do Archie-style, some are Marvel/DC, some are manga-knockoffs, some do horror like the old Chaos Comics, etc.
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Post by The Ichi on May 13, 2018 20:00:00 GMT -5
Can people not just simply dislike him without it boiling down to being sensitive or whatever?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 13, 2018 21:30:24 GMT -5
Can people not just simply dislike him without it boiling down to being sensitive or whatever? No, anyone who doesn't like the thing I don't like must be a sensitive baby whose poor pwecious feewings can't handle it. Because that's not an immensely self-unaware sentiment to take.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on May 13, 2018 21:41:56 GMT -5
"Go piss up a rope!" is now in my vocabulary. Jim often mentions that he was dying in WCCW because the Express weren't working with the Von Erichs and thus not making the big money. However, Corny managed Rip Oliver, who spent several months feuding with Mike VE. Go Piss up a Rope was one of my DI's favorite sayings. Same DI that anytime someone did something stupid he would ask them if they were from Ohio. Not sure why but DI Childress thought everyone from Ohio was dumb. Having spent 5 years working in a grocery store frequented by tourists from Ohio, I have to say that I love your DI. (I also met some fine people from there, and have some fairly close family from there, so of course it isn't everyone. But I met more than enough to find that hilarious.)
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Post by brown bricks on May 13, 2018 21:49:30 GMT -5
I love Jim Cornette and could listen to him talk for hours. The man is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to wrestling. His biggest "sin" in the wrestling community is not being a fan of certain guys that are popular on the Internet. I'm not remotely saying all wrestling fans are like this, but a large number are grown children who get real-life deeply offended if you don't like every single wrestler or hold every belief about wrestling that they do. If you think I'm being hyperbolic, let me invite you to check out twitter.com. Unfortunately I've never had a chance to meet him, but I have been in shouting distance of him twice and watched how he dealt with fans. He seemed extremely nice and had time for everyone. Hell, he shared a locker room with Joey Ryan and took the time to shake his hand. So it isn't like he's a classless piece of shit. Forgive me if someone has already mentioned this and/or I'm wrong, but wasn't his thing with Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn about him saying that Zayn should unmask and Owens needed to lose weight to make it? Did WWE not make them do just that? I thought his biggest "sins" were racist rants and assaulting people, but maybe that's just me. What racist rants are we talking about here? Genuinely in the dark on that.
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Post by brown bricks on May 13, 2018 21:51:14 GMT -5
He doesn't just "not like" popular things, he screams about how they should be beaten and shot and run out of the wrestling business. I don't think people would be nearly as put off by his opinions if he didn't deliver them with all of the grace and subtlety of someone who spends every second at a red light revving his motorcycle up just so you know he's there. Watching Bill Hicks and Lewis Black probably triggers your delicate sensibilities. Bill Hicks was the closest we'll ever get to a YouTube comment section in human form.
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Post by FinalGwen on May 13, 2018 21:51:21 GMT -5
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Post by brown bricks on May 13, 2018 21:55:35 GMT -5
Yeah, that's not great. Didn't know about that at all.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 13, 2018 22:22:00 GMT -5
Go Piss up a Rope was one of my DI's favorite sayings. Same DI that anytime someone did something stupid he would ask them if they were from Ohio. Not sure why but DI Childress thought everyone from Ohio was dumb. Having spent 5 years working in a grocery store frequented by tourists from Ohio, I have to say that I love your DI. (I also met some fine people from there, and have some fairly close family from there, so of course it isn't everyone. But I met more than enough to find that hilarious.) He was a great guy. The night before graduation he went out drinking with us. Chill as hell guy once he wasn't our DI. Ended up doing 35 years in the Army and retiring. I got some distant family in Ohio and been up there a few times. It was odd cause it felt like the deep south but wasn't the deep south.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 19:19:41 GMT -5
I feel like those "Islamophobic" accusations have a HUGE amount of spin to them, as Corny is quite vocal about having the same feelings about ANY form of religion, not Islam specifically. That's about all I can get into without venturing into politics and religion.
That said, he's by far my favorite wrestling personality to hear stories feom, and I'm on board with absolutely everything he says except for his feelings that a lot of modern indy stuff exposes the business. The cat is never going back into the bag, might as well give people what they want to pay to see.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 19:32:09 GMT -5
Jim Cornette regularly engages in the thing I hate most in the world: Casually threatening violence and grossly overinflating his ability to cause it.
Like, I'm really impressed you were able to thwap some people with a tennis racket thirty years ago while fleeing an arena surrounded by giant wrestlers and security gym but maybe you should watch how you talk about how many wrestlers would have beat up so and so. Overall, anytime anybody talks like they've definitely kick the crap out of someone with anyone fighting back it drives me crazy.
It's why, even as a giant CM Punk fan, I found the Mickey Gall fight so satisfying because he talked such a big game about how he'd kick the ass of any fan who mouthed off to him in the street. Would you now?
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 14, 2018 19:50:14 GMT -5
I love Jim Cornette and could listen to him talk for hours. The man is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to wrestling. His biggest "sin" in the wrestling community is not being a fan of certain guys that are popular on the Internet. I'm not remotely saying all wrestling fans are like this, but a large number are grown children who get real-life deeply offended if you don't like every single wrestler or hold every belief about wrestling that they do. If you think I'm being hyperbolic, let me invite you to check out twitter.com. Unfortunately I've never had a chance to meet him, but I have been in shouting distance of him twice and watched how he dealt with fans. He seemed extremely nice and had time for everyone. Hell, he shared a locker room with Joey Ryan and took the time to shake his hand. So it isn't like he's a classless piece of shit. Forgive me if someone has already mentioned this and/or I'm wrong, but wasn't his thing with Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn about him saying that Zayn should unmask and Owens needed to lose weight to make it? Did WWE not make them do just that? Well the stuff with Kevin and Sami is a bit different. With Sami it was a business decision at the time as he was making better money being a true freelancer under the mask than he would have as an ROH exclusive talent. With Kevin? A bit more personal. Cornette felt that Kevin gained wasn't committed and wanted to punish him as part of the agreement was for Kevin to get in shape while Kevin says he wanted to wrestle elsewhere and Cornette got mad at him for taking other bookings rather than just being committed to getting into shape. Plus Kevin didn't like how The Bucks were treated or the Smash Bros
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Post by CubsFan71 on May 14, 2018 21:36:01 GMT -5
I’ve always been a huge fan of Cornette and I love Cornys Drive Thru. But sometimes I have a feeling he doesn’t realize it’s not 1985 any more
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 21:40:11 GMT -5
It's why, even as a giant CM Punk fan, I found the Mickey Gall fight so satisfying because he talked such a big game about how he'd kick the ass of any fan who mouthed off to him in the street. Would you now? Your average fan? Probably be able to, especially after training for an mma fight. Against someone legit? Nope, but most fans aren't.
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Post by chazraps on May 14, 2018 22:08:08 GMT -5
I feel like those "Islamophobic" accusations have a HUGE amount of spin to them, as Corny is quite vocal about having the same feelings about ANY form of religion, not Islam specifically. That's about all I can get into without venturing into politics and religion. . It's not spin when he's dropping specifically racial slurs throughout it.
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