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Post by BrodietheSlayer on May 4, 2018 15:54:26 GMT -5
Why wouldn't they bring him back? Let's be real here, nobody is going to stop watching. This isn't Moolah in the middle of a Me Too, movement; this is different. This is a company that just took a shitload of money from a government that won't allow women to be on the show, or Sami Zayn. This is company that runs out the Ultimate Warrior Award, named after a person, who said legit awful, awful things, not caught in a moment of weakness, or on hidden camera, but on camera, and on his blog. This is a company that has had one African-American in a singles main event of of PPV since Rock-Cena II(Sasha Banks in 2016), and hasn't had a male African American, outside Rock, wrestle Main Event a singles PPV main event since R-Truth in 2011. This is a company which, in 2018, continually will only give sustained pushed to African American wrestlers if they are comedy acts. If you are still watching at this point, and it is them hiring back Hogan that causes you to turn off, then you are bigger hypocrites that they are, and I say this as one of those hypocrites. The reason these threads go nowhere is because there is no right answer; no answer to make everybody happy. It's a horrible situation with a company that continually makes horrible decisions, and who moves the line of decency based on nothing but the whims of a 72 year old man and a candy company. Nothing about it makes me feel good. Even so much of the reasoning(What will they gain at this point) is really sickening, and shows us, the wrestling fan, in a bad light. If Hogan was 42, and in the prime of his career, we'd understand it better, but because he's a shambling old fool, this is the line they should draw? Because, this is less about Hogan and what he said, and who he hurt, and more about us; feeling like we have some moral highground as we talk about The Greatest Royal Rumble, or watch the cosplay Bayley as the Ultimate Warrior. And if I am throwing all of us fans together, it is not my intention, but I do think it is a solid majority, at least those, like myself, who continue to watch this company, give them $9.99 a month for the network. Thanks for listening. Quoting this because it needs to be read. Agreed completely. I ask this question every time a Hogan thread pops up and no one ever answers it: why are you guys so offended by what Hogan said, but still without any hesitation giving your hard earned money to Vince McMahon who is a bigoted, sexist, xenophobic, etc, person himself? Can someone please explain what moral high ground some of you believe you are on when you support a company like this? It baffles me: Yeah, that's kind of my problem with it as well. It's like watching a sketch comedy show run by members of the KKK, in which there has been a history of racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic sketches throughout that show's run.....but then getting outraged because Michael Richards might make an appearance on the show.
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Post by lightinmasonry on May 4, 2018 15:59:19 GMT -5
Vince is sending a message to every black wrestler that works for him, that they simply don't matter. That Hogan is more important than them, when all Hogan can contribute is cutting the same promo about how he slammed a seven thousand pounds giant in the Silverdome more than thirty years ago. With all due respect, that is just one severe way of looking at this. Hogan said something dumb off the cuff when he was drunk - who hasn't? The overwhelming majority of WWE fans in person and online will mark like crazy for his return. Vince is not going to banish the most popular, phenomenal draw in wrestling for the rest of his life because of something he profusely apologized for. Like I said earlier, if I had to banish every person who ever said something racist to me in my city, the streets would be empty. Consider: 1. Man says something reprehensible. 2. Reprehensible things that don't actually hurt anyone can be forgiven. 3. Man profusely apologizes and thus, in time, is forgiven. It would be more outrageous to bannish him forever.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 4, 2018 16:01:11 GMT -5
They don't need Hogan. Cena ticks all the boxes for them in terms of being a clean cut, wholesome, friendly and articulate ambasador that they can rely on for PR purposes.
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Post by lightinmasonry on May 4, 2018 16:06:46 GMT -5
They don't need Hogan. Cena ticks all the boxes for them in terms of being a clean cut, wholesome, friendly and articulate ambasador that they can rely on for PR purposes. He lacks Hogan's nostalgic aura, and nostalgic aura is irreplaceable.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 16:11:10 GMT -5
The point I'm making is this, are you claiming everyone who operates under Vince falls in line with his racism, sexism, xenophobic and etc mindset? Or could said wrestlers be against what he says? Because going by your logic, if you're claiming that people are supporting Vince with their money then in theory said wrestlers also fall in line with that as well. Going by that same logic, we can say "well if you live in America then you agree with everything (insert random person who's in charge) says right? Instead of leaving the country right?" and so on and so forth. We can do this for numerous things, not just wrestling. Here is what I'm saying: Vince is a racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, etc, person. He groped women half his age on television for years because he knew he could hide behind "it's a storyline". He said the N-Word on TV and made sure Booker T was the first person the camera panned to because he knew he could hide behind "it's a storyline" and "see, my black employee wasn't offended by it". Countless people he employs or has employed in the past (for extremely long tenures) have been racist, sexist, bullies, etc. There is three decades worth of history there. So if Hogan's racism is so offensive that you do not want the company to bring him back, then why are you even supporting the company in the first place? If Donald Sterling still owned the Clippers, and there was a public outcry from fans for him not to hire a racist TV announcer (for example), then that would be the same type of hypocrisy as this Hogan/WWE debate. My point is, vilifying a bad person (Hogan) while letting a bad company (WWE) off the hook is more more offensive than anything Hogan said. It's like saying "I want my wrestling fix and there isn't much out there, so I'll support the racist billionaire who owns the wrestling company, but will shove complaints to his sponsors when he hires people who share his values". It makes no sense. And yes, as a minority myself, I do think wrestlers of color should be held accountable for working for Vince. That's a different topic all together, but the way Vince treats black, asian, Middle Eastern, Indian, etc, talent has been horrendous for decades. This what's bolded is all it boils down to. You think every minority and every non-white male should be held accountable for working for Vince due to who Vince is and what he's done in the past. I and others don't agree with that given we know their mindsets are different than his and little by little they change the landscape of things and they change the image of the company as a whole compared to the past. An example is New Day. Before New Day there weren't many high-profiled blacks in the company who sell a lot of merch, get a lot of tv time and overall get to do what they want to do. Most of the blacks we've seen fit a handful types. There's 1 side which is Rock who was the "cool black" (even though his Samoan side was talked more about compared to his black side but that's a completely different topic). Then there's the other side, the stereotype side. The "thug black", the "stupid black", the "dancing black", the "funny black", the "token black with the 1 line", the jokes basically. The jokes. That was it for a great while, even Kofi himself had part of that to his character if you look at it a certain way. Then New Day showed up and helped change that around. Sure, they danced, made jokes and had fun but what New Day wasn't was stupid. They're all 3 smart black men who found a way to change the negative connotation towards what it meant to be a black superstar in the WWE and now whenever we see a black superstar debut they have to at least be a certain breed or else we know they're out of here. Not just them but Sasha Banks helped changed that. Even Naomi herself helped changed that. That's what we mean by changing Vince's mindset because in the beginning they couldn't prove who they were, they were just doing what they were told, just filling a role but that changed. See, if they said "screw Vince, I'm out" we wouldn't have likely had this positivity towards black personas in the company today. Yes Vince has treated blacks horrible for decades but the difference here is that black stars are changing that. If people stuck to that "but you're helping him out by supporting" mindset then there wouldn't be change. New Day wouldn't have led that change, they'd be fired, we'd see more stereotypes, history repeats. You have to go through hell in order to come back and say "yeah I overcame that." Watching these stars is supporting their dreams, dreams that likely don't match up with Vince's grand plan given they're different than he is. Should people completely stop watching and endorsing everything WWE purely to say "f*** you Vince!!" even if that means not supporting those they do enjoy? So you'd be hurting Vince and his ideals (which is the point) but also damaging those you actually wanna see. On the other hand you can just only watch who you want while not supporting the things you don't want to see and then see the change (as I described with New Day) happen because at the end of the day yeah, people can give their money to Vince but that doesn't mean that you support everything he does. If you only give him 1 penny instead of $1000 a year that doesn't mean that you supporting everything he does. What you enjoy is worth that penny, not that 1k. As for Vince, he's a guy that doesn't agree with the whole "well if you give me 1 penny I win" thing. He's someone who wants it all as much as possible so yeah, not watching some things and not supporting him in ways is a shot to him that affects him. Even if you watch 10 minutes that would do damage because he's not paying for 1 minute, he's paying for a 3 hour Raw. He's losing more than he's gaining and with his personality, again, he wants to gain it all. Like I described above, the same applies and still that doesn't detract from my original question. Is everyone who lives in the US that hasn't moved away supporting (insert guy in charge)? Even if they go against what they stand for? Even if they pay taxes? Even if they comment on them? It's the same thing and you can replace that with wrestling, gaming, music, I mean Afrika Bambaataa created hip-hop, I love hip-hop but Afrika Bambaataa also had sexual allegations that came out years ago. If I support hip-hop am I supporting him? Even though I hate what he stands for? But he created it. Are you telling me to stop listening to hip-hop given that entire genre is under his name? At the end of the day this can be latched onto just about anything.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 4, 2018 16:19:31 GMT -5
They don't need Hogan. Cena ticks all the boxes for them in terms of being a clean cut, wholesome, friendly and articulate ambasador that they can rely on for PR purposes. He lacks Hogan's nostalgic aura, and nostalgic aura is irreplaceable. To ever diminishing returns. He might get a pop, but that's all. He botches promos and can't wrestle. Any supposed benefit is nothing compared to the bad publicity.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 4, 2018 16:21:17 GMT -5
Vince is sending a message to every black wrestler that works for him, that they simply don't matter. That Hogan is more important than them, when all Hogan can contribute is cutting the same promo about how he slammed a seven thousand pounds giant in the Silverdome more than thirty years ago. With all due respect, that is just one severe way of looking at this. Hogan said something dumb off the cuff when he was drunk - who hasn't? The overwhelming majority of WWE fans in person and online will mark like crazy for his return. Vince is not going to banish the most popular, phenomenal draw in wrestling for the rest of his life because of something he profusely apologized for. Like I said earlier, if I had to banish every person who ever said something racist to me in my city, the streets would be empty. Consider: 1. Man says something reprehensible. 2. Reprehensible things that don't actually hurt anyone can be forgiven. 3. Man profusely apologizes and thus, in time, is forgiven. It would be more outrageous to bannish him forever. Hogan wasn't drunk and even if he was it's no excuse. Hogan not only said the n word, he literally said "I am a racist." He admitted right then and there that he's a racist, it's his voice in the video, it's not being edited, it's Hulk Hogan saying that he's a racist. It's not a person that had an isolated incident, he's an admitted racist. He never made amends in his apology video he said that he forgived himself. Hogan then made fun about victims of Hurricane Irma. He can be the biggest draw ever and also be a horrible human being.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 16:51:23 GMT -5
Well, it's like I've said in every Hogan thread. I don't mind him being in the video games, doing documentaries and shit like that, but even if he never said those idiotic things, he just brings nothing to the table for me on Raw or SD.
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Post by RedDevil on May 4, 2018 16:52:30 GMT -5
Bored with this coming-up every now and then.
I say just do a deal to get his mercandise back on sale like action figures and in video games, back in for Network stuff, and then maybe occasionally in very carefully chosen corporate appearances - nothing in front of a live arena crowd, and certainly not in the ring if that’s still something he’s after. That’s enough.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on May 4, 2018 16:58:03 GMT -5
Hard pass
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Post by cabbageboy on May 4, 2018 17:11:48 GMT -5
Bring him back to do what? We've seen on TNA he sucks as a GM figurehead and he can't wrestle anymore. If they want him back to just have him technically in the family then fine. Have him do some speeches at schools and field serious questions about what he said, do some PR about that, and move on. A part of me doesn't get what positive value he brings to the table to offset the bad press of bringing him back.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on May 4, 2018 17:27:29 GMT -5
Here is what I'm saying: Vince is a racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, etc, person. He groped women half his age on television for years because he knew he could hide behind "it's a storyline". He said the N-Word on TV and made sure Booker T was the first person the camera panned to because he knew he could hide behind "it's a storyline" and "see, my black employee wasn't offended by it". Countless people he employs or has employed in the past (for extremely long tenures) have been racist, sexist, bullies, etc. There is three decades worth of history there. So if Hogan's racism is so offensive that you do not want the company to bring him back, then why are you even supporting the company in the first place? If Donald Sterling still owned the Clippers, and there was a public outcry from fans for him not to hire a racist TV announcer (for example), then that would be the same type of hypocrisy as this Hogan/WWE debate. My point is, vilifying a bad person (Hogan) while letting a bad company (WWE) off the hook is more more offensive than anything Hogan said. It's like saying "I want my wrestling fix and there isn't much out there, so I'll support the racist billionaire who owns the wrestling company, but will shove complaints to his sponsors when he hires people who share his values". It makes no sense. And yes, as a minority myself, I do think wrestlers of color should be held accountable for working for Vince. That's a different topic all together, but the way Vince treats black, asian, Middle Eastern, Indian, etc, talent has been horrendous for decades. This what's bolded is all it boils down to. You think every minority and every non-white male should be held accountable for working for Vince due to who Vince is and what he's done in the past. I and others don't agree with that given we know their mindsets are different than his and little by little they change the landscape of things and they change the image of the company as a whole compared to the past. An example is New Day. Before New Day there weren't many high-profiled blacks in the company who sell a lot of merch, get a lot of tv time and overall get to do what they want to do. Most of the blacks we've seen fit a handful types. There's 1 side which is Rock who was the "cool black" (even though his Samoan side was talked more about compared to his black side but that's a completely different topic). Then there's the other side, the stereotype side. The "thug black", the "stupid black", the "dancing black", the "funny black", the "token black with the 1 line", the jokes basically. The jokes. That was it for a great while, even Kofi himself had part of that to his character if you look at it a certain way. Then New Day showed up and helped change that around. Sure, they danced, made jokes and had fun but what New Day wasn't was stupid. They're all 3 smart black men who found a way to change the negative connotation towards what it meant to be a black superstar in the WWE and now whenever we see a black superstar debut they have to at least be a certain breed or else we know they're out of here. Not just them but Sasha Banks helped changed that. Even Naomi herself helped changed that. That's what we mean by changing Vince's mindset because in the beginning they couldn't prove who they were, they were just doing what they were told, just filling a role but that changed. See, if they said "screw Vince, I'm out" we wouldn't have likely had this positivity towards black personas in the company today. Yes Vince has treated blacks horrible for decades but the difference here is that black stars are changing that. If people stuck to that "but you're helping him out by supporting" mindset then there wouldn't be change. New Day wouldn't have led that change, they'd be fired, we'd see more stereotypes, history repeats. You have to go through hell in order to come back and say "yeah I overcame that." Watching these stars is supporting their dreams, dreams that likely don't match up with Vince's grand plan given they're different than he is. Should people completely stop watching and endorsing everything WWE purely to say "f*** you Vince!!" even if that means not supporting those they do enjoy? So you'd be hurting Vince and his ideals (which is the point) but also damaging those you actually wanna see. On the other hand you can just only watch who you want while not supporting the things you don't want to see and then see the change (as I described with New Day) happen because at the end of the day yeah, people can give their money to Vince but that doesn't mean that you support everything he does. If you only give him 1 penny instead of $1000 a year that doesn't mean that you supporting everything he does. What you enjoy is worth that penny, not that 1k. As for Vince, he's a guy that doesn't agree with the whole "well if you give me 1 penny I win" thing. He's someone who wants it all as much as possible so yeah, not watching some things and not supporting him in ways is a shot to him that affects him. Even if you watch 10 minutes that would do damage because he's not paying for 1 minute, he's paying for a 3 hour Raw. He's losing more than he's gaining and with his personality, again, he wants to gain it all. Like I described above, the same applies and still that doesn't detract from my original question. Is everyone who lives in the US that hasn't moved away supporting (insert guy in charge)? Even if they go against what they stand for? Even if they pay taxes? Even if they comment on them? It's the same thing and you can replace that with wrestling, gaming, music, I mean Afrika Bambaataa created hip-hop, I love hip-hop but Afrika Bambaataa also had sexual allegations that came out years ago. If I support hip-hop am I supporting him? Even though I hate what he stands for? But he created it. Are you telling me to stop listening to hip-hop given that entire genre is under his name? At the end of the day this can be latched onto just about anything. The WWE is a company, not a country, and not an entire genre, no matter how big they are.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 17:48:23 GMT -5
This what's bolded is all it boils down to. You think every minority and every non-white male should be held accountable for working for Vince due to who Vince is and what he's done in the past. I and others don't agree with that given we know their mindsets are different than his and little by little they change the landscape of things and they change the image of the company as a whole compared to the past. An example is New Day. Before New Day there weren't many high-profiled blacks in the company who sell a lot of merch, get a lot of tv time and overall get to do what they want to do. Most of the blacks we've seen fit a handful types. There's 1 side which is Rock who was the "cool black" (even though his Samoan side was talked more about compared to his black side but that's a completely different topic). Then there's the other side, the stereotype side. The "thug black", the "stupid black", the "dancing black", the "funny black", the "token black with the 1 line", the jokes basically. The jokes. That was it for a great while, even Kofi himself had part of that to his character if you look at it a certain way. Then New Day showed up and helped change that around. Sure, they danced, made jokes and had fun but what New Day wasn't was stupid. They're all 3 smart black men who found a way to change the negative connotation towards what it meant to be a black superstar in the WWE and now whenever we see a black superstar debut they have to at least be a certain breed or else we know they're out of here. Not just them but Sasha Banks helped changed that. Even Naomi herself helped changed that. That's what we mean by changing Vince's mindset because in the beginning they couldn't prove who they were, they were just doing what they were told, just filling a role but that changed. See, if they said "screw Vince, I'm out" we wouldn't have likely had this positivity towards black personas in the company today. Yes Vince has treated blacks horrible for decades but the difference here is that black stars are changing that. If people stuck to that "but you're helping him out by supporting" mindset then there wouldn't be change. New Day wouldn't have led that change, they'd be fired, we'd see more stereotypes, history repeats. You have to go through hell in order to come back and say "yeah I overcame that." Watching these stars is supporting their dreams, dreams that likely don't match up with Vince's grand plan given they're different than he is. Should people completely stop watching and endorsing everything WWE purely to say "f*** you Vince!!" even if that means not supporting those they do enjoy? So you'd be hurting Vince and his ideals (which is the point) but also damaging those you actually wanna see. On the other hand you can just only watch who you want while not supporting the things you don't want to see and then see the change (as I described with New Day) happen because at the end of the day yeah, people can give their money to Vince but that doesn't mean that you support everything he does. If you only give him 1 penny instead of $1000 a year that doesn't mean that you supporting everything he does. What you enjoy is worth that penny, not that 1k. As for Vince, he's a guy that doesn't agree with the whole "well if you give me 1 penny I win" thing. He's someone who wants it all as much as possible so yeah, not watching some things and not supporting him in ways is a shot to him that affects him. Even if you watch 10 minutes that would do damage because he's not paying for 1 minute, he's paying for a 3 hour Raw. He's losing more than he's gaining and with his personality, again, he wants to gain it all. Like I described above, the same applies and still that doesn't detract from my original question. Is everyone who lives in the US that hasn't moved away supporting (insert guy in charge)? Even if they go against what they stand for? Even if they pay taxes? Even if they comment on them? It's the same thing and you can replace that with wrestling, gaming, music, I mean Afrika Bambaataa created hip-hop, I love hip-hop but Afrika Bambaataa also had sexual allegations that came out years ago. If I support hip-hop am I supporting him? Even though I hate what he stands for? But he created it. Are you telling me to stop listening to hip-hop given that entire genre is under his name? At the end of the day this can be latched onto just about anything. The WWE is a company, not a country, and not an entire genre, no matter how big they are. ? That's not even the point of my post. You can compare it to a gaming console, a music label, a clothing brand, cable station, that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's a country, a genre or anything else because the point of my post wasn't about in which the "medium" is like you seemed to think, the point of my post was about the fact that many people are involved with many things and some parts they enjoy and some parts they dislike. Some people love their country as much as they love wrestling, videogames and many other things. The medium isn't the crux here, it's the mixed feelings involved in something you like. The medium, that's actually something to grab onto simply because you actually have a problem with people's comments about not wanting Hogan around like you've already stated earlier on in this thread. The point stands regardless of what it is as long as people enjoy whatever it is they like and they see something they dislike involved with it. It's just that simple.
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Post by Juice on May 4, 2018 17:48:32 GMT -5
He offers nothing but controversy. Why bother? Controversy creates cash brother
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on May 4, 2018 18:01:38 GMT -5
The WWE is a company, not a country, and not an entire genre, no matter how big they are. ? That's not even the point of my post. You can compare it to a gaming console, a music label, a clothing brand, cable station, that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's a country, a genre or anything else because the point of my post wasn't about in which the "medium" is like you seemed to think, the point of my post was about the fact that many people are involved with many things and some parts they enjoy and some parts they dislike. Some people love their country as much as they love wrestling, videogames and many other things. The medium isn't the crux here, it's the mixed feelings involved in something you like. The medium, that's actually something to grab onto simply because you actually have a problem with people's comments about not wanting Hogan around like you've already stated earlier on in this thread. The point stands regardless of what it is as long as people enjoy whatever it is they like and they see something they dislike involved with it. It's just that simple. It really isn't that simple. If Nintendo had a series of practices that I found morally offensive, I wouldn't support them; and if I did support them, which is my right, and I'm not judging anyone for doing so, I would think it silly to have a conniption over a relatively minor infraction, compared to the rest of what they do. I have no problem that people don't want Hogan around; my problem, if there is one, is that this particular incident is "THE LINE" that WWE could cross that would cause someone to stop watching, because if it is, it's bullshit. That line of morality has been crossed by this company.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 4, 2018 18:13:05 GMT -5
? That's not even the point of my post. You can compare it to a gaming console, a music label, a clothing brand, cable station, that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's a country, a genre or anything else because the point of my post wasn't about in which the "medium" is like you seemed to think, the point of my post was about the fact that many people are involved with many things and some parts they enjoy and some parts they dislike. Some people love their country as much as they love wrestling, videogames and many other things. The medium isn't the crux here, it's the mixed feelings involved in something you like. The medium, that's actually something to grab onto simply because you actually have a problem with people's comments about not wanting Hogan around like you've already stated earlier on in this thread. The point stands regardless of what it is as long as people enjoy whatever it is they like and they see something they dislike involved with it. It's just that simple. It really isn't that simple. If Nintendo had a series of practices that I found morally offensive, I wouldn't support them; and if I did support them, which is my right, and I'm not judging anyone for doing so, I would think it silly to have a conniption over a relatively minor infraction, compared to the rest of what they do. I have no problem that people don't want Hogan around; my problem, if there is one, is that this particular incident is "THE LINE" that WWE could cross that would cause someone to stop watching, because if it is, it's bullshit. That line of morality has been crossed by this company. It all depends on who says it. Beloved fan favourite, it largely gets ignored or explained away. Guys like Hogan, there’s no forgiving him for anything ever. I’m much more concerned about Hogan’s actions than what he says, because how you act on your beliefs is what counts. Maybe Hogan hates every last black person on Earth, but outside of being heard on an illegally recorded tape that so massively violated his privacy it took down a media company that really hasn’t borne out.
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Post by Fade on May 4, 2018 18:18:12 GMT -5
Brings him back as Thanos.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 18:29:03 GMT -5
? That's not even the point of my post. You can compare it to a gaming console, a music label, a clothing brand, cable station, that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's a country, a genre or anything else because the point of my post wasn't about in which the "medium" is like you seemed to think, the point of my post was about the fact that many people are involved with many things and some parts they enjoy and some parts they dislike. Some people love their country as much as they love wrestling, videogames and many other things. The medium isn't the crux here, it's the mixed feelings involved in something you like. The medium, that's actually something to grab onto simply because you actually have a problem with people's comments about not wanting Hogan around like you've already stated earlier on in this thread. The point stands regardless of what it is as long as people enjoy whatever it is they like and they see something they dislike involved with it. It's just that simple. It really isn't that simple. If Nintendo had a series of practices that I found morally offensive, I wouldn't support them; and if I did support them, which is my right, and I'm not judging anyone for doing so, I would think it silly to have a conniption over a relatively minor infraction, compared to the rest of what they do. I have no problem that people don't want Hogan around; my problem, if there is one, is that this particular incident is " THE LINE" that WWE could cross that would cause someone to stop watching, because if it is, it's bullshit. That line of morality has been crossed by this company.It's simple for everyone who doesn't want Hogan around, given your comments in this thread you're just not understanding it because you think it's a complex situation. You brought up Nintendo right now, your comment basically said "if Nintendo did something horrible I'm not dealing with them and that goes for any game on their console." Others however understand that they can still get a Nintendo console purely to play a game from a developer they love, simply to support them because they feel it's right for said developer. That's spending more time on love than hate in a way. They can either get that console from a pawn shop, a friend for free, however means they need, there's ways but then they'd buy the game from the developer's own website. That makes perfect sense. If I hate shopping I'll do it because my girlfriend wants to go shopping. I'm putting aside how I feel about a situation to support someone and/or something I love. This Hogan situation is easy for me to understand. I don't want to see Hogan so f*** Hulk's orange racist ass. I will keep watching others I enjoy, New Day for example, because these dudes aren't racist and saying "f*** Hulk" doesn't support Hogan. I support those I love in the company even if I hate Hogan, I'll just not watch Hogan and support them. I'll also go against the negatives while watching the positive. It's balance. People see other stars they enjoy watching, want to support so they go and watch said stars and situations fully knowing WWE's past. Said superstars themselves have their own rules and regulations, purely knowing what the WWE's done and still they work in the company considering they know that they can progress what's happened. Even above I explained how the WWE's treated blacks throughout the company and explained how New Day helped change that perception which is a positive. Going by your method New Day and other blacks should say "f*** the WWE" and not contribute to change considering it's a "do or die" situation with you. Others just don't agree with that. People do this all the time on this forum when they say "ok, I'll watch this match" and then say "ok, I'm taking a break, I'll be back when this is over." You wouldn't walk through the fire and try to make change, brag about the positives of a company that was seen negatively like a lot of people would do. Yeah the WWE has done bad things but me? I'll say "well yeah they've done bad but they've tried to change things around, look at this segment" and see where that goes. Again it's more on positivity. It's something you won't understand because your ideology is far different than most others. Everybody is different and there's no right or wrong but those who think the way I'm saying aren't wrong, they're just different than you. You have to respect their position in this and not go at it as a "well they're wrong and they're hypocrites I don't get them" situation because at the end of the day your position isn't the defacto correct one. Everyone's position is level given their opinions and feelings towards this. Another thing is your comment towards you not "judging anyone for doing so", dawg. If people have comments about those who do want to watch Hogan when he comes back they can judge them because that's their prerogative. You straight up called people hypocrites a few posts ago. Everybody gets judged based on what they post on this forum, nobody is excluded regardless who they like or what they like. That's just what it is.
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Post by sfvega on May 4, 2018 18:30:49 GMT -5
Truth be told, he’s not a very big fan of “the black people.”
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Post by nisidhe on May 4, 2018 18:45:32 GMT -5
It's not just the tape, though. It was his reaction to Nick's car accident and comments about the victim; it was the entire sordid mess surrounding the breakdown of his family. It was the ongoing politicking for which he has been roundly exposed. It's everything Hogan has done outside the ring, plus the passage of time, that has worked against his return in anything more substantive than documentary appearances, DLC and merch promotions done, at this point, solely for completing the collection.
As frequently as Shawn Michaels appeared on WWE TV until a couple years ago, to his credit he's not done anything lately to damage his reputation further or to make WWE look bad. Bret Hart's track record would require an army of Finn Balor clones on Spanish fly to catch up, but no shoes have dropped on that front and he should be used by WWE far more than he has been since his return to the fold. Cena is a globalized Hogan without the scandal. WWE has options for legend returns that a) do not conjure up memories of deep scandal and ill will within the business and b) can still entertain a crowd or otherwise bring great value to the presentation of the product. Going for Hogan, especially after the controversy around GRR, would be rightly viewed as a cynical attempt to troll the fanbase.
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