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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 4, 2018 14:53:56 GMT -5
This is gonna end bad if they bring him back lol
I'm imagining him doing segments with New Day just to prove that he isn't racist.
The only good part that will come out of this abortion will be the epic botches when Hogan f***s up his promos.
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Post by mcstoklasa on May 4, 2018 14:54:07 GMT -5
Get the likeness rights sorted out for merch and video games and be done with it. I have no use for him as a TV presence. This. I’m 100% on board with him having a merch contract, being in the games, having shirts and being in documentaries but he adds nothing to the live product and that’s not even factoring in the controversy
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 14:54:30 GMT -5
Quoting this because it needs to be read. Agreed completely. I ask this question every time a Hogan thread pops up and no one ever answers it: why are you guys so offended by what Hogan said, but still without any hesitation giving your hard earned money to Vince McMahon who is a bigoted, sexist, xenophobic, etc, person himself? Can someone please explain what moral high ground some of you believe you are on when you support a company like this? It baffles me: ? What money are we giving Vincent McMahon? Secondly, believe it or not some people tune out of the sexism, bigotry, xenophobia and other situations as in "I won't watch when this stuff is shown" similar to many others and their opinion on Hogan when he shows up. It's not hard to understand. When people buy tickets, merch, the Network, etc, they are putting money in Vince’s pocket. We have three decades of sample size to show that Vince and his programming depict a lot of racism, sexism, etc. He hired Vince Russo (who is also racist and sexist) to write his programming during a boom period. They’ve had instances of employees being accused to molestation. And so on. The company is tainted from top to bottom and the same dude runs it. My point is, showing outrage over Hulk Hogan but continuing to support an immoral company just so you (not you specifically but using it in a general sense) can get your wrestling fix is hypocrisy at its finest.
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Post by mcstoklasa on May 4, 2018 14:55:58 GMT -5
I love the Blacks brother! So long as the Blacks is the last name of a white family brother! I have a color chart brother. If you want to be a hulkamaniac you have to be whiter than this brother! *oranger
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 15:02:39 GMT -5
? What money are we giving Vincent McMahon? Secondly, believe it or not some people tune out of the sexism, bigotry, xenophobia and other situations as in "I won't watch when this stuff is shown" similar to many others and their opinion on Hogan when he shows up. It's not hard to understand. When people buy tickets, merch, the Network, etc, they are putting money in Vince’s pocket. We have three decades of sample size to show that Vince and his programming depict a lot of racism, sexism, etc. He hired Vince Russo (who is also racist and sexist) to write his programming during a boom period. They’ve had instances of employees being accused to molestation. And so on. The company is tainted from top to bottom and the same dude runs it. My point is, showing outrage over Hulk Hogan but continuing to support an immoral company just so you (not you specifically but using it in a general sense) can get your wrestling fix is hypocrisy at its finest.I don't know about anyone else but I don't do any of these things. The point I'm making is this, are you claiming everyone who operates under Vince falls in line with his racism, sexism, xenophobic and etc mindset? Or could said wrestlers be against what he says? Because going by your logic, if you're claiming that people are supporting Vince with their money then in theory said wrestlers also fall in line with that as well. Going by that same logic, we can say "well if you live in America then you agree with everything (insert random person who's in charge) says right? Instead of leaving the country right?" and so on and so forth. We can do this for numerous things, not just wrestling. Most people don't agree with your mindset here regarding that because to us, we can just not watch and not support what we see and then tune in to support who we want to see. That's actually the same mindset many people in the company state about wrestlers people hate. "You hate the wrestler? Don't boo them, just don't watch them. Don't react to them. That'll hurt more" and the same applies in this case. You've just got a different mindset towards this that many don't agree with.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 15:04:56 GMT -5
Can we lock this thread in advance? Thanks.
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Post by lightinmasonry on May 4, 2018 15:06:29 GMT -5
Good stuff. Dudes learned his lesson and the older fans always dig a Hulkster appearance. If I had to prosecute every single person who ever said something racist to me the city streets would be empty.
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Post by Reflecto on May 4, 2018 15:11:28 GMT -5
When people buy tickets, merch, the Network, etc, they are putting money in Vince’s pocket. We have three decades of sample size to show that Vince and his programming depict a lot of racism, sexism, etc. He hired Vince Russo (who is also racist and sexist) to write his programming during a boom period. They’ve had instances of employees being accused to molestation. And so on. The company is tainted from top to bottom and the same dude runs it. My point is, showing outrage over Hulk Hogan but continuing to support an immoral company just so you (not you specifically but using it in a general sense) can get your wrestling fix is hypocrisy at its finest. Again, the same point is- WWE is officially pro wrestling. Who will you go to otherwise? New Japan? Japanese pro wrestling was built on bigotry and xenophobia with the "top Japanese hero beats up all the foreigners" mentality that the show is built around, and they still won't make a gaijin the ace of the company even if they're their hottest hand. Lucha Underground? They're a TV show, built on the whims of TV producers. They're on the verge of cancellation because it's not a wrestling promotion, it's a TV show. You can barely consider it a wrestling company outright due to that (ignoring that AAA, their parent company, is just as bad as WWE.) ROH? Look at how the Women of Honor are handled and you'll see ROH's shine is off the rose too and they're just as bad. Impact? I know, you'll say "EEW, LOLTNA! to Impact", but honestly- Impact are the closest thing- and by close I mean "they'd need a ladder to see WWE"- to a North American company that has a chance at taking on the WWE. If you're not willing to support Impact- EVEN IF IT'S JUST TO HAVE A COMPETITOR TO WWE- you're as big a hypocrite as you're saying any WWE fan is, because you have the opportunity to strike a blow but won't do it because "EEW! TNA!". The indies? WWE's just going to sign any top stars from the indies and you'll be back to the same level- and that works whether you go with super indies, the local shindy, or even if you start your own promotion to strike a blow against WWE. The fact of the matter is- beyond all these things, WWE is pro wrestling. To support pro wrestling - ANY pro wrestling - is to support WWE, and to support things like Hogan, like Warrior or Moolah, like Saudi Arabia, like all of it.. If you want to strike a blow against WWE, it's not just "stop watching WWE programming and cancel the Network." It's "Stop following pro wrestling. Period. At all. And that includes leaving FAN forever, because just being on a board where we talk about pro wrestling is inherently supporting it." (I am not saying to leave the board or hope it's not construed that way, but even simply being on a pro wrestling board is supporting pro wrestling, and thus the WWE, and thus hypocrisy in this argument.)
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 4, 2018 15:13:42 GMT -5
What surprises me about the Hogan issue isn't the dscussion of the racism stuff, it's the people asking why he can't be brought back like he has something to contribute to the product. Dude can't bump, dude can't really cut a promo anymore (watch the bits he did before the racism stuff happened, he's not even great at shilling), he won't bring in ratings, and anyone who's ever tried to take his business acumen or understanding about the wrestling business as proper advice has since crashed out of the wrestling business. Hogan provides nothing to anybody of value even removing it from the scandals of every time he opens his mouth and shittalks hurricane victims or something, even at a time when he should have been keeping his head low. Even if Hogan is your childhood hero and you will still eternally love what he did and not abandon him, that was what he did. Fifteen, twenty, even thirty years ago. That's not the Hogan of today. He's not been delisted off the network, the glory days are still there. But he doesn't need to cast a pall over the current product because of nostalgia.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 4, 2018 15:18:26 GMT -5
What surprises me about the Hogan issue isn't the dscussion of the racism stuff, it's the people asking why he can't be brought back like he has something to contribute to the product. Dude can't bump, dude can't really cut a promo anymore (watch the bits he did before the racism stuff happened, he's not even great at shilling), he won't bring in ratings, and anyone who's ever tried to take his business acumen or understanding about the wrestling business as proper advice has since crashed out of the wrestling business. Hogan provides nothing to anybody of value even removing it from the scandals of every time he opens his mouth and shittalks hurricane victims or something, even at a time when he should have been keeping his head low. Even if Hogan is your childhood hero and you will still eternally love what he did and not abandon him, that was what he did. Fifteen, twenty, even thirty years ago. That's not the Hogan of today. He's not been delisted off the network, the glory days are still there. But he doesn't need to cast a pall over the current product because of nostalgia. Yea, as said already he has nothing to contribute in the ring or in the back His value is in his likeness. As was said already you sign the dude and just use him for video games and whatever else you need his likeness for. You keep him out of sight like Kevin Nash and the other legends you got under contract Problem becomes if he says something stupid again which will recriminate that contract. From that standpoint in regards to WWE you would have to ask is it worth it to have him back for his likeness and licensing only for him to f*** it up and say something stupid
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 4, 2018 15:28:05 GMT -5
What surprises me about the Hogan issue isn't the dscussion of the racism stuff, it's the people asking why he can't be brought back like he has something to contribute to the product. Dude can't bump, dude can't really cut a promo anymore (watch the bits he did before the racism stuff happened, he's not even great at shilling), he won't bring in ratings, and anyone who's ever tried to take his business acumen or understanding about the wrestling business as proper advice has since crashed out of the wrestling business. Hogan provides nothing to anybody of value even removing it from the scandals of every time he opens his mouth and shittalks hurricane victims or something, even at a time when he should have been keeping his head low. Even if Hogan is your childhood hero and you will still eternally love what he did and not abandon him, that was what he did. Fifteen, twenty, even thirty years ago. That's not the Hogan of today. He's not been delisted off the network, the glory days are still there. But he doesn't need to cast a pall over the current product because of nostalgia. Yea, as said already he has nothing to contribute in the ring or in the back His value is in his likeness. As was said already you sign the dude and just use him for video games and whatever else you need his likeness for. You keep him out of sight like Kevin Nash and the other legends you got under contract Problem becomes if he says something stupid again which will recriminate that contract. From that standpoint in regards to WWE you would have to ask is it worth it to have him back for his likeness and licensing only for him to f*** it up and say something stupid I honestly think thats the real reason WWE hasn't brought him back. Even if he DID actually make nice over the racism (which he didnt) he's basically a ticking time bomb of verbal diarrhea. It would only be a matter of time before he said something else stupid and WWE would have to let him go AGAIN. I mean, if he wasn't on the outs with them at the time he said it, his pretty disgusting comments towards hurricane victims would have probably forced their hand anyways.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 4, 2018 15:28:15 GMT -5
What surprises me about the Hogan issue isn't the dscussion of the racism stuff, it's the people asking why he can't be brought back like he has something to contribute to the product. Dude can't bump, dude can't really cut a promo anymore (watch the bits he did before the racism stuff happened, he's not even great at shilling), he won't bring in ratings, and anyone who's ever tried to take his business acumen or understanding about the wrestling business as proper advice has since crashed out of the wrestling business. Hogan provides nothing to anybody of value even removing it from the scandals of every time he opens his mouth and shittalks hurricane victims or something, even at a time when he should have been keeping his head low. Even if Hogan is your childhood hero and you will still eternally love what he did and not abandon him, that was what he did. Fifteen, twenty, even thirty years ago. That's not the Hogan of today. He's not been delisted off the network, the glory days are still there. But he doesn't need to cast a pall over the current product because of nostalgia. Yea, as said already he has nothing to contribute in the ring or in the back His value is in his likeness. As was said already you sign the dude and just use him for video games and whatever else you need his likeness for. You keep him out of sight like Kevin Nash and the other legends you got under contract Problem becomes if he says something stupid again which will recriminate that contract. From that standpoint in regards to WWE you would have to ask is it worth it to have him back for his likeness and licensing only for him to f*** it up and say something stupid I think the bigger fear is that while his image for video games or talking heads shit or whatever would work fine, the feeling is that they would absolutely go use him for a lot more than that. The last time the rumour perked up, there was word he was possibly being considered for the vacant role of Smackdown GM, and that would have been a real shitfest. Everything abotu the general method with which the product is built these days speaks to a likelihood he's not kept at a distance at all.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 4, 2018 15:30:16 GMT -5
Yea, as said already he has nothing to contribute in the ring or in the back His value is in his likeness. As was said already you sign the dude and just use him for video games and whatever else you need his likeness for. You keep him out of sight like Kevin Nash and the other legends you got under contract Problem becomes if he says something stupid again which will recriminate that contract. From that standpoint in regards to WWE you would have to ask is it worth it to have him back for his likeness and licensing only for him to f*** it up and say something stupid I think the bigger fear is that while his image for video games or talking heads shit or whatever would work fine, the feeling is that they would absolutely go use him for a lot more than that. The last time the rumour perked up, there was word he was possibly being considered for the vacant role of Smackdown GM, and that would have been a real shitfest. Everything abotu the general method with which the product is built these days speaks to a likelihood he's not kept at a distance at all. Yea, that's also a problem. You can never separate Vince from Hogan for long and he would want to do more with Hogan than he needs to do. WWE doesn't have common sense in that regard
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 4, 2018 15:31:55 GMT -5
Yea, as said already he has nothing to contribute in the ring or in the back His value is in his likeness. As was said already you sign the dude and just use him for video games and whatever else you need his likeness for. You keep him out of sight like Kevin Nash and the other legends you got under contract Problem becomes if he says something stupid again which will recriminate that contract. From that standpoint in regards to WWE you would have to ask is it worth it to have him back for his likeness and licensing only for him to f*** it up and say something stupid I honestly think thats the real reason WWE hasn't brought him back. Even if he DID actually make nice over the racism (which he didnt) he's basically a ticking time bomb of verbal diarrhea. It would only be a matter of time before he said something else stupid and WWE would have to let him go AGAIN. I mean, if he wasn't on the outs with them at the time he said it, his pretty disgusting comments towards hurricane victims would have probably forced their hand anyways. Yea this rumor has been going on for a while WWE would bring him back but he says something stupid and resets the clock. WWE has to be taking that into account. I'm pretty sure someone has told Hogan to just shut the f*** up and collect a paycheck. It's working for all your friends to do so
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 15:36:21 GMT -5
The point I'm making is this, are you claiming everyone who operates under Vince falls in line with his racism, sexism, xenophobic and etc mindset? Or could said wrestlers be against what he says? Because going by your logic, if you're claiming that people are supporting Vince with their money then in theory said wrestlers also fall in line with that as well. Going by that same logic, we can say "well if you live in America then you agree with everything (insert random person who's in charge) says right? Instead of leaving the country right?" and so on and so forth. We can do this for numerous things, not just wrestling. Here is what I'm saying: Vince is a racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, etc, person. He groped women half his age on television for years because he knew he could hide behind "it's a storyline". He said the N-Word on TV and made sure Booker T was the first person the camera panned to because he knew he could hide behind "it's a storyline" and "see, my black employee wasn't offended by it". Countless people he employs or has employed in the past (for extremely long tenures) have been racist, sexist, bullies, etc. There is three decades worth of history there. So if Hogan's racism is so offensive that you do not want the company to bring him back, then why are you even supporting the company in the first place? If Donald Sterling still owned the Clippers, and there was a public outcry from fans for him not to hire a racist TV announcer (for example), then that would be the same type of hypocrisy as this Hogan/WWE debate. My point is, vilifying a bad person (Hogan) while letting a bad company (WWE) off the hook is more more offensive than anything Hogan said. It's like saying "I want my wrestling fix and there isn't much out there, so I'll support the racist billionaire who owns the wrestling company, but will shove complaints to his sponsors when he hires people who share his values". It makes no sense. And yes, as a minority myself, I do think wrestlers of color should be held accountable for working for Vince. That's a different topic all together, but the way Vince treats black, asian, Middle Eastern, Indian, etc, talent has been horrendous for decades. But that's my point; if you're supporting ANY of the company, it's still putting money in Vince's pocket. You're still supporting a bad person. I'd rather see outrage towards the company for being racist than for individual talent being racist, since Hogan can't hire or fire people while the company can. Now me personally, I can look past it so Vince doesn't really bother me (I stopped watching because the product sucks not for any other reason). But at the same time, I'm not running to Snickers every time they hire or honor someone bad. I'd rather hold the company accountable for that than the talent.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 4, 2018 15:39:11 GMT -5
I'm not even surprised anymore about Vince doing scummy stuff.
Jimmy Snuka killed Nancy Argentino. Jimmy Snuka lost a civil suit but Vince kept using and honoring him.
Steve Austin beat the f*** out of his ex wife and even got arrested, months later he's welcomed back.
Moolah being honored while Me too is all over the mainstream.
Vince would do business with R Kelly if he think it would draw money. Damn shame.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on May 4, 2018 15:41:58 GMT -5
Urgh this keeps cropping up, what is it with Vince and Trips and there obsession wit getting this lying old racist back 😳🙈 Hulk Hogan is one of the reason Pro Wrestling has been in the Mainstream radar since 1985. That is reason enough to have him appear occasionally. Nobody is denying what he did for wrestling but what good was he the last time we saw him? He added NOTHING to the show, ratings didn't boost because hears Hogan cutting a promo. Nobody is paying to see Hogan anymore because nobody wants to see Hogan cut promos and do nothing else. Hogan is only good for the rights to put him in video games, sell merchandise, and have him appear at access. That all they need him signed to do. What could he add to a show? Nothing. It got old real fast just like when we got the same legends over and over appearing. Yes it was nice to see the first few times but when they can't do what we remember them doing and when they try it's a sad image.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on May 4, 2018 15:49:52 GMT -5
Vince, media wise you're one of the weaker kids you liked to kick around back in high school, not the jock you left behind when high school was over. Deal with it.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 4, 2018 15:51:19 GMT -5
Vince is sending a message to every black wrestler that works for him, that they simply don't matter.
That Hogan is more important than them, when all Hogan can contribute is cutting the same promo about how he slammed a seven thousand pounds giant in the Silverdome more than thirty years ago.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 15:52:07 GMT -5
I’ll quickly add that I agree completely that Hogan brings nothing to the table in 2018. His nostalgia period was the 2000’s. Now he’s so far removed from pop culture relevance that even without this racist stuff he’d bring little to no value. I still think he ruined that WM 30 segment that should have been awesome but was mostly Austin and Rock mocking the old man who couldn’t remember his lines.
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