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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 8, 2018 23:52:08 GMT -5
That's not the same Are the men going to Planet Amazonia or Themyscira to be banned from wrestling because the women were BANNED and NOT ABLE TO PERFORM in Saudi Arabia Were the RAW wrestlers paid for the show the week of the Iceland volcano eruption? Are wrestlers paid when they are injured or absent due to personal commitments? What part of banned are you not getting Where does being injured, having to take care of personal business, or an act of mother nature fit on this scale at all compared to being banned to perform in another country
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Post by tekkenguy on May 8, 2018 23:53:35 GMT -5
Were the RAW wrestlers paid for the show the week of the Iceland volcano eruption? Are wrestlers paid when they are injured or absent due to personal commitments? What part of banned are you not getting Where does being injured, having to take care of personal business, or an act of mother nature fit on this scale at all compared to being banned to perform in another country It means that people are unable to perform because of circumstances beyond their control.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 8, 2018 23:53:54 GMT -5
This old motherf***er is terrible anymore. Doesn’t even make sense given the circumstances. For real, he's always had grandpa Simpson tendencies. Jr is an ass commentator now so all of his stupid ramblings carry more weight for some people
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Post by sportatorium on May 8, 2018 23:57:30 GMT -5
Old guy redneck lacks an evolved perspective..,water is also wet.
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Post by Starshine on May 9, 2018 0:06:30 GMT -5
What part of banned are you not getting Where does being injured, having to take care of personal business, or an act of mother nature fit on this scale at all compared to being banned to perform in another country It means that people are unable to perform because of circumstances beyond their control. Just to break it down into basics... the wrestlers get a downside guarantee, that's a guaranteed minimum they make annually. They then get payments on top of that from appearing on big shows, merchandise, and (generally) other likeness uses. They also get injury benefits, as well as release and retirement packages. The Saudi show would have given them a bonus from that big show revenue. Because of the outside cultural norms of the country, they would have relinquished that. We have seen women wrestle on every big show for the past few years, including the India show. There is no doubt had that expectation from the Saudi's not been in place at least some of the women would have worked. So because WWE had a large portion of their contracted talent who wasn't allowed to reap those benefits they decided the best course of action was to give them the equal lions share they would have received had they been allowed to work. They treated them as if the show had been placed anywhere else, and they had wrestled. Why exactly is this specifically a bad thing? It's not as simple as 'no work, no pay.'
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 9, 2018 0:07:58 GMT -5
Like, some people are really salty a business got a huge bump so they passed it on to their employees on good faith?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 9, 2018 0:09:30 GMT -5
What part of banned are you not getting Where does being injured, having to take care of personal business, or an act of mother nature fit on this scale at all compared to being banned to perform in another country It means that people are unable to perform because of circumstances beyond their control. But here's the thing, no one is saying WWE is obligated to pay the women This is a sign of good faith to them due to WWE pushing the equality of both genders and it would look very hypocritical for them to push this narrative and pay people like the sumo guy or babtunda because they were able to make it while the women were not I see nothing wrong with showing signs of goodwill and showing the women they actually matter and what they say isn't lip service. Saudi Arabia may not have wanted them to perform but that doesn't mean they can't share some of that good stack of money they from them to their stars who bust their ass all year long
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 0:16:53 GMT -5
This is definitely one of those things where it feels like everyone's gotta have an opinion on everything. I don't really agree with the tone which people are disagreeing with JR but it's WWE's money to give. If they paid the women, they paid the women, so good for them, I don't see why anyone on the outside of that should be disappointed. It's not like they'd have stayed home if they were booked.
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on May 9, 2018 0:18:55 GMT -5
What a f***ing potato
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 9, 2018 0:28:56 GMT -5
But it's really not that simple: to run a PPV you have to rent a building, have to run ads, have to pay your live production people, logistical staff, make videos and graphics, pay for gas and trucks and hotel rooms... The company would have to go to great expense to arbitrarily make people "earn" a bonus from the company having a big financial windfall that changed plans and led to the cancellation of house shows they were supposed to be booked for that weekend anyway. Look at all the shows they have every year, they can easily do an all-female show. So you rather drag a full process of creating a show for them to "earn" their money instead of simply giving them a bonus? Haven't they technically earned it already if that's the case since House Shows and events they would have worked that weekend got cancelled due to the Saudi Arabia show?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 9, 2018 0:32:19 GMT -5
Look at all the shows they have every year, they can easily do an all-female show. So you rather drag a full process of creating a show for them to "earn" their money instead of simply giving them a bonus? I don't see that as a negative personally. I'd be down for watchng it and I think it'd be the perfect excuse to do an all woman show. Especially wth the delicious irony of using the Saudi money to fund it. Sends a damn good message IMO. As a cash bonus or as an earned check from an exclusive show. Long as they get paid I think it's cool.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 9, 2018 0:34:20 GMT -5
Look at all the shows they have every year, they can easily do an all-female show. So you rather drag a full process of creating a show for them to "earn" their money instead of simply giving them a bonus? Haven't they technically earned it already if that's the case since House Shows and events they would have worked that weekend got cancelled due to the Saudi Arabia show? not to mention if they make an all new show to make up for it the company loses money as they don't just have to pay the female workers they'd have to... Rent a building, potentially pay for the security, get the production trucks, ring crew, referees, camera guys, light techs, sound techs, and everything else that goes into a production.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 9, 2018 0:34:42 GMT -5
So you rather drag a full process of creating a show for them to "earn" their money instead of simply giving them a bonus? I don't see that as a negative personally. I'd be down for watchng it and I think it'd be the perfect excuse to do an all woman show. Especially wth the delicious irony of using the Saudi money to fund it. Sends a damn good message IMO. Don't get me wrong I would like to see it as well but i'm using "earn" in context of people saying they need to work for it I originally thought they would give the women their own PPV show for the Network due to this but that can still come. I was just purely talking in terms of the money they are earning now
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 9, 2018 0:35:29 GMT -5
But it's really not that simple: to run a PPV you have to rent a building, have to run ads, have to pay your live production people, logistical staff, make videos and graphics, pay for gas and trucks and hotel rooms... The company would have to go to great expense to arbitrarily make people "earn" a bonus from the company having a big financial windfall that changed plans and led to the cancellation of house shows they were supposed to be booked for that weekend anyway. Look at all the shows they have every year, they can easily do an all-female show. Yes but each show is a major financial investment. They have their schedule laid out, I don't see how it's more reasonable to change that schedule or cram another show in somewhere to make them "earn" a bonus than it is to just give them some extra money because of a dicey and controversial situation. I just can't believe we have a situation where WWE took a windfall of extra money they had for what basically amounted to a huge bribe big enough to be worth any bad press, did a nice thing with some of it to sort of make up for that, and people have to crawl out of the sewers bitterly complaining that someone got money they didn't "earn".
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 9, 2018 0:39:58 GMT -5
So you rather drag a full process of creating a show for them to "earn" their money instead of simply giving them a bonus? Haven't they technically earned it already if that's the case since House Shows and events they would have worked that weekend got cancelled due to the Saudi Arabia show? not to mention if they make an all new show to make up for it the company loses money as they don't just have to pay the female workers they'd have to... Rent a building, potentially pay for the security, get the production trucks, ring crew, referees, camera guys, light techs, sound techs, and everything else that goes into a production. Correct I assumed this was the alternative WWE was going for instead of just outright paying them a bonus. This wouldn't have been bad at all, in fact it would have been great but WWE eliminated that step by paying them but that's not the say you still can't do an all women's show at some point in the future
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 0:44:45 GMT -5
Look at all the shows they have every year, they can easily do an all-female show. Yes but each show is a major financial investment. They have their schedule laid out, I don't see how it's more reasonable to change that schedule or cram another show in somewhere to make them "earn" a bonus than it is to just give them some extra money because of a dicey and controversial situation. I just can't believe we have a situation where WWE took a windfall of extra money they had for what basically amounted to a huge bribe big enough to be worth any bad press, did a nice thing with some of it to sort of make up for that, and people have to crawl out of the sewers bitterly complaining that someone got money they didn't "earn". Combination of misogyny (not accusing anyone here of that, but it's pretty rife towards the women's division in general) and people who want to beat WWE with every stick available even if it's not actually something worthy of it. It's not like you have to struggle to find reasons to criticize the company, but some will stretch to turn everything into a negative. Real "if they walked on water it would be because they couldn't swim" territory.
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Post by King Boo on May 9, 2018 1:13:38 GMT -5
As a woman, some of the refusal to understand these particular circumstances, and how WWE did a great thing to make up for it, is really disheartening.
It's like the thought process is that equality comes in "earning" something, without realizing that the *actual* equality comes in recognizing the women as performers just as valued as the men in spite of a situation that was telling them they weren't.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 9, 2018 1:19:05 GMT -5
*shrug*
JRs entitled to his opinion, and it's one of sound nature.
WWE was cool (see: "smart") to pay the female talent for going ahead and running something in a place backwards enough where they couldn't compete.
Like..I don't really see a lot of controversy either way.
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Post by smoof on May 9, 2018 2:15:23 GMT -5
After actually listening to it, Imma say "I don't disargee" and/or "Fair enough".
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Post by Woo on May 9, 2018 2:34:26 GMT -5
I can't belive King is being gentlemen like and JR is being a misogynist twat.
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