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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 22:08:46 GMT -5
But don’t you have to work to get paid. I don’t see what the issue is. You don’t work you don’t get paid. That’s how jobs work Because the reason why someone isn't working is just as important. Preventing someone from making money due to discrimination is not the same thing as how simplistically you phrase it. This is so blown out of proportion. The WWE does 200+ shows a year, I doubt anyone on the roster makes every show. In the last month, they have been flying across the world back and forth. Most women were probably thinking "I don't have to take a long ass flight into a stupid desert and instead I can just chill at home for a weekend? Sounds good to me." You're projecting. You have no idea how they feel about it. Remember they say about 'assuming.' Plus, there's a big difference between not being booked for a show, and being left off of one when in regular circumstances you would be on it. Especially when big money is involved. Well the same could be said the opposite way. It's an assumption that the girls were personally hurt by this or care. Maybe some do, but if I put myself in their position, I'd probably like the time off.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 22:09:44 GMT -5
I really struggle to say a single good thing about Jim Ross anymore if I'm being honest. Guy's a total ass and not even a competent one.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 8, 2018 22:12:40 GMT -5
This is so blown out of proportion. The WWE does 200+ shows a year, I doubt anyone on the roster makes every show. In the last month, they have been flying across the world back and forth. Most women were probably thinking "I don't have to take a long ass flight into a stupid desert and instead I can just chill at home for a weekend? Sounds good to me." I mean I agree it's being blown out of proportion, but more in the sense that "WWE gave a make-good bonus to the women not booked for their huge 'we're bringing everyone' card apropos of nothing and under no pressure from anyone" has a lot of people trying to speak for strangers or claim they didn't 'earn' it and that it's therefore bad.
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Post by Starshine on May 8, 2018 22:19:29 GMT -5
Because the reason why someone isn't working is just as important. Preventing someone from making money due to discrimination is not the same thing as how simplistically you phrase it. You're projecting. You have no idea how they feel about it. Remember they say about 'assuming.' Plus, there's a big difference between not being booked for a show, and being left off of one when in regular circumstances you would be on it. Especially when big money is involved. Well the same could be said the opposite way. It's an assumption that the girls were personally hurt by this or care. Maybe some do, but if I put myself in their position, I'd probably like the time off. But we can assume they want to make money, no?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 8, 2018 22:21:49 GMT -5
But don’t you have to work to get paid. I don’t see what the issue is. You don’t work you don’t get paid. That’s how jobs work Except this isn't a simple job because they wasn't allowed to work WWE is giving these women money because they earn it all year long and threw no fault of their own they weren't allowed the privilege to perform in Saudi Arabia This goes a long towards goodwill with the ladies and practicing what you preach about equality
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 22:28:04 GMT -5
Well the same could be said the opposite way. It's an assumption that the girls were personally hurt by this or care. Maybe some do, but if I put myself in their position, I'd probably like the time off. But we can assume they want to make money, no? Yes, and the WWE should pay them the amount they're legally obligated to stipulated by the contract.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 22:32:04 GMT -5
But we can assume they want to make money, no? Yes, and the WWE should pay them the amount they're legally obligated to stipulated by the contract. Shrugs. I assume they never anticipated the situation and, when they had to deal with it, they dealt with it in this fashion. Their company, their reaction to the situation, and they didn't break any laws.
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on May 8, 2018 22:32:29 GMT -5
Stupid comment, but there's been an undercurrent of JR being an asshole for DECADES. Him being brilliant in the attitude era and Vince wanting to make fun of him has given him a massive let off, but there's stories of him being an egotistical sexist asshole going back to the 80s, the guy drowned a bag full of puppies when he was a kid and thought it was a fun anecdote for goodness sake. I liked his work, I do like his dry humour at times, but I've long since realised he's just not a very nice guy. Wait.....what No, all you guys have this story wrong. JR writes in his book that growing up his father had a female dog that he would breed and sell the pups for a little extra money. Once, they kept a male puppy from one of the litters. One of JR's jobs when he was young was to feed the dogs. His father told him not to let the male dog in with the female (his mother). One day, JR's dad comes home to find both dogs together, as JR had left one of the cage doors open by accident. Of course, you know what happened. The dog gave birth to inbred puppies. JR's dad, not wanting to sell people inbred pups and ruin his reputation, one day handed JR a bag with the inbred pups inside and a hammer and told him to do down to the water and kill them. JR did what he was told because he knew he'd f***ed up and their were consequences when you f*** up. JR commented that he was extremely upset by this, as was his dad. Neither his dad or him took pleasure in killing those dogs and nothing about that incident did JR find "fun". He put it in his book to let people know when you f*** up, it has consequences. Before you bash someone, please get the facts straight. Why should the women get paid? They wren't on the card. They were home with their families enjoying some well deserved time off. Should Zayn get paid too? The people who should get paid are the people who had to fly all the way there and put on the show. You're telling me Charlotte should get paid the same as Bryan, who wrestled for over an hour? Give me a break. If WWE wants to hold an all female PPV to make up for it, I'll gladly watch it.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 22:42:08 GMT -5
I love how you guys are playing the semantics game about this in effort to be more correct than each other when obviously the problem people had originally is his attitude and presentation about it and seemingly mind-blowing level of ignorance in how he talks about the women not working to earn something they had no chance to earn.
No, people aren't saying they should get paid for not working (HURRR DURR, come on guys) but they are saying they should be given the opportunities to, which that show didn't provide, and for some reason the WWE doesn't think they are due some sort of opportunity outside of it to make up for it.
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Post by bcdx97 on May 8, 2018 22:46:09 GMT -5
Dennis Stamp never got paid when he wasn’t booked!
Then again, he’s also not considered “indecent” in Saudi Arabia - even if he should be.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 8, 2018 22:54:45 GMT -5
No, all you guys have this story wrong. JR writes in his book that growing up his father had a female dog that he would breed and sell the pups for a little extra money. Once, they kept a male puppy from one of the litters. One of JR's jobs when he was young was to feed the dogs. His father told him not to let the male dog in with the female (his mother). One day, JR's dad comes home to find both dogs together, as JR had left one of the cage doors open by accident. Of course, you know what happened. The dog gave birth to inbred puppies. JR's dad, not wanting to sell people inbred pups and ruin his reputation, one day handed JR a bag with the inbred pups inside and a hammer and told him to do down to the water and kill them. JR did what he was told because he knew he'd f***ed up and their were consequences when you f*** up. JR commented that he was extremely upset by this, as was his dad. Neither his dad or him took pleasure in killing those dogs and nothing about that incident did JR find "fun". He put it in his book to let people know when you f*** up, it has consequences. Before you bash someone, please get the facts straight. Why should the women get paid? They wren't on the card. They were home with their families enjoying some well deserved time off. Should Zayn get paid too? The people who should get paid are the people who had to fly all the way there and put on the show. You're telling me Charlotte should get paid the same as Bryan, who wrestled for over an hour? Give me a break. If WWE wants to hold an all female PPV to make up for it, I'll gladly watch it. Thank you for the clarification.
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Post by benstudd on May 8, 2018 23:10:38 GMT -5
Like I said, give them their own PPV so they can earn it. But it's really not that simple: to run a PPV you have to rent a building, have to run ads, have to pay your live production people, logistical staff, make videos and graphics, pay for gas and trucks and hotel rooms... The company would have to go to great expense to arbitrarily make people "earn" a bonus from the company having a big financial windfall that changed plans and led to the cancellation of house shows they were supposed to be booked for that weekend anyway. Look at all the shows they have every year, they can easily do an all-female show.
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Post by benstudd on May 8, 2018 23:12:52 GMT -5
I really struggle to say a single good thing about Jim Ross anymore if I'm being honest. Guy's a total ass and not even a competent one. Why do people who disagree with what someone is saying have to demonizes him like he's a bad person? That is JR's view and it's not yours, doesn't make him a bad person or stupid or whatever.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 23:13:41 GMT -5
I really struggle to say a single good thing about Jim Ross anymore if I'm being honest. Guy's a total ass and not even a competent one. Why do people who disagree with what someone is saying have to demonizes him like he's a bad person? That is JR's view and it's not yours, doesn't make him a bad person or stupid or whatever. Yeah, but when he routinely says stupid shit like this, combined with the years worth of stories about him, yeah, absolutely a bad person.
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Post by benstudd on May 8, 2018 23:15:55 GMT -5
Why do people who disagree with what someone is saying have to demonizes him like he's a bad person? That is JR's view and it's not yours, doesn't make him a bad person or stupid or whatever. Yeah, but when he routinely says stupid shit like this, combined with the years worth of stories about him, yeah, absolutely a bad person. I have never heard of bad stories that would make me think he's a bad person.
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Post by Mayonnaise on May 8, 2018 23:23:17 GMT -5
Well this thread is depressing. WWE does right by a group of people who miss one of the biggest pay days because of something out of both parties hands and are getting vilified for it. I just cannot see why this idea getting any blowback. And for the KSA's demands of no women, the KSA basically gave them a paid vacation.
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Post by tekkenguy on May 8, 2018 23:40:11 GMT -5
I agree with him. You're not entitled to be paid for doing nothing. Should men be paid for an all-women's PPV?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 8, 2018 23:45:50 GMT -5
I agree with him. You're not entitled to be paid for doing nothing. Should men be paid for an all-women's PPV?That's not the same Are the men going to Planet Amazonia or Themyscira to be banned from wrestling because the women were BANNED and NOT ABLE TO PERFORM in Saudi Arabia
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 8, 2018 23:48:06 GMT -5
Well this thread is depressing. WWE does right by a group of people who miss one of the biggest pay days because of something out of both parties hands and are getting vilified for it. I just cannot see why this idea getting any blowback. And for the KSA's demands of no women, the KSA basically gave them a paid vacation. Right and I bet you if they asked the women they would have rather wrestled on the show but they can't I don't see how people can miss the intention of this being a sign of goodwill and actually putting their word where their mouth is in terms of trying to treat the women equally
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Post by tekkenguy on May 8, 2018 23:49:35 GMT -5
I agree with him. You're not entitled to be paid for doing nothing. Should men be paid for an all-women's PPV?That's not the same Are the men going to Planet Amazonia or Themyscira to be banned from wrestling because the women were BANNED and NOT ABLE TO PERFORM in Saudi Arabia Were the RAW wrestlers paid for the show the week of the Iceland volcano eruption? Are wrestlers paid when they are injured or absent due to personal commitments?
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