Fauxnaki
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Post by Fauxnaki on May 14, 2018 3:03:40 GMT -5
BREAKING NEWS: Man f***s corpse
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Post by Old Jack Burton on May 19, 2018 11:32:42 GMT -5
Comparisons of wrestling to movies or television shows never quite work out right. Wrestling is wrestling. One of the reasons I love it are the in-character interviews in the media. I really don't see HOW it's different. Wrestling is different because almost nothing else takes it as far as it does with kayfabe. Kayfabe is not just "it's fake". Kayfabe is the presentation of a person's entire life as a story. Some other things which are heavily kayfabe'd: Keeping Up With The Kardashians and most popular reality television Instagram and Youtube Beef/Dramas The persona presented by most porn stars and cam girls Many musicians The aura surrounding certain popular actors Wrestling's kayfabe has entered a strange meta situation where more people are aware of the kayfabe than in the above listed industries. This makes it into a fascinating type of performance art that has become rather abstract and detached. -everyone- knows its fake, but it is presented as not fake most of the time. In this sense pro wrestling is almost avant garde compared to everything else.
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segaz
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Post by segaz on May 19, 2018 21:10:55 GMT -5
I really don't see HOW it's different. Wrestling is different because almost nothing else takes it as far as it does with kayfabe. Kayfabe is not just "it's fake". Kayfabe is the presentation of a person's entire life as a story. Some other things which are heavily kayfabe'd: Keeping Up With The Kardashians and most popular reality television Instagram and Youtube Beef/Dramas The persona presented by most porn stars and cam girls Many musicians The aura surrounding certain popular actors Wrestling's kayfabe has entered a strange meta situation where more people are aware of the kayfabe than in the above listed industries. This makes it into a fascinating type of performance art that has become rather abstract and detached. -everyone- knows its fake, but it is presented as not fake most of the time. In this sense pro wrestling is almost avant garde compared to everything else. people like yourself explain perfectly what I'm trying to say with far less words and more eloquently. Thanks. I bet you, because you have presented yourself as articulate won't get any kneejerk snarky comments like "lol does nancy Cartwright pretend to be really Bart Simpson in real life also" or "book is fake, game is fake, movie is fake, theatre is fake, wrestling is....real??!?"
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 0:46:10 GMT -5
I don’t understand what Meltzer’s problem is beyond the fact that if SI & ESPN etc start covering wrestling, he becomes a dinosaur even more quickly. I like that he essentially called himself a fake journalist.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 20, 2018 1:04:59 GMT -5
I really don't see HOW it's different. Wrestling is different because almost nothing else takes it as far as it does with kayfabe. Kayfabe is not just "it's fake". Kayfabe is the presentation of a person's entire life as a story. Some other things which are heavily kayfabe'd: Keeping Up With The Kardashians and most popular reality television Instagram and Youtube Beef/Dramas The persona presented by most porn stars and cam girls Many musicians The aura surrounding certain popular actors Wrestling's kayfabe has entered a strange meta situation where more people are aware of the kayfabe than in the above listed industries. This makes it into a fascinating type of performance art that has become rather abstract and detached. -everyone- knows its fake, but it is presented as not fake most of the time. In this sense pro wrestling is almost avant garde compared to everything else. I still don't see the point at all. We know it's fake, they know we know it's fake... going to Sports Illustrated a supposed news magazine giving a full kayfabe interview which we all know is bullshit helps nobody. It makes Sports Illustrated look bad because it's giving free advertising to wrestling at the expense of their journalistic integrity. the person giving the interview gets no heat or anything because... again WE KNOW IT'S BULLSHIT. if this was a WWE magazine or an Apter mag that is 100% in kayfabe it'd be different but it's supposed to be an actual news source. Kayfabe is dead and buried and trying to act like it can be resurrected or it's fine and dandy isn't going to work... ESPECIALLY since we live in a world with cell phone cameras and instant access to every single piece of information can be looked up in an instant on the internet
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Post by Old Jack Burton on May 20, 2018 2:48:28 GMT -5
I still don't see the point at all. The point is to create a unique form of entertainment. There is nothing else in the world like professional wrestling, and this dedication to keeping in character in television interviews, fans meetings, and in online personas is a massive part of that. A part which many people find as entertaining as the actual wrestling shows. I enjoy seeing The Miz being The Miz when being interviewed for television, as if he were a real person. I think it's fascinating to try to ascertain where the wrestler ends and the real person begins. And in some cases, I don't think even the wrestler themselves could tell you the answer to that question. Wrestlers, for the most part, only play one role for most of their careers. How many actors do that? Very few, and those that do often end up taking on some of the aspects of their character, or vice versa. Wrestling goes even further with it. They live the character. Wanting to see "out of character" interviews from wrestlers... I don't know if its 100% possible (or if I'd even want to see it). Not in the cases of the most interesting wrestlers. You can get them to talk about the technical side of wrestling. About the history and the behind the scenes events we'd be curious about. But even when they do that they are still working. Perhaps ESPN should not take a side in this, since whatever wrestling is, it's for sure not a legitimate sport. But other parts of the media are all part of show business, and playing along with WWE is just being further along the spectrum of unreality than the usual treatment they give to actors and musicians. I wouldn't want them to change it. If they did, a part of why I watch wrestling would go with it.
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on May 20, 2018 2:50:10 GMT -5
It's 2018 nothing makes sense we're all in hell who cares nothing matters
Meltzer sounds like me when a llama slips into one of the alpaca instagram accounts that I follow. "THAT'S NOT YOUR JOB!
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