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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 19:22:31 GMT -5
A heel who just stands in the ring, refusing to move. No motivation. He just doesn't want to move.  The Great Khali? Not a guy who CAN'T move! |
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Post by Nikki Heyman on May 16, 2018 19:35:17 GMT -5
A League of Shadows type organisation, who claim to have been behind decades of heel villainy. For example, they influenced the creation of the NWO to successfully undermine and destroy WCW and also arranged the Montreal screwjob to eliminate Bret Hart. I've thought about something like this for years. But on a level where a heel would ultimately find a way to totally disrupt the power structure in the WWE. One of the main problems is we know it will always be a Vince/Stephanie/HHH ran show. As long as that exist, why would you invest in a company where you know how high the ceiling is and that being the champion means you at least 3 people down on the totem pole. Some one who coulf figure out how to convincingly make it appear that they have found a way change the ovetall perception could create something truly new and fresh. Though logically HHH WOULD be a good candidate for this full undermining, but I'd want to see him take it all the way to the McMahons by claiming that he bought the company out from under Vince AND Stephanie.... -He sent Nash, Hall and X-pac to WCW to bring down Hogan along with the rest of WCW. When that didn't work he sent Vince Russo. -To some, he is complicit in the Montreal Screwjob and backed Shawn -he convinced HBK to come back in 2002 and got Hall and Nash a "thank you" nWo run -As a thank you for putting up with practically being banned from Canada, HHH and HBK reform DX and arrange the reconciliation with Bret Hart -Nexus, I'll just put this here:  -the Shield did work for him briefly before their face turn -He's improved his self-image with running NXT I don't think it should get him back in the ring, but him getting WWE from the McMahons would be a hell of a story. |
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Post by the2ndevil on May 16, 2018 19:55:09 GMT -5
I’ve always wanted a heel, on the verge of losing an I Quit Match To grab a child from the front row, threaten said child with violence, forcing the face to quit to save the child.
Imagine that being the way a heel won the WWE Championship. The heat would be massive.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 16, 2018 20:01:54 GMT -5
I've thought about something like this for years. But on a level where a heel would ultimately find a way to totally disrupt the power structure in the WWE. One of the main problems is we know it will always be a Vince/Stephanie/HHH ran show. As long as that exist, why would you invest in a company where you know how high the ceiling is and that being the champion means you at least 3 people down on the totem pole. Some one who coulf figure out how to convincingly make it appear that they have found a way change the ovetall perception could create something truly new and fresh. Though logically HHH WOULD be a good candidate for this full undermining, but I'd want to see him take it all the way to the McMahons by claiming that he bought the company out from under Vince AND Stephanie.... -He sent Nash, Hall and X-pac to WCW to bring down Hogan along with the rest of WCW. When that didn't work he sent Vince Russo. -To some, he is complicit in the Montreal Screwjob and backed Shawn -he convinced HBK to come back in 2002 and got Hall and Nash a "thank you" nWo run -As a thank you for putting up with practically being banned from Canada, HHH and HBK reform DX and arrange the reconciliation with Bret Hart -Nexus, I'll just put this here: -the Shield did work for him briefly before their face turn -He's improved his self-image with running NXT I don't think it should get him back in the ring, but him getting WWE from the McMahons would be a hell of a story. This idea is so exciting. It's something they'd sadly never do because it'd shake the foundation of the weekly shows forcing them to alter the overall presentation. And if they did do it, you just know they'd paint Vince and Stephanie out as babyface victims who eventually got the company back. If they were ever willing to commit, though, the story would be awesome. |
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Post by Reflecto on May 16, 2018 20:07:40 GMT -5
It's happened a few times on the indies in the past few years, but for WWE form:
You have this incredibly hated villain who's crossed the line on faces so many times that it's not even funny anymore (think a Triple H, for example.)
They finally turn babyface. Everyone's happy...
..and then some babyface who had felt the brunt of their problems turns heel in large part because he just can't forgive the person for the atrocities they commited to him and everyone else, and honestly he thinks less of the fans for being willing to forgive this guy just because he does it to heels now.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 16, 2018 20:17:34 GMT -5
I want Bayley to turn heel but suck at it, like Butters as Professor Chaos Give her Jazzy Gabert as an over-the-top vicious henchman that even Bayley is scared of She has to be the Hug Thug, she will hug you whether you want it or not. and her finisher is of course the bear hug. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 16, 2018 20:18:57 GMT -5
It's happened a few times on the indies in the past few years, but for WWE form: You have this incredibly hated villain who's crossed the line on faces so many times that it's not even funny anymore (think a Triple H, for example.) They finally turn babyface. Everyone's happy... ..and then some babyface who had felt the brunt of their problems turns heel in large part because he just can't forgive the person for the atrocities they commited to him and everyone else, and honestly he thinks less of the fans for being willing to forgive this guy just because he does it to heels now. That was sorta the basis of the original Slaughter Heel turn. I say sorta it was more based on the fans started cheering Nikolai Volkoff and Sarge refusing to believe people could cheer for "The enemy" |
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Post by fw91 on May 16, 2018 20:21:05 GMT -5
It's happened a few times on the indies in the past few years, but for WWE form: You have this incredibly hated villain who's crossed the line on faces so many times that it's not even funny anymore (think a Triple H, for example.) They finally turn babyface. Everyone's happy... ..and then some babyface who had felt the brunt of their problems turns heel in large part because he just can't forgive the person for the atrocities they commited to him and everyone else, and honestly he thinks less of the fans for being willing to forgive this guy just because he does it to heels now. That was sorta the basis of the original Slaughter Heel turn. I say sorta it was more based on the fans started cheering Nikolai Volkoff and Sarge refusing to believe people could cheer for "The enemy" If they weren't in such a hurry to return to the Shield cash cow, they could have done this idea well with Ambrose/Rollins. |
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Post by BorneAgain on May 16, 2018 20:25:04 GMT -5
I've always wanted to see a WWE heel who had allies in the production truck, so he's constantly using it as shameless self promotion. Video packages suggesting his 5 minute matches are match of year candidates, scrolling text at the bottom of the screen highlighting his supposed success with women, slowly changing the opening Raw/Smackdown theme over time to only feature him, and even main event matches getting split screened to show him doing mundane activities like him showing off his rental car.
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Post by Sparvid on May 16, 2018 20:39:07 GMT -5
This would be tricky, but someone who takes the internal logic of wrestling and exploits it. Like, they don't break the fourth wall, but they realize stuff that has them constantly deny the audience narrative satisfaction. Like, if they have a personal issue with someone, they know that beating them in a wrestling match doesn't remotely solve the issue. So they refuse to have blow-off matches because they know it wouldn't solve anything. Or like, the commissioner puts them in a match with someone like Strowman to punish them, and the dude just forfeits the match and leaves, because why on earth even have that fight? They interview them later, "Uh, it's not like I get anything if I win, so who cares?" And the Royal Rumble or the MitB match have rules that are just dyyyyiiiing to be exploited in this way. Dude, just hang out in the audience or something while everyone tumbles off of ladders, and then after each big spot, run up and try to get the briefcase. If anyone comes near, run away again. Repeat until you finally win. Instead of bothering with wrestling in #1 contendership matches, he just keeps attacking champions backstage when there's a PPV coming up. |
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Post by Nikki Heyman on May 16, 2018 22:04:34 GMT -5
I've always wanted to see a WWE heel who had allies in the production truck, so he's constantly using it as shameless self promotion. Video packages suggesting his 5 minute matches are match of year candidates, scrolling text at the bottom of the screen highlighting his supposed success with women, slowly changing the opening Raw/Smackdown theme over time to only feature him, and even main event matches getting split screened to show him doing mundane activities like him showing off his rental car. It makes me think of Orton during the RNN days. We need another go with this, just not sure who could do it right now. |
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Post by Urethra Franklin on May 16, 2018 22:08:36 GMT -5
The losing streak gimmick, but the guy just doesn’t give a f*** about it.
Instead of cutting a promo about how he vows to win tonight to end his streak, he says stuff like, “Win or lose, I’m making more money than you people will ever see in your lifetimes and you spent your money to watch me make mine.”
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Post by Reflecto on May 16, 2018 22:55:39 GMT -5
With the Roman Reigns hatred right now seeming to be at the tipping point:
I think it'd be interesting to see a babyface turn heel because he DEFENDS Roman Reigns. He starts out as friends with Reigns, and he spends time as Roman's hype man and sidekick.
Then, he hears the boos that happen from Reigns, and he slowly goes from being a hypeman, to "You're being hard on this guy for [x, y, and z]", to "What do you people want from him?", to slowly but surely get disillusioned with the fans because of the hatred.
Naturally, Roman himself sees him get disillusioned with the fans, turns his back on the now-heel, and summarily dispatches this heel while saying the fans have the right to boo or cheer whoever they want- because even in a theoretical world like this, Roman's staying face.
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Post by Larryhausen on May 16, 2018 23:01:40 GMT -5
A triumphant hero that crushes all his enemies and fights for what's right, but super nonchalantly mentions eating babies in every promo. But I wanna tell you something that's important to me right now. I need to take this moment, and I need to tell you something as Dwayne: It's been a long time since I've been back, seven years to be exact. But I wanna take this moment, in the middle of this ring, to tell you why I'm back. It's not because of the money, it's not to promote a movie, it's not so I can eat your young; I am back in the middle of this ring because of you. |
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on May 17, 2018 3:41:42 GMT -5
My former housemate currently has the gimmick of being an unashamed Liverpool supporter and will start an horribly biased argument in an empty room and wil not listen to reason. I sometimes want to smash his face in. I think that attitude could translate over to TV. So he wants to see this... |
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Post by Ryushinku on May 17, 2018 4:07:30 GMT -5
Really, a bunch of the 80s Hogan stuff played as babyface would work great for a heel.
Such as, standing on the ring apron nearly all of a tag match as your partner gets pummelled, only to come in at the end for thirty seconds of moves and the pin then celebrating (and HAWTDOGGIN') solo for a long time while your partner is half-dead and crawling about on the outside.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 4:24:40 GMT -5
(anywhere outside London in the UK)
Heel would talk about his great tourist experience in London and asks why WWE would even bother going anywhere else in the country.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on May 17, 2018 4:59:51 GMT -5
I’ve always wanted a heel, on the verge of losing an I Quit Match To grab a child from the front row, threaten said child with violence, forcing the face to quit to save the child. Imagine that being the way a heel won the WWE Championship. The heat would be massive. This has to happen to Bayley and Izzy at some point. |
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Post by segaz on May 17, 2018 6:37:28 GMT -5
This would be tricky, but someone who takes the internal logic of wrestling and exploits it. Like, they don't break the fourth wall, but they realize stuff that has them constantly deny the audience narrative satisfaction. Like, if they have a personal issue with someone, they know that beating them in a wrestling match doesn't remotely solve the issue. So they refuse to have blow-off matches because they know it wouldn't solve anything. Or like, the commissioner puts them in a match with someone like Strowman to punish them, and the dude just forfeits the match and leaves, because why on earth even have that fight? They interview them later, "Uh, it's not like I get anything if I win, so who cares?" And the Royal Rumble or the MitB match have rules that are just dyyyyiiiing to be exploited in this way. Dude, just hang out in the audience or something while everyone tumbles off of ladders, and then after each big spot, run up and try to get the briefcase. If anyone comes near, run away again. Repeat until you finally win. I don't know about openly exploiting the rules but i like what you are saying. This would force WWE to give out kayfabe reasons why the match should matter (winner's purse/fines) and so compell us to watch the match rather than consistently go "well it's a hell in the cell, why turn up for it? You could get injured" As a slimey heel trying to back out it works. As a lol common sense heel it might fall flat unless you understand exactly how to walk that line. See Punk, CM. Even that "phil Brooks talking to Paul levesque" line still makes sense in kayfabe if you think about it EDIT: there are so many deep interesting ideas in this thread. Just small ways but actually have a lot of weight behind them. I can't quote them all but I love all of them. There is still so many avenues for stories and characters in wrestling, even if at the core they are the same old retold over and over. Except for maybe eating babies. |
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Post by Mr T L Wolf on May 17, 2018 7:14:01 GMT -5
A heel who just stands in the ring, refusing to move. No motivation. He just doesn't want to move. I had one kind of similar. Say like a famous athlete (Rousey?) just like the fame and money from WWE but did t want to wrestle. They’d try to avoid wrestling at all costs and when in a match just like tap out to side headlocks or get pinned after snapmares since they don’t wanna wrestle. I remember Chavo doing that in WCW once. He had a Cruiserweight title shot (IIRC) later in the night but he had to go through Uncle Eddie first. So he offered a handshake, tapped out to it, and walked to the back. |
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