Lt. Palumbo
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on May 16, 2018 15:33:03 GMT -5
Pretty much any time WWE are in the UK it sets me thinking about two kinds of heel schtick I'd love to see:
1. Intentionally OTT attempt at heeling and missing the mark
Example:
"Hey Britian, I know why you guys don't like me [dramatic pause] It's because [super dramatic pause] I DON'T LIKE THE QUEEN. Woah...yeah, I said it, deal with it! Oh and another thing...I don't care for Manchester United [over the top "did I just say that?" face]
Think along the lines of Carmella's heeling on SDL this week missing the mark only doing so intentionally. The real heelishness of it being that you don't care enough about us as an audience to find out what we really like.
2. Effectively the exact opposite - Misguided attempts at cheap pops.
Example:
Say it's a show in Dublin.
"Hello London, I'm so glad to be here!!!"
*Massive boo's from the crowd*
"Woah, I dunno what the problem is, you guys paid me thousands of pounds just to be here!"
The second one was I suppose somewhat realized by Positive Attitude Bo Dallas, but I'd love to see someone like Elias do it as if he's a touring act who has no idea where he is, nor does he really care.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 16, 2018 15:38:23 GMT -5
I want Bayley to turn heel but suck at it, like Butters as Professor Chaos
Give her Jazzy Gabert as an over-the-top vicious henchman that even Bayley is scared of
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HardKore
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Post by HardKore on May 16, 2018 15:42:44 GMT -5
I want Bayley to turn heel but suck at it, like Butters as Professor Chaos Give her Jazzy Gabert as an over-the-top vicious henchman that even Bayley is scared of She has to be the Hug Thug, she will hug you whether you want it or not.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 16, 2018 15:44:12 GMT -5
I'd be down to see any two wrestlers take a stab at a "smark" and "sjw" heel personas.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 16, 2018 15:51:34 GMT -5
This would be tricky, but someone who takes the internal logic of wrestling and exploits it. Like, they don't break the fourth wall, but they realize stuff that has them constantly deny the audience narrative satisfaction. Like, if they have a personal issue with someone, they know that beating them in a wrestling match doesn't remotely solve the issue. So they refuse to have blow-off matches because they know it wouldn't solve anything.
Or like, the commissioner puts them in a match with someone like Strowman to punish them, and the dude just forfeits the match and leaves, because why on earth even have that fight? They interview them later, "Uh, it's not like I get anything if I win, so who cares?"
And the Royal Rumble or the MitB match have rules that are just dyyyyiiiing to be exploited in this way. Dude, just hang out in the audience or something while everyone tumbles off of ladders, and then after each big spot, run up and try to get the briefcase. If anyone comes near, run away again. Repeat until you finally win.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 15:51:58 GMT -5
A heel who just stands in the ring, refusing to move. No motivation. He just doesn't want to move.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 16, 2018 15:58:43 GMT -5
This would be tricky, but someone who takes the internal logic of wrestling and exploits it. Like, they don't break the fourth wall, but they realize stuff that has them constantly deny the audience narrative satisfaction. Like, if they have a personal issue with someone, they know that beating them in a wrestling match doesn't remotely solve the issue. So they refuse to have blow-off matches because they know it wouldn't solve anything. Or like, the commissioner puts them in a match with someone like Strowman to punish them, and the dude just forfeits the match and leaves, because why on earth even have that fight? They interview them later, "Uh, it's not like I get anything if I win, so who cares?" And the Royal Rumble or the MitB match have rules that are just dyyyyiiiing to be exploited in this way. Dude, just hang out in the audience or something while everyone tumbles off of ladders, and then after each big spot, run up and try to get the briefcase. If anyone comes near, run away again. Repeat until you finally win. I like small moments that acknowledge things like this but I don't know if I'd want a whole character Like when Ambrose was barricaded in a room in the back instead of ejected from the arena by the Authority, because "they always get back in the arena anyway"
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Post by Hit Girl on May 16, 2018 16:05:45 GMT -5
A League of Shadows type organisation, who claim to have been behind decades of heel villainy.
For example, they influenced the creation of the NWO to successfully undermine and destroy WCW and also arranged the Montreal screwjob to eliminate Bret Hart.
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Post by Cyno on May 16, 2018 16:14:20 GMT -5
The Jason Jordan shtick turned up to 11. Acts like a face on the surface, but keeps "accidentally" doing heelish things like screwing over the other faces, low blows, weapon shots, etc. Or yells "I'M SORRY!" after every dusty win.
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Pushed to the Moon
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on May 16, 2018 16:24:18 GMT -5
The Jason Jordan shtick turned up to 11. Acts like a face on the surface, but keeps "accidentally" doing heelish things like screwing over the other faces, low blows, weapon shots, etc. Or yells "I'M SORRY!" after every dusty win. Good one. Bayley's weird "I don't like hurting people" phase could have done this. Like asking if the other person is ok after every move and apologising and trying to hug them better.
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"Magic" Mark Hurr
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on May 16, 2018 16:35:10 GMT -5
A League of Shadows type organisation, who claim to have been behind decades of heel villainy. For example, they influenced the creation of the NWO to successfully undermine and destroy WCW and also arranged the Montreal screwjob to eliminate Bret Hart. I've thought about something like this for years. But on a level where a heel would ultimately find a way to totally disrupt the power structure in the WWE. One of the main problems is we know it will always be a Vince/Stephanie/HHH ran show. As long as that exist, why would you invest in a company where you know how high the ceiling is and that being the champion means you at least 3 people down on the totem pole. Some one who coulf figure out how to convincingly make it appear that they have found a way change the ovetall perception could create something truly new and fresh.
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ISO Mid Thigh Pull
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on May 16, 2018 16:35:14 GMT -5
A triumphant hero that crushes all his enemies and fights for what's right, but super nonchalantly mentions eating babies in every promo.
But I wanna tell you something that's important to me right now. I need to take this moment, and I need to tell you something as Dwayne: It's been a long time since I've been back, seven years to be exact. But I wanna take this moment, in the middle of this ring, to tell you why I'm back. It's not because of the money, it's not to promote a movie, it's not so I can eat your young; I am back in the middle of this ring because of you.
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Post by government mule on May 16, 2018 16:52:58 GMT -5
My former housemate currently has the gimmick of being an unashamed Liverpool supporter and will start an horribly biased argument in an empty room and wil not listen to reason. I sometimes want to smash his face in. I think that attitude could translate over to TV.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on May 16, 2018 16:59:07 GMT -5
My former housemate currently has the gimmick of being an unashamed Liverpool supporter and will start an horribly biased argument in an empty room and wil not listen to reason. I sometimes want to smash his face in. I think that attitude could translate over to TV. you lived with Zack Gibson?
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Post by Hit Girl on May 16, 2018 17:01:10 GMT -5
My former housemate currently has the gimmick of being an unashamed Liverpool supporter and will start an horribly biased argument in an empty room and wil not listen to reason. I sometimes want to smash his face in. I think that attitude could translate over to TV. You better hope Real Madrid don't have a bad day,
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Dave the Dave
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Post by Dave the Dave on May 16, 2018 17:29:23 GMT -5
A heel who just stands in the ring, refusing to move. No motivation. He just doesn't want to move. I had one kind of similar. Say like a famous athlete (Rousey?) just like the fame and money from WWE but did t want to wrestle. They’d try to avoid wrestling at all costs and when in a match just like tap out to side headlocks or get pinned after snapmares since they don’t wanna wrestle.
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Bub (BLM)
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 16, 2018 18:29:02 GMT -5
A heel who just stands in the ring, refusing to move. No motivation. He just doesn't want to move. The Great Khali?
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Push R Truth
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Post by Push R Truth on May 16, 2018 18:35:51 GMT -5
Clueless Heel that thinks he's a huge white-meat cheap-pop babyface done in full R=Truth Style
Or a wrestling Ref that very obviously has all the Ref's on his side
Both character would be typical lower card goofballs with a ceiling of tag team champ or Intercontinental/US title if they catch fire. But mostly a Heath Slater type of reliable crowd worker.
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Post by Sephiroth on May 16, 2018 18:39:14 GMT -5
I want Bayley to turn heel but suck at it, like Butters as Professor Chaos Give her Jazzy Gabert as an over-the-top vicious henchman that even Bayley is scared of Wacky flailing arm inflatable MINIONS!
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 16, 2018 19:15:39 GMT -5
Pretty much any time WWE are in the UK it sets me thinking about two kinds of heel schtick I'd love to see: 1. Intentionally OTT attempt at heeling and missing the mark Example: "Hey Britian, I know why you guys don't like me [dramatic pause] It's because [super dramatic pause] I DON'T LIKE THE QUEEN. Woah...yeah, I said it, deal with it! Oh and another thing...I don't care for Manchester United [over the top "did I just say that?" face] Think along the lines of Carmella's heeling on SDL this week missing the mark only doing so intentionally. The real heelishness of it being that you don't care enough about us as an audience to find out what we really like. 2. Effectively the exact opposite - Misguided attempts at cheap pops. Example: Say it's a show in Dublin. "Hello London, I'm so glad to be here!!!" *Massive boo's from the crowd* "Woah, I dunno what the problem is, you guys paid me thousands of pounds just to be here!" The second one was I suppose somewhat realized by Positive Attitude Bo Dallas, but I'd love to see someone like Elias do it as if he's a touring act who has no idea where he is, nor does he really care. Similar to this, I wanna see a guy attempt cheap heat, only to fail miserably. "Y'know, I think your local team sucks so bad, I could beat them in basketball!" /Heel is anticipating booing, but instead gets cheers/
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