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Post by segaz on May 24, 2018 15:41:39 GMT -5
Obviously Bulldog was the most over in the UK, but Bret was definitely 2nd. So it's not that ridiculous a claim to make in my opinion, even if it is untrue. Bret was hugely over all across Europe. He was over, but the most over is a damned stupid thing to say (Even second is questionable when Savage and Warrior were there). It's like Undertaker saying he was the most over guy in Canada in 1997. It also completely ignores Davey Boy and his contributions which is a great disservice. Even in 1992 I think Bret was over. If you go back and see his reactions, he isn't just some popular midcarder. It's tempting to think Davey Boy was more over because he was from the UK, and say Tito Santana was more over in Spain. I don't think it ignores Davey Boy Smith contributions. Do you think Bret is burying Davey Boy, savage and warrior here, and you resent him for it? I agree that Hogan was always likely to out pop him at WM8 and Warriors return also.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 24, 2018 15:51:55 GMT -5
Probanz hasn't had a shoot yet. And is banned from CAC.
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Post by héad.casé on May 24, 2018 17:05:03 GMT -5
Kevin Nash in an RF Video shoot, mentioning how in '94, Vince was watching his matches on a monitor backstage, fawning over him saying to his yes men at the time - "Look how big he is, look how big he is, and he's clean!". I seriously doubt Kevin Nash wasn't juicing around that time. I sort of believe Vince would fawn over him though.
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Post by dav on May 24, 2018 17:28:02 GMT -5
He was over, but the most over is a damned stupid thing to say (Even second is questionable when Savage and Warrior were there). It's like Undertaker saying he was the most over guy in Canada in 1997. It also completely ignores Davey Boy and his contributions which is a great disservice. Even in 1992 I think Bret was over. If you go back and see his reactions, he isn't just some popular midcarder. It's tempting to think Davey Boy was more over because he was from the UK, and say Tito Santana was more over in Spain. I don't think it ignores Davey Boy Smith contributions. Do you think Bret is burying Davey Boy, savage and warrior here, and you resent him for it? I agree that Hogan was always likely to out pop him at WM8 and Warriors return also. It's not tempting to say Davey Boy was more over, it's fact. He's not even acknowledging the other wrestlers by saying it, basically ignoring them. It does feel as if he's not exactly burying them, but dismissing them and claiming the limelight.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 18:17:57 GMT -5
Probanz hasn't had a shoot yet. And is banned from CAC. What a way to treat a guy that once beat Harley Race for the NWA World title and handed out mini nooses to sick kids at the hospital! what a wanker.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 24, 2018 20:54:40 GMT -5
Was Pobanz even a wrestler or did he even lied about that?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 21:05:16 GMT -5
Was Pobanz even a wrestler or did he even lied about that? He might have trained at Jimmy Valiant’s wrestling school like 40 years after he supposedly debuted. lol
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 24, 2018 21:14:17 GMT -5
Lol Pobanz is the most pathetic man in existence.
Ah f*** it I'm gonna start claiming that I'm Uno from Super Smash Bros...
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 24, 2018 21:19:10 GMT -5
Was Pobanz even a wrestler or did he even lied about that? He might have trained at Jimmy Valiant’s wrestling school like 40 years after he supposedly debuted. lol Pretty sure a pic of Probanz as ref has surfaced. I think this was after he won the International sand castle contest then got asked by Hulk Hogan to co star in Baywatch the movie.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 21:44:07 GMT -5
Maybe not ridiculous or inaccurate, but one thing that always stuck in my mind was how Mr. Fuji, when engaging in sexual activity with ring rats after the show, would throw the ceremonial salt over their back while getting them from behind, much like he would the ring post before matches.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 24, 2018 21:47:44 GMT -5
Vince saying basically anything in a shoot is somewhat dubious, but his claims of his family being threatened by various people strike be as particularly exaggerated.
Nothing against Greg Gagne, but the guy has constantly spun some pretty tall tales about his dad and the AWA over the years.
Black Bart had an infamous shoot interview with so much bulls*** spewed, but nothing will top his claim that Fox wanted to make a sitcom with the Desperado's, and that WCW turned it down because they thought the team were too low on the totem pole to get their own show.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on May 24, 2018 23:08:43 GMT -5
Bret Hart claiming he was the most over person in the UK... in 1992. Obviously Bulldog was the most over in the UK, but Bret was definitely 2nd. So it's not that ridiculous a claim to make in my opinion, even if it is untrue. Bret was hugely over all across Europe. I think it's the benefit of hindsight. Vince McMahon saw that match as the trigger to give Bret Hart the top spot in the company, whereas Bulldog did nothing of note since then. It's not unreasonable for Bret to think he was more over than Bulldog at the time.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 24, 2018 23:18:12 GMT -5
Vince saying basically anything in a shoot is somewhat dubious, but his claims of his family being threatened by various people strike be as particularly exaggerated. Nothing against Greg Gagne, but the guy has constantly spun some pretty tall tales about his dad and the AWA over the years. Black Bart had an infamous shoot interview with so much bulls*** spewed, but nothing will top his claim that Fox wanted to make a sitcom with the Desperado's, and that WCW turned it down because they thought the team were too low on the totem pole to get their own show. Greg Gagne got a job in ovw for spewing bullshit during the hall of fame weekend in 07, apparently he lied about having watched ovw and got exposed pretty quickly. Also according to Conrad, Greg got Flair in trouble for lying about Ric taking Renee Young to his room. Hahah yeah Black Bart, Fox was watching three jobbers act a fool on wcw.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 1:44:22 GMT -5
Vince saying basically anything in a shoot is somewhat dubious, but his claims of his family being threatened by various people strike be as particularly exaggerated. Nothing against Greg Gagne, but the guy has constantly spun some pretty tall tales about his dad and the AWA over the years. Black Bart had an infamous shoot interview with so much bulls*** spewed, but nothing will top his claim that Fox wanted to make a sitcom with the Desperado's, and that WCW turned it down because they thought the team were too low on the totem pole to get their own show. Wasn't it Greg who claimed the Gagnes invented MMA?
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Post by James Fabiano on May 25, 2018 2:29:41 GMT -5
I'm reminded of a New Age Outlaws shoot where they ask what it was like working against the New Midnight Express. Billy Gunn's response: "We didn't work with the Midnight Express, me and Bart did." So apparently Bart wrestled himself. After what Butterbean did, he was seeing double though.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 25, 2018 2:32:58 GMT -5
Didn't Tito Santana say he was up for the WWF title in 1992 or so?
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Post by timelimitdraw on May 25, 2018 4:03:11 GMT -5
Didn't Tito Santana say he was up for the WWF title in 1992 or so? Remember, it was a weird period. Savage and Flair just had runs. Warrior and Bulldog were questionable and would soon be released. Razor Ramon was new. Undertaker was viewed as a special attraction. DiBiase was penciled in for another tag title run with Money Inc. Shawn was penciled in for the Intercontinental title. I think Bret was the right choice to go with, but I can see Tito's name at least come up - especially if it was always going to be a transitional run leading to Yokozuna and Hogan at WrestleMania 9.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 25, 2018 4:46:10 GMT -5
Didn't Tito Santana say he was up for the WWF title in 1992 or so? Remember, it was a weird period. Savage and Flair just had runs. Warrior and Bulldog were questionable and would soon be released. Razor Ramon was new. Undertaker was viewed as a special attraction. DiBiase was penciled in for another tag title run with Money Inc. Shawn was penciled in for the Intercontinental title. t I think Bret was the right choice to go with, but I can see Tito's name at least come up - especially if it was always going to be a transitional run leading to Yokozuna and Hogan at WrestleMania 9. Also according to Tito they were trying to expand into other markets with the company struggling domestically. He said that's why it came down to him and Bret as Bret could help business in Canada and Tito could potentially help business in Latin countries like Mexico or Spain. Obviously they went with Bret mainly I think for the fact that he was much more believable as champion at that point as he was just IC Champion and had beaten Piper at Mania 8 as apposed to Tito who had been pretty much a JTTS for the previous three years.
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Post by Aceorton on May 25, 2018 10:28:25 GMT -5
Remember, it was a weird period. Savage and Flair just had runs. Warrior and Bulldog were questionable and would soon be released. Razor Ramon was new. Undertaker was viewed as a special attraction. DiBiase was penciled in for another tag title run with Money Inc. Shawn was penciled in for the Intercontinental title. t I think Bret was the right choice to go with, but I can see Tito's name at least come up - especially if it was always going to be a transitional run leading to Yokozuna and Hogan at WrestleMania 9. Also according to Tito they were trying to expand into other markets with the company struggling domestically. He said that's why it came down to him and Bret as Bret could help business in Canada and Tito could potentially help business in Latin countries like Mexico or Spain. Obviously they went with Bret mainly I think for the fact that he was much more believable as champion at that point as he was just IC Champion and had beaten Piper at Mania 8 as apposed to Tito who had been pretty much a JTTS for the previous three years. Cannot imagine 1992 Tito beating Flair, Razor, Yokozuna, Bam Bam, Michaels or any of those guys. I feel like he was thrown in as a "candidate" just to create a second option to make it clear that Bret was the best choice, not because they were actually seriously considering him. When I want my kids to be happy with baked chicken for dinner, I'll offer a peanut butter sandwich as the alternative.
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Post by nisidhe on May 25, 2018 11:50:30 GMT -5
Didn't Tito Santana say he was up for the WWF title in 1992 or so? Not exactly BS, and certainly not ridiculous when you consider how over Tito used to be during the mid-1980s. He and Bret both had periods after their tag title runs where they'd kinda spun their wheels. But Bret was also younger, had the hot streak heading out of Summerslam 1992 and also had certain intangibles on his side - namely, his connections to Stampede gave him connections also to both Europe and Japan, two markets into which Vince saw a lot of money to be made reasonably easily and without much pushback from any promotions there. Tito may have gotten Mexico and Puerto Rico onside, but both would have been tricky for making inroads, and Tito was seen as too old by then to carry the company anyway. There might have been others, but Bret had a credible look tailor-made for the post-steroid scandal (attractive and fit without being overly muscular), was always reliable and could be counted on to carry a match with just about anyone. The steroid scandal was also why Vince may have opted not to go with Randy Savage.
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