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Post by JoDaNa1281 on May 24, 2018 15:09:45 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't understand why they hire guys like DMac and Lashley when they revert to booking them like they did the first time around. It's so stupid. So that no one else can have them.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 24, 2018 15:34:05 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't understand why they hire guys like DMac and Lashley when they revert to booking them like they did the first time around. It's so stupid. So that no one else can have them. Yep. I've never seen it personally, but apparently Lashley was great in TNA, so WWE signed him up, to nip any potential forward momentum in the bud.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 24, 2018 15:44:19 GMT -5
I'm guessing this is kayfabe'd, but it does kind of touch on something that keeps me from watching much NXT. The ultimate goal for NXT wrestlers is to make it to the main roster. Unfortunately, a lot of great (or at least good) NXT talent has gone on to the main roster and done diddly-squat, or been derailed in other ways. It makes it harder for me to get really invested in what goes on in NXT when I don't feel like the characters are building to a bigger, greater creative goal; obviously the main roster is a greater financial/fame goal, but as a fan it's hard to get excited for your favorites when it feels like the big goal is "move on to this bigger but so much less enjoyable show, where there's a really good chance you won't really be booked like a star." Obviously that hasn't been the case for everyone from NXT, but it's a general vibe for me. I get what you're saying but, strangely, this is what's appealing to me about NXT right now. Like, you get to see everything good and pure and creative before it all goes wrong and people post threads about how bad those people are. That does sound really strange and shouldn't make sense when it should be the other way around, but that's the way it feels to me personally. In that way it does make it sound fascinating as a study of a really unique, strange workplace/genre. A lot of what NXT seems to get right almost comes off as being willfully discarded very often on the main roster, and that's so odd that it feels like it needs to be seen to comprehend it.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on May 24, 2018 18:33:38 GMT -5
Sick of these Kayfabe "shoot" promo's. Calling out the roster is passive aggressive, if Drew's promo goes over it makes everyone look bad even people you think aren't being lazy.If WWE management wants to call individual people out then have the balls to do it like here with what Flair did on Carlito back in the day. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FStT_VIdW0c
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Post by Wrestling Curmudgeon on May 24, 2018 20:05:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure if he's speaking in character or if that's how he sincerely feels...or both, but the sooner men can stop being pro-occupied with worrying about what a 'real man' is the faster we can evolve and not abuse ourselves and fall into an abyss of depression, self harm, or something even worse. Something that plagued a previous generation of wrestlers. And something currently plaguing countless amounts of young men on the internet who feel the need to be 'alpha males' like Drew described and act in a way that doesn't reflect actual reality. I'm glad there is no tension, fighting, or bullying in the locker room. We have evolved and people with Drew's mindset belongs in the 50s. What the hell are you talking about? THAT is what you got from that?
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Post by britishbulldog on May 25, 2018 13:18:38 GMT -5
I'd take guys taking risks to be on top then the boring nothing that is today.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 25, 2018 14:08:27 GMT -5
I'd take guys taking risks to be on top then the boring nothing that is today. Except here's the problem: If you aren't already ordained from on high to be one of "the guys", then those risks will ultimately net you nothing, because once you start getting over, whatever GOT you over will be taken away from you, and your knees will be cut out from under you. So it's not worth it. If all you all really is about the money, it's far better to just stick it out and collect the paycheck.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 25, 2018 14:32:06 GMT -5
Drew you're gonna have to work with the main roster talent, maybe not the best idea to piss them off.
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Post by britishbulldog on May 25, 2018 14:33:15 GMT -5
I'd take guys taking risks to be on top then the boring nothing that is today. Except here's the problem: If you aren't already ordained from on high to be one of "the guys", then those risks will ultimately net you nothing, because once you start getting over, whatever GOT you over will be taken away from you, and your knees will be cut out from under you. So it's not worth it. If all you all really is about the money, it's far better to just stick it out and collect the paycheck. Austin wasn't ordained, he took every slight opportunity and to chances. If we was content to go along to get along, you wouldn't have had the attitude era. Same can be said for Foley.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 25, 2018 14:39:09 GMT -5
Except here's the problem: If you aren't already ordained from on high to be one of "the guys", then those risks will ultimately net you nothing, because once you start getting over, whatever GOT you over will be taken away from you, and your knees will be cut out from under you. So it's not worth it. If all you all really is about the money, it's far better to just stick it out and collect the paycheck. Austin wasn't ordained, he took every slight opportunity and to chances. If we was content to go along to get along, you wouldn't have had the attitude era. Same can be said for Foley. That was twenty years ago. WWE's culture has changed in a major way. Dragging out Austin isn't pertinent to this argument. There are tons of guys in the locker room who have gone above and beyond to get themselves over, and they were buried for it.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 14:46:59 GMT -5
Austin wasn't ordained, he took every slight opportunity and to chances. If we was content to go along to get along, you wouldn't have had the attitude era. Same can be said for Foley. That was twenty years ago. WWE's culture has changed in a major way. Dragging out Austin isn't pertinent to this argument. There are tons of guys in the locker room who have gone above and beyond to get themselves over, and they were buried for it.
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Post by Chestnutrice on May 25, 2018 14:51:32 GMT -5
No point. Half the guys they have there are just happy to be there, and WWE knows it. They're just gonna push the guys they want. The rare case you get someone who actually tries to make the most of his/her shitting booking and actually start getting over, the company buries them.
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Post by britishbulldog on May 25, 2018 15:32:48 GMT -5
Austin wasn't ordained, he took every slight opportunity and to chances. If we was content to go along to get along, you wouldn't have had the attitude era. Same can be said for Foley. That was twenty years ago. WWE's culture has changed in a major way. Dragging out Austin isn't pertinent to this argument. There are tons of guys in the locker room who have gone above and beyond to get themselves over, and they were buried for it. It's actually very pertinent. The premise of this thread is that drew sees a laxidasical attitude compared to what he saw when he first started and in nxt. Yes some people have gotten buried and it won't always go your way. But you have to be willing to risk it to get past a glass ceiling. The cream still rises in my opinion
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Post by Hit Girl on May 25, 2018 16:19:47 GMT -5
Drew - "DIS BIZNIZ!"
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Post by nisidhe on May 25, 2018 17:43:09 GMT -5
That was twenty years ago. WWE's culture has changed in a major way. Dragging out Austin isn't pertinent to this argument. There are tons of guys in the locker room who have gone above and beyond to get themselves over, and they were buried for it. It's actually very pertinent. The premise of this thread is that drew sees a laxidasical attitude compared to what he saw when he first started and in nxt. Yes some people have gotten buried and it won't always go your way. But you have to be willing to risk it to get past a glass ceiling. The cream still rises in my opinion I think Drew's full of it and so are you if you truly agree with him. You need only look at Finn Balor's example to know that there is no real brass ring in WWE.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 25, 2018 17:48:32 GMT -5
Austin wasn't ordained, he took every slight opportunity and to chances. If we was content to go along to get along, you wouldn't have had the attitude era. Same can be said for Foley. That was twenty years ago. WWE's culture has changed in a major way. Dragging out Austin isn't pertinent to this argument. There are tons of guys in the locker room who have gone above and beyond to get themselves over, and they were buried for it. Yep. I think the only guy to get himself over and benefit from it in the booking is Daniel Bryan, and fans in attendence had to crap all over like 6 months of programming just to get him his push.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 25, 2018 18:19:54 GMT -5
I get what you're saying but, strangely, this is what's appealing to me about NXT right now. Like, you get to see everything good and pure and creative before it all goes wrong and people post threads about how bad those people are. That does sound really strange and shouldn't make sense when it should be the other way around, but that's the way it feels to me personally. In that way it does make it sound fascinating as a study of a really unique, strange workplace/genre. A lot of what NXT seems to get right almost comes off as being willfully discarded very often on the main roster, and that's so odd that it feels like it needs to be seen to comprehend it. The interesting part is that we never hear much of anything about the NXT locker room dynamic.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 25, 2018 18:23:07 GMT -5
That was twenty years ago. WWE's culture has changed in a major way. Dragging out Austin isn't pertinent to this argument. There are tons of guys in the locker room who have gone above and beyond to get themselves over, and they were buried for it. It's actually very pertinent. The premise of this thread is that drew sees a laxidasical attitude compared to what he saw when he first started and in nxt. Yes some people have gotten buried and it won't always go your way. But you have to be willing to risk it to get past a glass ceiling. The cream still rises in my opinion What Drew sees as lackadaisical complacency, the majority of modern fans see as evolved locker room harmony. Drew might be kissing up to the Vince school of "someone in the locker room has to fight his way to King of the Hill (not Hank Hill or any of his memes) and cling to it for dear life", but most fans would rather have a dude that doesn't care about that and is content with playing video games with Xavier.
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Post by eJm on May 25, 2018 18:27:42 GMT -5
It's this bizarre dilemma for me as a fan who wants to see people get successful. You want them to be there so they can make more money but the system in place makes it more likely the really good stuff comes from NXT and when they hit the tippy top, they'll be told to do less, have the personality they gained in developmental for the big leagues removed (for reasons nobody will ever understand) and go through the same routine to then have fans say they're there for the money...which is a good thing because they get to potentially have money for when they leave wrestling.
No, I'm not saying people should half ass it when they reach the main roster but at this point, the product is so mechanised and scripted and so out of the talent's control that, well, why risk pissing someone off by trying to stand out when it's easier to just follow orders and try and work with what you have even if you hate it? Like, you can't breed a culture of freedom and creativity when you literally hand people a script and expect them to read it word for word written for the exact same person, no matter the gender, gimmick or size.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 25, 2018 18:32:53 GMT -5
It's this bizarre dilemma for me as a fan who wants to see people get successful. You want them to be there so they can make more money but the system in place makes it more likely the really good stuff comes from NXT and when they hit the tippy top, they'll be told to do less, have the personality they gained in developmental for the big leagues removed (for reasons nobody will ever understand) and go through the same routine to then have fans say they're there for the money...which is a good thing because they get to potentially have money for when they leave wrestling. No, I'm not saying people should half ass it when they reach the main roster but at this point, the product is so mechanised and scripted and so out of the talent's control that, well, why risk pissing someone off by trying to stand out when it's easier to just follow orders and try and work with what you have even if you hate it? Like, you can't breed a culture of freedom and creativity when you literally hand people a script and expect them to read it word for word written for the exact same person, no matter the gender, gimmick or size. The scary thing is that it's exactly how WWE is set up, though. You work your ass off in ROH, Evolve, or NJPW (or the British Indies) so that you can cement your fan following and raise your hype in NXT, so you can finally half-ass it on the Main Roster.
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