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Post by eJm on May 25, 2018 18:42:16 GMT -5
It's this bizarre dilemma for me as a fan who wants to see people get successful. You want them to be there so they can make more money but the system in place makes it more likely the really good stuff comes from NXT and when they hit the tippy top, they'll be told to do less, have the personality they gained in developmental for the big leagues removed (for reasons nobody will ever understand) and go through the same routine to then have fans say they're there for the money...which is a good thing because they get to potentially have money for when they leave wrestling. No, I'm not saying people should half ass it when they reach the main roster but at this point, the product is so mechanised and scripted and so out of the talent's control that, well, why risk pissing someone off by trying to stand out when it's easier to just follow orders and try and work with what you have even if you hate it? Like, you can't breed a culture of freedom and creativity when you literally hand people a script and expect them to read it word for word written for the exact same person, no matter the gender, gimmick or size. The scary thing is that it's exactly how WWE is set up, though. You work your ass off in ROH, Evolve, or NJPW (or the British Indies) so that you can cement your fan following and raise your hype in NXT, so you can finally half-ass it on the Main Roster. Hell, let's be frank here, WWE's ALWAYS been like that. There was a reason most talent jumped to be in the WWF in the 80s after having much better matches in the territories. Because it finally gave them a chance to not do as much and get more money and more over for it, mostly because Hogan was making everyone so much money. There's a reason people are surprised when they hear about the careers people like Koko B Ware, Junkyard Dog and Ted Dibiase had before going to the Fed because of how dramatically different they are. |
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Post by benstudd on May 25, 2018 21:32:06 GMT -5
It's when I read stuff like that it makes me think that you know maybe it wasn't bad that guys like Nash and Shawn had a Kliq to push their agenda. When you cannot get over cause the company has settled in their own ways, maybe you need to push back with a couple of friends.
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Post by benstudd on May 25, 2018 21:34:28 GMT -5
"As I was hurt, I had time to sit back and watch the show, and was able to watch more wrestling than I have in a long time because I have been so busy in general. I was really sitting back and watching WWE Raw and studying it, and I noticed basically that it wasn't necessarily all killer. They have some great athletes, obviously, but they don't necessarily... they don't look like they should be there. I went backstage in one of their shows, and I said this in another interview on WWE.com, and I noticed that the atmosphere was a bit different than when I was first here. There wasn't any tension in the air. There was a lack of that competitive spirit backstage with each other. "Back in the day, WWE and WCW used to have this rivalry, and the reason why they were so good was because they had to bring their 'A Game' every single week until it closed. WWE had all these alpha males; they had the best of the best all fighting for the top spot, and made great TV for the fans and it grew the audience and that was a great thing about it, but now there is only a few people willing to fight for the top spot which means that we have 3 hours of Raw and 2 hours of SmackDown, that is a lot of open air of people who are just happy to be there and happy to be in WWE, and do what is asked of them, and collecting a paycheck. Now, whenever I look at the screen and since I've been doing this for a long time, I can look into their eyes and tell if they want to be here, and if they have that fire into their eyes, and when I don't see that it frustrates me. I know down in NXT there is about 100 people with that fire in their eyes who are willing to take that spot from them in that second, so I am here to start eradicating the people that don't want to be here, and to set an example for everybody and bring back the way things used to be." wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2018/0523/641158/drew-mcintrye-says-wwe-talent-dont-have-that-fire-like-in-nxt-or/...says the guy who was slumming it with Slater and Jinder a couple of short years ago. That is why he left and reinvented himself, showing the World what he could do. |
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Post by britishbulldog on May 25, 2018 21:54:18 GMT -5
It's actually very pertinent. The premise of this thread is that drew sees a laxidasical attitude compared to what he saw when he first started and in nxt. Yes some people have gotten buried and it won't always go your way. But you have to be willing to risk it to get past a glass ceiling. The cream still rises in my opinion I think Drew's full of it and so are you if you truly agree with him. You need only look at Finn Balor's example to know that there is no real brass ring in WWE. At no point have I insulted you or your opinion, I'd appreciate you to respect mine. |
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Post by 111111 on May 26, 2018 5:29:35 GMT -5
There was a reason most talent jumped to be in the WWF in the 80s after having much better matches in the territories. Because it finally gave them a chance to not do as much and get more money and more over for it, mostly because Hogan was making everyone so much money. There's a reason people are surprised when they hear about the careers people like Koko B Ware, Junkyard Dog and Ted Dibiase had before going to the Fed because of how dramatically different they are. One could argue that it takes more skill to be able to get a big reaction doing very little. I mean there's alot of wrestlers who can do "good" matches who are unable to get much of a reaction but there are very few wrestlers that can have an audience on the edge of their seat making alot of noise by doing very little. You look at someone like Steve Austin who wrestled a decent technical style his entire career but had his most success when (admittedly due to injury) he slowed down a bit. It's like how in both WWE and WCW the cruiserweights go out there and nearly kill themselves and get hardly any reaction yet two wrestlers with the right talent can wrestle a very simple match and send the crowd in to a frenzy. Hell one of the best matches of all time in my opinion is Hogan Vs The Rock and when you look at that match they did hardly anything. |
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Post by eJm on May 26, 2018 5:46:58 GMT -5
It's like how in both WWE and WCW the cruiserweights go out there and nearly kill themselves and get hardly any reaction yet two wrestlers with the right talent can wrestle a very simple match and send the crowd in to a frenzy. I take issue with this because, when the cruiserweight division started on WCW, it was one of the hotter segments on the show. People were getting into the moves and talents involved because it wasn’t something seen before and sometimes the reactions overshadowed the higher matches on the card. But the moment the crowd stopped caring, in the same way people stopped caring about 205 Live really quickly, was when that was ALL they were going to do. Liger wasn’t going to go for the US or TV titles, we weren’t ever going to get a La Parka push, and the only real time the nWo interacted with them was to launch Rey Mysterio to a production truck. When there’s no progression, why care? When WWE spends years saying smaller people aren’t to be taken seriously, then shove a bunch of them on a useless show never allowed to interact with anyone else, of COURSE people aren’t going to care. |
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Post by nisidhe on May 26, 2018 7:08:18 GMT -5
I think Drew's full of it and so are you if you truly agree with him. You need only look at Finn Balor's example to know that there is no real brass ring in WWE. At no point have I insulted you or your opinion, I'd appreciate you to respect mine. I apologize; it was harsh of me to frame my response in those terms. Nonetheless, I find it interesting that anyone who has spent time as one of Vince's "chosen" on the main roster could then turn around and make that observation. It may have been said in kayfabe, but it does open him up to criticism, some of it well beyond the heat he may have intended to draw. The reality is that WWE favours who it favours at any given time and lacks the ability to book effectively for more than a handful on each brand. It is disingenuous for _anyone_ to criticize their fellows when they have, at varying points: - shown up reliably on a regular basis, even when not scheduled to perform - gotten over working comedic gimmicks and even comedic promotions (Southpaw, anyone?) - effectively sold, on their own merits, feuds that stretched the boundaries into ridiculousness and were ultimately killed without resolution - accepted pushes so far beyond the bounds of reason and their own perceived abilities that fans have ultimately turned on them. I refuse to accept _any_ variation of the argument that WWE superstars need to show more passion, to "want it more", or to keep reaching for the brass ring. Ask Zack Ryder how getting himself over against the whims of the company has helped him. That horse bolted from the barn long ago; Drew is entirely the wrong individual to try to get it back. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 26, 2018 11:09:27 GMT -5
I suddenly just remembered Drew was NXT champion.
That was one pointless-ass reign.
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