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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 10:01:54 GMT -5
An image has been leaked, apparently legit as Disney have taken down a ton of YouTube videos containing it. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Rey and Ben wielding Anakin and Leia's lightsabers. Yup........this is what I was hoping wouldn't happen and now it's gonna happen. {Spoiler}Way to kill that final trailer buzz, guys. And I thought the "it's not Endor!" news (the following day) got me.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 28, 2019 13:19:00 GMT -5
The prequels at least had a clear point from the get-go. That’s why it’s easier to like them. The whole time the question was “how?”. Rather than this trilogies biggest question, which is still “why?”. But yes, you’re going to like whichever one you grew up with. While the "why" question is certainly one that bugs me with the new ones, I at least spent some time during them thinking "huh, this could go in an interesting direction"; that was sadly never really something I got from the prequels. Like, I remember being pumped after seeing Yoda in a lightsaber duel, but then had a day or two to think on it and and went "Oh, God, no, that movie really wasn't good, was it?" Think it's why I don't really bother ranking the movies; at this point I care about the original trilogy and don't really need much else, though after going through my parents' attic recently I did find my stash of old EU books and will likely hang onto my copies of the Thrawn trilogy titles. I think that's a big part of what killed Episode II for me: there was no tension whatsoever in these big action setpieces between the speeder chase through Coruscant and the big fight on Geonosis. Because everything had a foregone conclusion. That was a problem with the prequels in general, but I think it was the most emphasized in Ep. II because there weren't any expendable main characters like Qui-Gon or the character studies in III. You knew Anakin, Padme, and Obi-Wan were never in any real danger of anything really bad happening to them. Yeah, Anakin lost an arm, but again something you already knew was going to happen sooner or later because of how machine-like Darth Vader is in the OT. So I also ask "why" about the prequels, especially Eps. I and II. It's just a different kind of "why" than the one I ask about the sequel trilogy or even Rogue One, which is a movie I personally like a lot but it's very superfluous. The "why" I ask with the sequel trilogy is "why does this story need to be told?" and we'll see if Episode IX answers it or not because there's still some unknowns about the direction the overall story is really going in. The "why" I ask with the prequels are "Why were these films necessary to make?" and I really can't think of anything besides "George Lucas wanted to swim Scrooge McDuck-style in a giant pool of money."
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Post by zrowsdower on Oct 28, 2019 16:00:06 GMT -5
I'm hoping for the following scene or something similar:
DJ: I hope you're p-pr-proud of me father.
Lando: I am sure am son. And I know your mother would be proud of you too. :Stares longingly at the Millennium Falcon's mainframe:
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 28, 2019 16:04:57 GMT -5
This film will be a mess, but it will be worth seeing if only for Ian McDiarmid, who always puts in a good performance as Palpatine, even if given a shitty script.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 16:13:12 GMT -5
Yeah, Ian is the best part of the prequels without a doubt and could very well be the best part of the sequels even though he's only in 1 movie. Captain Marvel was a massive breakthrough. Wonder Woman LOLs at this.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 28, 2019 16:56:00 GMT -5
Ian McDiarmid is so good he can overcome George Lucas' terrible direction for actors.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 28, 2019 16:57:40 GMT -5
He knew that when Lucas said "faster, more intense" he needed to be slower, and less intense.
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Post by cabbageboy on Oct 28, 2019 17:11:43 GMT -5
In terms of the whole "Why?" and "How?" questions let's be real here. There are really only 4 Star Wars movies that need to exist. The first 3 and I'd argue Revenge of the Sith was a very needed prequel film. We didn't really need the first 2 prequels. We didn't need any of the sequels. We didn't really need Rogue One. That's about 7 different movies that are all just obvious cash grabs.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 28, 2019 19:32:32 GMT -5
While the "why" question is certainly one that bugs me with the new ones, I at least spent some time during them thinking "huh, this could go in an interesting direction"; that was sadly never really something I got from the prequels. Like, I remember being pumped after seeing Yoda in a lightsaber duel, but then had a day or two to think on it and and went "Oh, God, no, that movie really wasn't good, was it?" Think it's why I don't really bother ranking the movies; at this point I care about the original trilogy and don't really need much else, though after going through my parents' attic recently I did find my stash of old EU books and will likely hang onto my copies of the Thrawn trilogy titles. I think that's a big part of what killed Episode II for me: there was no tension whatsoever in these big action setpieces between the speeder chase through Coruscant and the big fight on Geonosis. Because everything had a foregone conclusion. That was a problem with the prequels in general, but I think it was the most emphasized in Ep. II because there weren't any expendable main characters like Qui-Gon or the character studies in III. You knew Anakin, Padme, and Obi-Wan were never in any real danger of anything really bad happening to them. Yeah, Anakin lost an arm, but again something you already knew was going to happen sooner or later because of how machine-like Darth Vader is in the OT. So I also ask "why" about the prequels, especially Eps. I and II. It's just a different kind of "why" than the one I ask about the sequel trilogy or even Rogue One, which is a movie I personally like a lot but it's very superfluous. The "why" I ask with the sequel trilogy is "why does this story need to be told?" and we'll see if Episode IX answers it or not because there's still some unknowns about the direction the overall story is really going in. The "why" I ask with the prequels are "Why were these films necessary to make?" and I really can't think of anything besides "George Lucas wanted to swim Scrooge McDuck-style in a giant pool of money." It was clear by the end of the prequels that Lucas was influenced by real world events that we won't delve into, driving him to tell a "how could a stable republic devolve into an authoritarian state without anybody noticing?" story, but he clearly wasn't thinking that when he began the prequels and the eventual story he did tell didn't really show that story develop, since he was more interested in writing a couple of fun action set pieces and doing as much as possible to set up merchandising opportunities. Said it before, but it's all just too bad: there were so many threads right there waiting to be strung into an interesting tale of creeping fascism in what appeared to be healthy democracy, from the Jedi getting snobbish and dogmatic to having an outsider character in former slave Anakin who could have fallen to darkness as he tried to challenge the order's complacency (it so got my hopes up when I thought they were setting up Dooku to be an antagonist who was right all along WHOOPS NOPE HE'S JUST ANOTHER BAD GUY TOO), but instead we got Anakin whining that he wasn't on the Council despite basically being Force Jesus and ugh.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Oct 28, 2019 19:43:46 GMT -5
I think that's a big part of what killed Episode II for me: there was no tension whatsoever in these big action setpieces between the speeder chase through Coruscant and the big fight on Geonosis. Because everything had a foregone conclusion. That was a problem with the prequels in general, but I think it was the most emphasized in Ep. II because there weren't any expendable main characters like Qui-Gon or the character studies in III. You knew Anakin, Padme, and Obi-Wan were never in any real danger of anything really bad happening to them. Yeah, Anakin lost an arm, but again something you already knew was going to happen sooner or later because of how machine-like Darth Vader is in the OT. So I also ask "why" about the prequels, especially Eps. I and II. It's just a different kind of "why" than the one I ask about the sequel trilogy or even Rogue One, which is a movie I personally like a lot but it's very superfluous. The "why" I ask with the sequel trilogy is "why does this story need to be told?" and we'll see if Episode IX answers it or not because there's still some unknowns about the direction the overall story is really going in. The "why" I ask with the prequels are "Why were these films necessary to make?" and I really can't think of anything besides "George Lucas wanted to swim Scrooge McDuck-style in a giant pool of money." It was clear by the end of the prequels that Lucas was influenced by real world events that we won't delve into, driving him to tell a "how could a stable republic devolve into an authoritarian state without anybody noticing?" story, but he clearly wasn't thinking that when he began the prequels and the eventual story he did tell didn't really show that story develop, since he was clearly more interested in writing a couple of fun action set pieces and doing as much as possible to set up merchandising opportunities. Said it before, but it's all just too bad: there was so many threads right there waiting to be strung into an interesting tale of creeping fascism in what appeared to be healthy democracy, from the Jedi getting snobbish and dogmatic to having an outsider character in former slave Anakin who could have fallen to darkness as he tried to challenge the order's complacency (it so got my hopes up when I thought they were setting up Dooku to be an antagonist who was right all along WHOOPS NOPE HE'S JUST ANOTHER BAD GUY TOO), but instead we got Anakin whining that he wasn't on the Council despite basically being Force Jesus and ugh. I feel like it's really telling that a lot of the best content to come from that time period in the Star Wars timeline is far removed from George's touch (both Clone Wars series, for example).
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 28, 2019 19:51:46 GMT -5
Said it before, but it's all just too bad: there was so many threads right there waiting to be strung into an interesting tale of creeping fascism in what appeared to be healthy democracy, from the Jedi getting snobbish and dogmatic to having an outsider character in former slave Anakin who could have fallen to darkness as he tried to challenge the order's complacency (it so got my hopes up when I thought they were setting up Dooku to be an antagonist who was right all along WHOOPS NOPE HE'S JUST ANOTHER BAD GUY TOO), but instead we got Anakin whining that he wasn't on the Council despite basically being Force Jesus and ugh. This is why I especially have no time for ROTS. For it to even work as is they had to make the Jedi the Keystone Cops who couldn't catch a cold. Throw in Anakin's whining and the breaking of this supposed close friendship between two characters who bickered like crotchety old men for almost their entire shared screen time... the movie just f***ing sucks, especially when they could've done something interesting with it. And yes, the Clone Wars shows are far better than anything George crapped out.
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Post by adamclark52 on Oct 28, 2019 19:58:07 GMT -5
I’ll give the newer movies credit for establishing how bad life under the Empires rule really was.
If you think about it in A New Hope they lose, big time. In the Empire Strikes Back they mop the floor with the Rebel but after Hoth the Empire and the Rebels take a backseat to Luke’s story and the others on Bespin. Then in Return of the Jedi they lose again. So you knew then sucked but if you only knew the movies you didn’t get the entire picture.
Solo has that scene in the Corillia immigrantion center, then the scene on Kessel. And Rogue One has the entire movie.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 28, 2019 20:13:08 GMT -5
Rebels did a really good job with that, too. They also show just how much a force of power Darth Vader really is even compared to other Jedi. Kanan and Ezra, the show's two Jedi protagonists could barely hold him off long enough to flee. They didn't stand a chance against him in a straight-up fight.
Thrawn was a really good antagonist in that show's later seasons, too.
And speaking of Clone Wars, Ahsoka's character arc throughout that show and Rebels was fantastic. I really liked how Rebels dealt with her interactions with Vader, especially once she learned he was Anakin.
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Post by adamclark52 on Oct 28, 2019 20:36:50 GMT -5
Rebels did a really good job with that, too. They also show just how much a force of power Darth Vader really is even compared to other Jedi. Kanan and Ezra, the show's two Jedi protagonists could barely hold him off long enough to flee. They didn't stand a chance against him in a straight-up fight. Thrawn was a really good antagonist in that show's later seasons, too. And speaking of Clone Wars, Ahsoka's character arc throughout that show and Rebels was fantastic. I really liked how Rebels dealt with her interactions with Vader, especially once she learned he was Anakin. Rebels most certainly did,
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 28, 2019 23:37:57 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 28, 2019 23:46:02 GMT -5
from what I've heard about them... that's probably not a bad thing.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 28, 2019 23:53:18 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Oct 29, 2019 0:51:55 GMT -5
Yeah we got a separate thread going on Benioff and Weiss doing everyone a favor and quitting their Star Wars project.
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Post by thechase on Nov 8, 2019 16:34:32 GMT -5
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Nov 8, 2019 18:01:36 GMT -5
...again?
didn't they say all films except Ep. 9 were on hold after Solo's lackluster performance
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