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Post by chrom on Oct 8, 2019 10:38:48 GMT -5
People remember Garven Dreis Red-1, in A New Hope for almost making the shot on the Death Star more so than any of the characters the sequel trilogy.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 8, 2019 10:44:07 GMT -5
Wedge, Ackbar, Mon Mothma. Any of them would have made more sense than a character we'd never seen before who come out of nowhere and acts like an obnoxious moron who alienates her subordinates for no reason. It wouldn't have been so bad if the new character was actually good ... and Akbar didn't get shat on to make room for her. It's telling how dull this new trilogy is when, other than the stars, none of the new characters are remotely interesting or memorable, and even the main characters are pretty dull for the most part. Kylo Ren is great, BB8 is fun and Rey is OK ... and that's it. The rest, for me, are bland. And the supporting characters, I can barely remember any of their names or who they are or what they did. Even the prequel trilogy which gets shat on, had a much better and more memorable cast of supporting characters. It's not just the old cast The Last Jedi crapped on, Finn and Poe got the shaft as well.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Oct 8, 2019 13:23:21 GMT -5
It wouldn't have been so bad if the new character was actually good ... and Akbar didn't get shat on to make room for her. It's telling how dull this new trilogy is when, other than the stars, none of the new characters are remotely interesting or memorable, and even the main characters are pretty dull for the most part. Kylo Ren is great, BB8 is fun and Rey is OK ... and that's it. The rest, for me, are bland. And the supporting characters, I can barely remember any of their names or who they are or what they did. Even the prequel trilogy which gets shat on, had a much better and more memorable cast of supporting characters. It's not just the old cast The Last Jedi crapped on, Finn and Poe got the shaft as well. Poe's probably my favorite character in the new movies. Reminds me of a lot of characters from the X-Wing books from before Disney. By personality alone he stands out for me. Agree that the side characters are bleh though. Weird hacker guy, weird mechanic woman, stupid military woman, Phasma, Maz. Just meh. No stand outs like Lando, Fett, Mon Mothma, Ackbar, etc. Memorable and interesting, even if they have minor roles.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 8, 2019 14:02:57 GMT -5
Mon Mothma was never military. She was a politician and one of the civilian leaders of the Rebel Alliance and New Republic and also staunchly anti-military. And well into her 70's at this point (in fact, she had already been dead for several years in the Legends timeline by this point). If anything she'd be even worse at military strategy and tactics than Holdo.
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Post by zrowsdower on Oct 8, 2019 15:46:04 GMT -5
I just wanted to come in and say that I like Rose.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 16:48:25 GMT -5
Mon Mothma was never military. She was a politician and one of the civilian leaders of the Rebel Alliance and New Republic and also staunchly anti-military. And well into her 70's at this point (in fact, she had already been dead for several years in the Legends timeline by this point). If anything she'd be even worse at military strategy and tactics than Holdo. Even so, I'd take her over "Men are dumb & cannot lead cause they're men" or whatever the heck flawed attempt at messaging they tried with Holdo. The admiral fails on both a progressive feminism (which I'm not daring to touch any further) and also as a sound strategist. Sure, you wiped out a bunch of First Order ships & their leadership is just Ren & Angry Officer #3942, but... you left the Resistance with 14 members in a rush bucket swarming with bird rats. All the while making bad decision after bad decision.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 8:39:05 GMT -5
So here's something interesting.
This past Wednesday the "prequel" comic to RISE OF SKYWALKER came out. ALLEGIANCE. In the 2nd issue, out next week, we meet Aftab Ackbar - the son of Admiral Ackbar.
...elsewhere online, Yakface.com released images of a bunch of standees (those lifesize cardboard cutouts - I guess this is merch now), and.....well, that last one ("Mon Cal admiral") is Aftab Ackbar.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 11, 2019 8:58:39 GMT -5
So here's something interesting. This past Wednesday the "prequel" comic to RISE OF SKYWALKER came out. ALLEGIANCE. In the 2nd issue, out next week, we meet Aftab Ackbar - the son of Admiral Ackbar. ...elsewhere online, Yakface.com released images of a bunch of standees (those lifesize cardboard cutouts - I guess this is merch now), and.....well, that last one ("Mon Cal admiral") is Aftab Ackbar. ಠ_ಠ Arguably a bit of character assassination of Ackbar in the new comic, because everything from the original trilogy must be made to be shitty. Here's a page from the preview. starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/journey-to-rise-of-skywalker-allegiance-2-comic-page-4.jpg
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Post by chrom on Oct 11, 2019 9:10:02 GMT -5
Mon Mothma was never military. She was a politician and one of the civilian leaders of the Rebel Alliance and New Republic and also staunchly anti-military. And well into her 70's at this point (in fact, she had already been dead for several years in the Legends timeline by this point). If anything she'd be even worse at military strategy and tactics than Holdo. Even so, I'd take her over "Men are dumb & cannot lead cause they're men" or whatever the heck flawed attempt at messaging they tried with Holdo. The admiral fails on both a progressive feminism (which I'm not daring to touch any further) and also as a sound strategist. Sure, you wiped out a bunch of First Order ships & their leadership is just Ren & Angry Officer #3942, but... you left the Resistance with 14 members in a rush bucket swarming with bird rats. All the while making bad decision after bad decision. Look at The Battle of Hoth in contrast. Leia gives out clear orders in a calm tone of voice explaining the plan and when questioned about going up against Star Destroyers she confirms to them that they'll be getting aid from the ion cannon to ease their concerns.
Holdo on the other hand has nothing more than a sneer and look of contempt on her face towards everyone and withholds vital information.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 11, 2019 9:28:49 GMT -5
Looks like the full final trailer is hitting on Oct 21st
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 10:03:49 GMT -5
Hrm. Just a page, but weird. I mean, it seems like he's being built up to fill the void his dad left - and issue 1 was really full of a lot of lament about Ackbar being dead, like the writer knew to put it in there because he died practically off screen in TLJ - so that has to mean something positive.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 11, 2019 13:01:45 GMT -5
"Career soldier who isn't much of a family man" is a pretty common trope.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Oct 11, 2019 13:03:13 GMT -5
Looks like the full final trailer is hitting on Oct 21st I'd guess tickets go on sale that day too. That's the tradition at least.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 11, 2019 13:13:12 GMT -5
I just wanted to come in and say that I like Rose. She would have been fine as a background character, but she's not a character that should have been the focus of a prominent storyline in a major franchise film that consumes a significant portion of screentime that should have been devoted to more important things.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Oct 11, 2019 13:36:16 GMT -5
Aftab Ackbar hasn’t changed facial expressions since they did his daddy like that
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Oct 11, 2019 13:40:39 GMT -5
I just wanted to come in and say that I like Rose. She would have been fine as a background character, but she's not a character that should have been the focus of a prominent storyline in a major franchise film that consumes a significant portion of screentime that should have been devoted to more important things. On the bright side, every minute they spent on Rose Tico and Canto Bight could have been spent ruining Luke Skywalker even more.
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Post by thechase on Oct 12, 2019 10:31:02 GMT -5
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 12, 2019 21:02:04 GMT -5
She would have been fine as a background character, but she's not a character that should have been the focus of a prominent storyline in a major franchise film that consumes a significant portion of screentime that should have been devoted to more important things. On the bright side, every minute they spent on Rose Tico and Canto Bight could have been spent ruining Luke Skywalker even more. I keep saying it, but I don't understand the critiques of Luke's character in TLJ at all. I thought that was the single best decision in the movie. I was totally down with "jaded, disillusioned Luke who realizes he's been upholding a cycle of violence and feels his exile is the way to finally undo it", was alright with him coming around to taking some kind of action...but the final act was basically just "you know that really interesting stuff Luke talked about concerning balance earlier on? Yeah, forget it, everything's back to normal now." Such a letdown. The problem was, again in my opinion, that the movie didn't commit to the major changes and deconstructions it hinted at over the first two acts, leaving us back at status quo by the end. It gave us a glimpse into Star Wars having something interesting to say, only to finish the film saying "lol, nope, we're just saying the same stuff we've been saying for over 40 years, fooled you.</Dark Helmet voice>"
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 13, 2019 1:53:37 GMT -5
As shitty as Rian Johnson's writing is, the blame for Luke also lies with Abrams. Luke's exile was poorly written. A guy who never lost faith in the inherent goodness of his father is unlikely to consider, however briefly, murdering his own nephew, thus incurring the wrath of his sister and brother in law, just because he saw a glimpse of his potential darkness, when Luke himself was able to pull back from the dark side when he briefly lost control in ROTJ and hacked his father's robot hand off. Furthermore it made no sense for Luke to simply abandon the good guys and be a sadsack on an island drinking alien titty juice when it would have been far more constructive of him to actually help them against the bad guys, of which he would have been undeniably useful.
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Post by adamclark52 on Oct 13, 2019 8:06:32 GMT -5
Last night I had a dream I saw the Rise of the Skywalker {Spoiler}{Spoiler}at least it was better than the Last Jedi, but it was not good EDIT: {Spoiler}it also offered no real conclusion to an already pointless story
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