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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 13:36:55 GMT -5
The other issue is, as I've said, there's a lot of writing that needs to be done to overcome whatever the hell Rian smoked during TLJ.
Not an enviable task because you'll need new characters for both sides.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 30, 2018 13:51:20 GMT -5
The main problem is that there is no real hook to Episode IX. Really both of the new ones have had this problem. They leave you wanting nothing more. Rey pretty much ran roughshod over everyone and beat Kylo Ren in that final fight, so what do we need to see? The ending of Last Jedi made both sides look like complete jokers really; The rebels needed help from a 65 year old Luke Skywalker, while the First Order were humiliated by a 65 year old Luke Skywalker. Personally I would have had Luke's subterfuge lead to the rebels escaping, with Kylo and Co. realizing they'd been had and then they could come gunning for Luke in Episode IX on his island. For all the talk of how they ruined Luke at the end of the day he's the one who had all the heat and the way things went no one will get any from him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 14:00:11 GMT -5
Star Wars has always had issues of scale, especially when you consider how massive a galaxy is. But then, from what I've read of the new stuff, the New Republic didn't exactly seem well-organized and was already filled with a lot of the problems that plagued its predecessor. The New Republic military was also much more in line with the pre-Clone Wars Republic as opposed to the massive fleets of the Clone Wars-era Republic military and the massive Imperial military machine. Probably why the First Order was able to get such a big jump on things, considering they likely put ALL their resources into building a new military powerhouse along with whatever was left from the old Imperial Navy brought to the cause by the remaining hardliners. That's a good point about the First Order's role......it's purely a war machine, and doesn't have to maintain a governmental system, which is essentially what weighed the Empire down (all that pesky political crap). So they had the easy advantage. Also -- slightly off topic, but relatable..... the Unknown Regions (that fabled deep space place where Thrawn, Outbound Flight and the Yuuzhan Vong were in the EU) is where Snoke came from, where he & the Remnant presumably built up said war machine (I'm now curious where Starkiller Base was located in TFA), and is also where Ach-To was located (which kinda makes sense given they couldn't find him, but also doesn't make sense since R2 had a map there anyway).
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Post by Cyno on Jul 30, 2018 15:13:22 GMT -5
Ok, taking the mental block off NJO, the Yuuzhan Vong were actually from another galaxy entirely, though Zenoma Sekot was a seed world of their original homeworld that they ended up destroying back in the day for some reason. But yeah, I think the Starkiller planet was originally located in either the Unknown Regions or the Western Reaches, which are both largely unexplored compared to the systems in the eastern part of the Galaxy due to spatial anomalies and such making it harder to navigate hyperspace through there. The Starkiller planet was also able to move to different systems, which, well, it kinda had to or else it could only fire its weapon once if it stayed in its original system (or maybe more if it was a binary or trinary system, but then absorbing the primary star of a multistar system would've done insane things with the gravity and orbits of the other stars; this is probably giving it more thought than anyone involved with Star Wars probably gave it lol).
As for how Luke was able to find Ahch-To in the Unknown Regions while no one else was, it was probably one of those old Jedi secrets Luke discovered or was guided to by Yoda or Obi-Wan's Force Ghost or even the Force itself. The Jedi Order's existed in one form or another for thousands of years so they probably kept all sorts of secret stuff, including hyperspace lanes, that the galaxy at large generally forgot about.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 30, 2018 15:14:40 GMT -5
They should have ended the last film with Rey joining Kylo, and keeping the audience guessing as to what would happen next between them.
Will she turn evil? Will he turn good? Will they have hot Force assisted sex?
Find out in Episode 9.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 1, 2018 19:44:17 GMT -5
Filming has commenced.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Aug 1, 2018 22:19:38 GMT -5
They should have ended the last film with Rey joining Kylo, and keeping the audience guessing as to what would happen next between them. Will she turn evil? Will he turn good? Will they have hot Force assisted sex? Find out in Episode 9. That was a huge missed opportunity. It was one of the moments where I was like "wow, what's gonna happen" and they went with the least interesting option.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 2, 2018 5:59:36 GMT -5
They made a mistake in TFA by having Kylo kill Han. That made him irredeemable for me and made him into a less interesting character. They should have had Snoke kill Han in front of Kylo to see how Kylo would react. That would provide more justification for Kylo to kill Snoke in TLJ to stop him killing Rey, and telling Rey that he was too weak to stop his father dying, but couldn't allow Snoke to kill her, for reasons deep down she already knows. At that point Rey assumes Kylo has turned good. He counters this by saying he doesn't care anymore about good and bad, light and dark, the First Order and the Resistence etc....He thinks they should just leave and let galactic events play out regardless. He convinces her that they can figure out the Force on their own, without picking sides or having masters or mentors. She agrees and goes with him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 6:55:29 GMT -5
JJ's Twitter debut, no less.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 14:03:03 GMT -5
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Aug 28, 2018 14:14:07 GMT -5
dammit, now skynet is gonna nick the ring and control the death star AREN'T THEY!!!
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 28, 2018 14:36:59 GMT -5
They made a mistake in TFA by having Kylo kill Han. That made him irredeemable for me and made him into a less interesting character. They should have had Snoke kill Han in front of Kylo to see how Kylo would react. That would provide more justification for Kylo to kill Snoke in TLJ to stop him killing Rey, and telling Rey that he was too weak to stop his father dying, but couldn't allow Snoke to kill her, for reasons deep down she already knows. At that point Rey assumes Kylo has turned good. He counters this by saying he doesn't care anymore about good and bad, light and dark, the First Order and the Resistence etc....He thinks they should just leave and let galactic events play out regardless. He convinces her that they can figure out the Force on their own, without picking sides or having masters or mentors. She agrees and goes with him. I wouldn't have minded a reveal that Han activated the lightsaber himself to prevent Kylo from forever being stuck with the guilt of having killed him. I guess they could still do that in 9 but that is probably waiting too long from the first movie. Plus there is no big bad for him to turn face against unless they make up another one like Snoke with no backstory whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 15:05:05 GMT -5
They made a mistake in TFA by having Kylo kill Han. That made him irredeemable for me and made him into a less interesting character. They should have had Snoke kill Han in front of Kylo to see how Kylo would react. That would provide more justification for Kylo to kill Snoke in TLJ to stop him killing Rey, and telling Rey that he was too weak to stop his father dying, but couldn't allow Snoke to kill her, for reasons deep down she already knows. At that point Rey assumes Kylo has turned good. He counters this by saying he doesn't care anymore about good and bad, light and dark, the First Order and the Resistence etc....He thinks they should just leave and let galactic events play out regardless. He convinces her that they can figure out the Force on their own, without picking sides or having masters or mentors. She agrees and goes with him. ........there was a moment, very subtle, after Kylo kills him where we almost see a look of shock come across Kylo's face as the angle changes. Almost like a "oh god what have I done." Like what Han said finally caught up with him, but before he could really process it all his loveable uncle Chewie shoots him RIGHT at the moment. Chewie's reaction became much more impactful as a result to me. The moment in TLJ where he doesn't pull the trigger on blasting at the Raddus (but then someone does) seemed to echo that a bit. By the end of TLJ, he's utterly irredeemable (all the stuff he said to Rey, Leia basically acknowledging it & Luke agreeing, and now also being the new Vader having succeeded where Vader didn't by actually killing his master) and thus any backtracking toward redeeming him will feel hollow and forced.....or not; who knows, I'm a gullible idiot who's just not as smart anymore so they could easily change my mind I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 17:01:48 GMT -5
Apparently someone yesterday (Tuesday) managed to interpret code on the Star Wars site and somehow found the logo of Episode IX....... With the title. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Balance of the Force.
(Which, IIRC, was a leading contender for Episode I's title 20 years ago) Anthony Daniels had tweeted something Monday that many in the fandom read as "Ep9's title is being announced tomorrow." Tomorrow ( Tuesday) came........and went. So maybe that's the title and this nerd ruined some plans...?
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 6, 2019 17:07:15 GMT -5
I can't wait to find out how the epic love story between Finn and Rose Tico unfolds.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Feb 6, 2019 17:09:26 GMT -5
Yeah. Seems pretty legit. StarWarsLeaks on reddit even temporarily shut down or something when it got leaked. Because absurdity is strong with that subreddit.
FTR..I really like it. I hope there’s truth to a lot of the other rumors too. Might actually get myself back on the hype train.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 6, 2019 17:11:40 GMT -5
JJ Abrams - "I'd like to thank Rian Johnson for systematically turning all my ideas into creative dead ends"
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Feb 6, 2019 17:24:36 GMT -5
I can't wait to find out how the epic love story between Finn and Rose Tico Poe unfolds. Fixed
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 6, 2019 17:29:36 GMT -5
JJ Abrams - "I'd like to thank Rian Johnson for systematically turning all my ideas into creative dead ends" But at least our expectations were subverted.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 6, 2019 18:24:49 GMT -5
People kid about Poe and Finn but the scenes with Poe are really the only time I find Finn the least bit tolerable. So of course all they do is conspire to remove Finn from any Poe related matters and put him with female pairings (Rey, Rose) and in those pairings he just...sucks. Either way there's no getting around the notion that Finn feels like an elevated extra not deserving of the screen time he gets.
I tend to think this movie might tank, or at least underwhelm. Solo set the stage for Star Wars having lousy overseas numbers, so let's say this does about 900 million worldwide. Will this even turn a profit with those numbers? I think on Deadline they said Last Jedi made 417 million in profit on a 1.3 billion dollar haul. Sounds nifty in theory but they might have a break even point of about 900 million, which is nuts.
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