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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 2, 2018 12:51:12 GMT -5
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 8, 2018 21:49:58 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 8, 2018 22:29:21 GMT -5
Phoenix is going to kill this role as people expected
Just hope to God the rest of the movie is good
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 22:53:11 GMT -5
A Joker that smokes will be interesting lol
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 9, 2018 14:10:06 GMT -5
I don’t think this movie will work.
I don’t think a villain can carry a whole movie. I think the Joker specially should be used on small doses, him being crazy every scene will get old fast.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 9, 2018 14:25:34 GMT -5
I don’t think this movie will work. I don’t think a villain can carry a whole movie. I think the Joker specially should be used on small doses, him being crazy every scene will get old fast. Disagree. Every good, "straight" ganster movie is all about it's murdering, lying, stealing protagonists. The Joker is just that idea taken to an absurd extreme.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 9, 2018 14:31:37 GMT -5
I don’t think this movie will work. I don’t think a villain can carry a whole movie. I think the Joker specially should be used on small doses, him being crazy every scene will get old fast. Disagree. Every good, "straight" ganster movie is all about it's murdering, lying, stealing protagonists. The Joker is just that idea taken to an absurd extreme. This is not a straight gangster movie, this is a psychopath laughing and telling jokes every second. The joker has worked in the past because Batman played the straight man to his comedy and Batman could carry the movie. Imagine Heath Ledger’s Joker as the main character in Dark Knight, his gimmick would get tiresome quickly. Jack Nicholson’s character would also get annoying pretty fast. Also in gangster movies, the main guy has a redeeming quality, the Joker is an asshole you’re supposed to hate.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 9, 2018 14:35:33 GMT -5
Disagree. Every good, "straight" ganster movie is all about it's murdering, lying, stealing protagonists. The Joker is just that idea taken to an absurd extreme. This is not a straight gangster movie, this is a psychopath laughing and telling jokes every second. The joker has worked in the past because Batman played the straight man to his comedy and Batman could carry the movie. Imagine Heath Ledger’s Joker as the main character in Dark Knight, his gimmick would get tiresome quickly. Jack Nicholson’s character would also get annoying pretty fast. Also in gangster movies, the main guy has a redeeming quality, the Joker is an asshole you’re supposed to hate. That's....not what the Joker has ever been. Ledger's Joker had funny moments, yes, but also moments of genuine malice and menace devoid of any comedy whatsoever. Same with Nicholson, hell, even Hamill's Joker had extremely dark moments that weren't funny at all, and he was for kids, for crying out loud. Saying "He tells jokes every second" is an incredibly simplified view of a fairly complex character. And no, they don't. Henry Hill in Goodfellas, for example, has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. He's a murderous, adulterous, wife abusing coke fiend. He's also your main viewpoint character. The appeal of the movie is seeing HOW he became this awful, coke soaked ogre. And we'll get similar in this movie, how an ostensibly normal man BECOMES this insane, giggling psychopath.
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Post by Fade on Oct 9, 2018 15:05:14 GMT -5
Disagree. Every good, "straight" ganster movie is all about it's murdering, lying, stealing protagonists. The Joker is just that idea taken to an absurd extreme. This is not a straight gangster movie, this is a psychopath laughing and telling jokes every second. The joker has worked in the past because Batman played the straight man to his comedy and Batman could carry the movie. Imagine Heath Ledger’s Joker as the main character in Dark Knight, his gimmick would get tiresome quickly. Jack Nicholson’s character would also get annoying pretty fast. Also in gangster movies, the main guy has a redeeming quality, the Joker is an asshole you’re supposed to hate. You're talking like you know what the movie will already consist of lol..I mean you might be guessing right, but I'd assume the film is going to try and address said issues.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 9, 2018 16:01:53 GMT -5
Disagree. Every good, "straight" ganster movie is all about it's murdering, lying, stealing protagonists. The Joker is just that idea taken to an absurd extreme. Exactly. Godfather is viewed as one of the best films of all time. Goodfellas (as you mentioned) Breaking Bad Sopranos American Psycho A Clockwork Orange Scarface Natural Born Killers Scarface is easily the apotheosis of this phenomenon, really. It's the ultimate in watching a bad guy do bad things in the most cartoonish way possible while still being grounded in the "real world".
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Post by chazraps on Oct 9, 2018 16:07:55 GMT -5
Anyone else see the director's debut film 'Hated' the documentary about G.G. Allin?
Just revisited it and it has me further pumped for 'Joker.'
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 9, 2018 17:09:27 GMT -5
The twist will be that he's Jack Napier's son.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 9, 2018 17:14:52 GMT -5
Disagree. Every good, "straight" ganster movie is all about it's murdering, lying, stealing protagonists. The Joker is just that idea taken to an absurd extreme. Exactly. Godfather is viewed as one of the best films of all time. Goodfellas (as you mentioned) Breaking Bad Sopranos American Psycho A Clockwork Orange Scarface Natural Born Killers All those movies you listed, the main characters have redeeming qualities, Joker don’t, unless they do a “Killing Joke” type of story.
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Post by lucas_lee on Oct 9, 2018 17:16:26 GMT -5
Exactly. Godfather is viewed as one of the best films of all time. Goodfellas (as you mentioned) Breaking Bad Sopranos American Psycho A Clockwork Orange Scarface Natural Born Killers All those movies you listed, the main characters have redeeming qualities, Joker don’t, unless they do a “Killing Joke” type of story. Wait what the only that I can think that have semi redeeming qualities is Walter White (even then hes pretty evil in my eyes)
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 9, 2018 17:29:26 GMT -5
All those movies you listed, the main characters have redeeming qualities, Joker don’t, unless they do a “Killing Joke” type of story. Wait what the only that I can think that have semi redeeming qualities is Walter White (even then hes pretty evil in my eyes) In goodfellas, Henry Hill provides for his family. In Clockwork Orange, Alex changes thanks to therapy and in the book he starts finding violence boring and wants to start a family. In American Psycho, Patrick Bateman comes clean to his lawyer that he’s a serial killer and wants to stop, he shows remorse. In The Sopranos, Tony loves his family. In Scarface, Montana refuses to kill a mother and her kids and that brings his downfall, he also cares about his mother and sister. Joker has zero redeeming qualities.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 9, 2018 17:35:42 GMT -5
I don’t think this movie will work. I don’t think a villain can carry a whole movie. I think the Joker specially should be used on small doses, him being crazy every scene will get old fast. Disagree. Every good, "straight" ganster movie is all about it's murdering, lying, stealing protagonists. The Joker is just that idea taken to an absurd extreme. But those gangsters don't exist in decades of pop culture lore as the omega to someone else's alpha. This and Venom to me feel like films that are just Qs without Us.
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Post by Fade on Oct 9, 2018 17:36:41 GMT -5
This is literally an origin flick. By all accounts it's heavily influenced by Killing Joke. Joaquin is an actor all about character and character development. I somehow doubt this is going to be "I'm Joker, I'm Crazy 100%" for the full duration of its run time. But for that, there's always Suicide Squad.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Oct 9, 2018 17:40:19 GMT -5
Wait what the only that I can think that have semi redeeming qualities is Walter White (even then hes pretty evil in my eyes) In goodfellas, Henry Hill provides for his family. In Clockwork Orange, Alex changes thanks to therapy and in the book he starts finding violence boring and wants to start a family. In American Psycho, Patrick Bateman comes clean to his lawyer that he’s a serial killer and wants to stop, he shows remorse. In The Sopranos, Tony loves his family. In Scarface, Montana refuses to kill a mother and her kids and that brings his downfall, he also cares about his mother and sister. Joker has zero redeeming qualities. You haven’t seen the movie yet. Maybe he does?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 9, 2018 17:49:12 GMT -5
This is literally an origin flick. By all accounts it's heavily influenced by Killing Joke. Joaquin is an actor all about character and character development. I somehow doubt this is going to be "I'm Joker, I'm Crazy 100%" for the full duration of its run time. But for that, there's always Suicide Squad. I just got the feeling he’s gonna be Crazy all the time, it’s just the vibe I get from the pictures and news that have come out.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 9, 2018 17:51:22 GMT -5
In goodfellas, Henry Hill provides for his family. In Clockwork Orange, Alex changes thanks to therapy and in the book he starts finding violence boring and wants to start a family. In American Psycho, Patrick Bateman comes clean to his lawyer that he’s a serial killer and wants to stop, he shows remorse. In The Sopranos, Tony loves his family. In Scarface, Montana refuses to kill a mother and her kids and that brings his downfall, he also cares about his mother and sister. Joker has zero redeeming qualities. You haven’t seen the movie yet. Maybe he does? I’ve been watching and reading joker since 91, other than the killing joke I’ve never seen him have a redeeming quality, he’s always been pure evil. I’ve also never seen a movie or cartoon that he’s the main character and he’s a sympathetic figure, maybe they’ll manage to do it here.
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