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Post by 111111 on Aug 20, 2018 13:26:29 GMT -5
So it seems to me if last night was anything to go by they seem to be downgrading the importance of the big 4 PPV's (apart from mania) in favour of the big international stadium shows.
Last night didn't feel like Summerslam at all, it just felt like another episode of Sunday Night Raw, hell this years Royal Rumble wasn't even the most important Royal Rumble event of the year.
Am I just being a bit hyperbolic or does anyone else feel the same way?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 20, 2018 13:31:20 GMT -5
Ehh
More like your PPV's in general just don't hold importance to ending feuds anymore
They used Mania to further the Styles/Nak feud and yesterday was just a shit show with how many f***ing DQ's and f*** finishes there were
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Aug 20, 2018 13:37:33 GMT -5
I dunno, SummerSlam still feels big, the show just wasn't good.
Survivor Series is struggling to maintain it's status, Money In The Bank is more important now, I'd argue.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Aug 20, 2018 13:40:52 GMT -5
Totally disagree. SummerSlam definitely felt like the second biggest show of the hype wise. Maybe it wasn’t a great show(I’m still going through it now) but it was totally presented as a big deal. The Rumble is a big deal as well. Survivor Series is the only outlier and they still make it somewhat important as it’s the only time Raw vs Smackdown go at each other.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Aug 20, 2018 14:16:03 GMT -5
Royal Rumble is still big considering the Mania implications, and they’re starting to make it a stadium show, so if anything, it’s gotten more important.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 20, 2018 14:17:15 GMT -5
They died a long time ago. Since the end of the Attitude Era PPV's have become as meaningless as the TV shows.
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Post by Juice on Aug 20, 2018 14:37:34 GMT -5
Summerslam is being turned into a stadium show.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Aug 20, 2018 14:47:54 GMT -5
Totally disagree. SummerSlam definitely felt like the second biggest show of the hype wise. Maybe it wasn’t a great show(I’m still going through it now) but it was totally presented as a big deal. The Rumble is a big deal as well. Survivor Series is the only outlier and they still make it somewhat important as it’s the only time Raw vs Smackdown go at each other. Ya, going into it it felt like a big deal. They just shit the bed with a lot of the payoffs, especially ending the show with 2 matches that were more angles then they were matches. Alexa/Ronda needed to be like it was, that didn’t bother me. Following it with that main event, that left me very underwhelmed. Nobody is gonna like how every PPV ends, but you should at least feel something about the characters and direction. I just felt so “meh” about that finish, it kinda soured the whole show. Which was a good show, way too long, but I mostly enjoyed it. |
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Post by psychokiller on Aug 20, 2018 14:51:44 GMT -5
One big problem is that PPVs don’t feel that special anymore due to Raw & Smackdown being filled with long matches every week. It makes the PPVs feel way less meaningless when we’re seeing the same quality matches week after week on regular TV. Also, another one is that the PPV entrances all look the same for every PPV outside of WrestleMania. I can’t differentiate any shows outside of Mania anymore since the entrance ramp & setup is almost exactly the same. Back 10+ years ago every PPV had it’s own unique feel due to them having different looks to the shows. The booking for the PPVs in recent years doesn’t help either. The results always make the shows feel weak. WrestleMania was ruined the last 4 years due to shitty Reigns being forced into the Main Event while a lot of the other talent was forced to be stuck at a certain level due to Reigns’ booking. Once the people in charge are dead set on getting one particular guy over everyone else than where’s that leave the other talent to get better & reach a higher ceiling?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 14:53:21 GMT -5
Honestly I've been watching for 20 years and I've pretty much never seen Survivor Series or SummerSlam either one as especially important (especially Survivor Series, which to be honest I wish they'd dropped when they were considering it a few years ago). Think the Big 4 thing is really better off just let to die.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Aug 20, 2018 15:18:50 GMT -5
Survivor Series is struggling to maintain it's status, Money In The Bank is more important now, I'd argue. I think the best way to boost Survivor Series would be to move Elimination Chamber to December, with the 5 on 5 matches being set up to determine who the Chamber entrants are. You have heels and faces working together on a team in order to earn a title match. Sell it to fans like the November and December PPVs give wrestlers an opportunity to end the year as world champion. It also helps Elimination Chamber because it is easier to buy into a potential title change toward the end of the year than it is in the middle of the Royal Rumble and WrestleMania, when feuds already seem set. There have been years where the Elimination Chamber title defense felt like blatant filler because you knew what the big WrestleMania match already was. It shouldn't be that hard for WWE to make every monthly show matter. |
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Aug 20, 2018 15:23:33 GMT -5
Ehh More like your PPV's in general just don't hold importance to ending feuds anymore They used Mania to further the Styles/Nak feud and yesterday was just a shit show with how many f***ing DQ's and f*** finishes there were Yeah the matches were kinda weird. Two straight squashes. Two DQs. And then outside interference and shenanigans in every other match except the women's triple threat and Shin vs Jeff? They really seemed terrified that the world will end if they let 2 people just have a hard fought match with a winner and loser. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 20, 2018 15:33:21 GMT -5
Ehh More like your PPV's in general just don't hold importance to ending feuds anymore They used Mania to further the Styles/Nak feud and yesterday was just a shit show with how many f***ing DQ's and f*** finishes there were Yeah the matches were kinda weird. Two straight squashes. Two DQs. And then outside interference and shenanigans in every other match except the women's triple threat and Shin vs Jeff? They really seemed terrified that the world will end if they let 2 people just have a hard fought match with a winner and loser. Yea, they gave it the “Summer Mania” treatment with the effects but no pyro and hyped matches. The payoffs were just bad in a world where it shouldn’t be that hard to give someone a decisive win The only true thing coming out of this was Nak beating Jeff and rousey over Alexa. |
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Post by salz4life on Aug 20, 2018 15:35:17 GMT -5
I'm being selfish, but I'd love to see Summerslam at Soldier Field in Chicago.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 20, 2018 15:53:18 GMT -5
Summerslam and the Rumble will be stadium shows next year. Survivor Series is the odd man out.
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Post by sportatorium on Aug 20, 2018 16:00:52 GMT -5
Mania is the main focus & The Rumble has a lot of developments leading up to that, so both feel like a bigger deal to me that SummerSlam or Survivor Series. They tried for some big moments last night with Reigns & Rousey, but a DQ finish in the Styles-Joe match & a lot of the rest took some luster off the show.
SummerSlam seems to be the one that if Fox wants a big special someday, they could get. Survivor Series would be better off if they just went old school & did the elimination matches without trying to do the silly brand wars IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 16:21:34 GMT -5
At the very least they could still use a unique stage for all big 4 shows.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 20, 2018 16:28:53 GMT -5
They just don't care anymore. The Network is profitable and they know people are going to stick around for anything, so they're content to pay off nothing and spin their wheels for months into the future for some bizarre reason. The international stadium shows aren't even treated as that important; Greatest Royal Rumble achieved literally nothing was entirely just a dolled up house show.
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Post by Redbeard's Ghost on Aug 20, 2018 16:43:07 GMT -5
In my opinion, everything outside of Royal Rumble-Wrestlemania weekend seems to be just place holder shows now. If they are going to still consider Summerslam and Survivor Series two of the "Big 4", they need to make them feel special again. Bring back the special sets, for one thing. The homogenized look of WWE TV has made everything look and feel like an episode of RAW.
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Post by 4real on Aug 21, 2018 1:18:16 GMT -5
Well Slayer are almost done so I guess you're right.
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