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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Sept 29, 2018 15:10:22 GMT -5
Abyss would’ve taken a hundred percent pay cut. 125%. He seems that dumb.
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Post by chrom on Sept 29, 2018 15:31:34 GMT -5
Imagine if AJ took the money and kicked around a few more years. No reinvention, no Bullet Club, no aggressive statement of "Nah I'm the f***ing best and just doesn't TNA wasn't using me right doesn't mean I don't still have it". He lacks that spark and leverage to make the big WWE move, probably doesn't land as good a deal as he does at the time he did, either he doesn't come to the main roster right away or he does so more of a midcarder and not a guy Vince will have a vested financial interest in pushing to the main event. Just crazy to think how much that TNA offer changed the course of his career and sent the ripples it did through the rest of wrestling in the process. It's rare TNA f***s it up so bad they do the rest of the wrestling world a net positive, but here we are. Like, no shit, just look at it through one facet: If AJ takes that offer, where is the Bullet Club now? Are they nearly even as over as they are now? AJ signing with New Japan turned Bullet Club from group with a cult underground following into a household name in wrestling. They became the topic of everyone as their shirts were then seen every were after he showed up.
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Post by Shark on Sept 29, 2018 16:50:36 GMT -5
It's a life changing decision he made He went from making $350K to over $2Mill 4 years later in WWE Hell, even consider this; does he still keep the AJ Styles name? Samoa Joe as far as his contributions to current guys right now is undervalued. He's the reason guys are coming from Indies and Japan and able to keep the name people associate them with instead of switching it. If AJ stays in TNA he's probably like Roode, EY, Joe where 2 of those guys got top runs in NXT but they were down their coaching before they came up to the main roster so that's another 2 years off his career James Storm opened the door for TNA guys, Samoa Joe knocked the door open for indie guys to be able to keep their names and some their value, and AJ has knocked it out the park more than you could have ever hoped. Vince went from let's see what he can do, to f*** it he's our guy and one of the first guys in a long time where he came from another company as a big name (2 in fact) and Vince still made him one his stars
Well what's crazy about it is that AJ at once feels like a guy who got WWE-ified and turned into a "Vince creation" while also feeling 100% like AJ Styles. Like no amount of forced marketing phrases from Cole can change that he's still AJ. It's probably just on him as a talent for making it work, but he's survived Vinceification so much better than pretty much anyone else who made their name elsewhere. I'd actually say that's why AJ's as over as he is right now. I think Vince saw that AJ could be a top guy, but I think he wanted to put him through the paces and in a sense make sure it wasn't all hype. I remember people saying AJ was going to be dead in the water after he lost to Jericho at Mania, then coming up short against Roman. AJ going through that, likely never complaining and putting out 100% effort likely convinced Vince that AJ was worth the investment. After the Roman matches, AJ's beating Cena twice on PPV and then is the WWE champion by September.
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Post by MrElijah on Sept 29, 2018 19:02:35 GMT -5
Like, no shit, just look at it through one facet: If AJ takes that offer, where is the Bullet Club now? Are they nearly even as over as they are now? f***, bigger than Bullet Club; think about that period of New Japan and how rare and elusive the IWGP title was; only five guys have held it in the past seven years, and AJ was the first one to break the Okada/Tana cycle. How completely f***ing different would New Japan's main event scene be without AJ in there? Would we have seen IWGP Heavyweight Champion Karl Anderson? Without AJ to negotiate a deal for him and Gallows, does Omega even become the new leader and have his main event ascension? Would that give Naito the position of dethroning Okada's big run after all? God this really f***s up everything. With AJ, didn't Bullet Club win all the IWGP titles?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 19:25:31 GMT -5
With AJ, didn't Bullet Club win all the IWGP titles? They held all of the titles at some point but not all of them at the same time (though they came close in the summer of 2014). Without AJ to negotiate a deal for him and Gallows, does Omega even become the new leader and have his main event ascension? Would that give Naito the position of dethroning Okada's big run after all? God this really f***s up everything. According to Omega, he was supposed to replace Devitt/Balor until NJPW found out AJ was available. So Omega was probably going to get a big push regardless, if anything AJ may have slowed down Kenny's push.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Sept 30, 2018 0:47:33 GMT -5
Abyss would’ve taken a hundred percent pay cut. 125%. He seems that dumb.
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 30, 2018 9:05:08 GMT -5
The funniest part about all this is the night AJ dropped the title to Magnus and left, they protected and booked him like 80's Hogan in that match. They did that with Sting too. His last match in TNA was almost indentical to Styles last match.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 8:57:42 GMT -5
Well what's crazy about it is that AJ at once feels like a guy who got WWE-ified and turned into a "Vince creation" while also feeling 100% like AJ Styles. Like no amount of forced marketing phrases from Cole can change that he's still AJ. It's probably just on him as a talent for making it work, but he's survived Vinceification so much better than pretty much anyone else who made their name elsewhere. I'd actually say that's why AJ's as over as he is right now. I think Vince saw that AJ could be a top guy, but I think he wanted to put him through the paces and in a sense make sure it wasn't all hype. I remember people saying AJ was going to be dead in the water after he lost to Jericho at Mania, then coming up short against Roman. AJ going through that, likely never complaining and putting out 100% effort likely convinced Vince that AJ was worth the investment. After the Roman matches, AJ's beating Cena twice on PPV and then is the WWE champion by September. Bryan Alvarez said something similar to this after reviewing one of the Roman matches (the one with the announce table bumps). That making Roman look that good, performing that well, means Vince will value him and know he can insert him in a main event whenever he needs a good match.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 1, 2018 11:18:23 GMT -5
Without AJ to negotiate a deal for him and Gallows, does Omega even become the new leader and have his main event ascension? Would that give Naito the position of dethroning Okada's big run after all? God this really f***s up everything. According to Omega, he was supposed to replace Devitt/Balor until NJPW found out AJ was available. So Omega was probably going to get a big push regardless, if anything AJ may have slowed down Kenny's push. Makes sense, although that does raise kind of a similar predicament; does a 2014 Kenny Omega have what it takes to be what 2017 Kenny Omega was? WK 9 and 10 were still going to be locked up in the Okada/Tanahashi feud, so does that leave Kenny without the opportunity to put on something on the level of WK11 that ends up solidifying him as a viable star, something people weren't sure he could do before that match lit everyone on fire? Even if he gets the title win in 2014 that AJ was supposed to get, if he was any less the performer then the whole thing could have fallen through. Having his push slowed until a time when he could step forward and be a big star with all the pieces in place may be the best thing that could have happened to Kenny, and that goes out the window if AJ stays.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 1, 2018 20:24:08 GMT -5
According to Omega, he was supposed to replace Devitt/Balor until NJPW found out AJ was available. So Omega was probably going to get a big push regardless, if anything AJ may have slowed down Kenny's push. Makes sense, although that does raise kind of a similar predicament; does a 2014 Kenny Omega have what it takes to be what 2017 Kenny Omega was? WK 9 and 10 were still going to be locked up in the Okada/Tanahashi feud, so does that leave Kenny without the opportunity to put on something on the level of WK11 that ends up solidifying him as a viable star, something people weren't sure he could do before that match lit everyone on fire? Even if he gets the title win in 2014 that AJ was supposed to get, if he was any less the performer then the whole thing could have fallen through. Having his push slowed until a time when he could step forward and be a big star with all the pieces in place may be the best thing that could have happened to Kenny, and that goes out the window if AJ stays. Yea, Kenny wasn't ready in 2014 and BC probably would have been looking for someone else to lead
That's not to say Kenny isn't good but he was still JHW and the time and even if they forced him up to HW he was still sitting behind Tana and Okada
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Post by chazraps on Oct 1, 2018 21:22:11 GMT -5
The funniest part about all this is the night AJ dropped the title to Magnus and left, they protected and booked him like 80's Hogan in that match. They did that with Sting too. His last match in TNA was almost indentical to Styles last match. I mean, when you have the chance to re-create the classic Magnus-Styles finish, you take it.
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Post by benstudd on Oct 2, 2018 3:36:14 GMT -5
Yea before he went to Japan and I heard he was probably not gonna sign back, I went I'm through with these bozos, this company is dead. Cause amidst mutliple booking crapazoids, at least you would turn on Impact and AJ Styles, the best Wrestler in the World was still there no matter what. He was worth watching. Not only that but it was a huge slap in the face to him. I was disgusted.
Still this was 2013, right? Wasn't it not too long after that they lost the Spike Deal? They would never been able to afford him on the former deal anyway.
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Post by msc on Oct 2, 2018 8:20:26 GMT -5
I'd actually say that's why AJ's as over as he is right now. I think Vince saw that AJ could be a top guy, but I think he wanted to put him through the paces and in a sense make sure it wasn't all hype. I remember people saying AJ was going to be dead in the water after he lost to Jericho at Mania, then coming up short against Roman. AJ going through that, likely never complaining and putting out 100% effort likely convinced Vince that AJ was worth the investment. After the Roman matches, AJ's beating Cena twice on PPV and then is the WWE champion by September. Bryan Alvarez said something similar to this after reviewing one of the Roman matches (the one with the announce table bumps). That making Roman look that good, performing that well, means Vince will value him and know he can insert him in a main event whenever he needs a good match. Not seen them since, but doesn't AJ get a visual pin on Reigns during one of those matches? iirc that's the moment I knew Vince loved him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 2, 2018 11:29:31 GMT -5
Yea before he went to Japan and I heard he was probably not gonna sign back, I went I'm through with these bozos, this company is dead. Cause amidst mutliple booking crapazoids, at least you would turn on Impact and AJ Styles, the best Wrestler in the World was still there no matter what. He was worth watching. Not only that but it was a huge slap in the face to him. I was disgusted. Still this was 2013, right? Wasn't it not too long after that they lost the Spike Deal? They would never been able to afford him on the former deal anyway. I mean they could have. They still had Kurt Angle and a few others on contract around that time They could have easily agreed to the deal but the problem would have come if he started getting late checks or in Roode and EY case, the company owing them money
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Oct 2, 2018 13:25:41 GMT -5
They did that with Sting too. His last match in TNA was almost indentical to Styles last match. I mean, when you have the chance to re-create the classic Magnus-Styles finish, you take it.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 8, 2018 7:51:33 GMT -5
...Dixie will forever be known as a joke and probably the worst wrestling promoter of all time. Hold my cocaine... Herb actually paid his guys and advertised his product. He's streets ahead of Dixie.
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Post by CeilingFan on Oct 8, 2018 8:11:24 GMT -5
AJ made the right decision. Even if TNA had offered him a good deal he was destined for bigger and better things.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 8, 2018 8:15:10 GMT -5
AJ made the right decision. Even if TNA had offered him a good deal he was destined for bigger and better things. AJ could have went anywhere else and he would have nailed it,I think leaving TNA for any other big promotion was the right choice.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 8, 2018 17:37:56 GMT -5
I'd love for there to be a roast of Dixie Carter where she has to sit there and listen to every stupid thing she's done for six hours. That could be the reality show you were so desperate for, Dixie! ”welcome to the Comedy Central roast of Dixie Carter presented by Daffney featuring roast master Jesse Sorensen” 'You know Dixie, I'm really impressed you showed up tonight. You know what they say, words can hurt... not as much as incredibly green Dudley rejects can. Or incredibly dangerous neck injuries. We all know how much those things hurt right? And medical bills for neck injuries too, right? Oh shit actually Dixie has no idea how much either of those things hurt...' Timing is everything. This ended up working perfectly for AJ. He left TNA at the right time and went to the WWE at the right time (if he went there years earlier he probably has a different name right now). Good for him. Not making him and Joe the top guys in the company in the ‘10’s was laughable. I guess the world was too busy asking for that Ken Anderson super push. Now, now, now, to be fair... ...not making Joe the top guy in like 2006 onwards was laughable. Abyss would’ve taken a hundred percent pay cut. 125%. He seems that dumb. He would also somehow use that pay cut to gig himself in the meeting about it.
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Post by abjordans on Oct 9, 2018 5:46:33 GMT -5
Literally the best thing that ever happened to him as he has become a millionaire several times over and cemented himself as one of WWE’s best ever. Think about that- AJ Styles has had one of the best WWE career’s ever. Bet on yourself.
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