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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 19, 2018 10:02:58 GMT -5
Not many people know this but before Pillman departing wcw, Hogan wanted to work with him on Uncensored 96, and by wanting to work with him I mean pin him clean lol, Pillman then worked Bischoff into releasing him haha. Steal his heat, take the credit for the money drawn and squash the hell out of him Brian was actually booked in Uncensored 96, and since Hogan had creative control there was nothing Pillman could do about it, luckily he had surgery scheduled, so Pillman got away from getting squashed. Brian knew that Hogan was gonna steal his heat at any moment so he convinced Bischoff to give him his release.
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Post by benstudd on Oct 19, 2018 21:20:02 GMT -5
Why? Because they did something they want to make it seem real in an activity that is fake? Oh the humanity...! It's not original but not criminal. Because it's stupid booking now just as it was stupid booking back then. "This is all fake but that's real" is what it says Not saying it was great booking but I can just picture wrestling bookers around the table trying to make this thing called wrestling more real. It's not easy. Like say you go "alright these guys are gonna bad mouth each other on the net. hey guys make it seem as real as possible. Then maybe after Aries lose, you go on a fit and leave". I know people rather see everythinhg as sinister but maybe it's just something as simple as wanting to do heat and playing with perception. We are in an era where it's hard to do "real" stuff cause when you try fooling people, because kayfabe is broken, now people are pissed when you try to fool them.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Oct 19, 2018 21:40:55 GMT -5
I hope Aries starts his own promotion, makes himself the champion, then books himself to drop the belt, and burns his own bridge on his way out, telling himself to go f*** himself. Like, I may invest hard-earned money in it to see it happen. I bought a lotto ticket with this thought in mind. I can't believe he went mental over a short joke. He's never been long on patience.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 19, 2018 22:07:08 GMT -5
I can't believe he went mental over a short joke. He's never been long on patience. That's no tall tale, for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 1:50:29 GMT -5
Because it's stupid booking now just as it was stupid booking back then. "This is all fake but that's real" is what it says Not saying it was great booking but I can just picture wrestling bookers around the table trying to make this thing called wrestling more real. It's not easy. Like say you go "alright these guys are gonna bad mouth each other on the net. hey guys make it seem as real as possible. Then maybe after Aries lose, you go on a fit and leave". I know people rather see everythinhg as sinister but maybe it's just something as simple as wanting to do heat and playing with perception. We are in an era where it's hard to do "real" stuff cause when you try fooling people, because kayfabe is broken, now people are pissed when you try to fool them. I don't see it as sinister. I see it as russo-esque 'working the marks' which is the last thing they need to be doing creatively. They've got their lucha budgetground thing going on, I don't see many worked shoots there. It cuts the legs from the rest of their show. Basically it undermines significant amounts of repair work.
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Post by markymark on Oct 20, 2018 14:44:37 GMT -5
But for such a worked shoot, Impact seems to be treating Aries like he is Chris Benoit(not existing in the Wrestling World if u get me).
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 21, 2018 5:13:25 GMT -5
If this was a worked shoot, then this is the second time Aries has been in a Bound for Glory main event and there has been a worked shoot storyline. Remember in 2012 when he turned heel just before facing Jeff Hardy?
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Post by romanstylesiii on Oct 21, 2018 23:48:58 GMT -5
I have never understood why wrestlers get so bitter. You get to make 6-figures, be on TV, and are famous.
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Post by benstudd on Oct 22, 2018 4:32:13 GMT -5
Not saying it was great booking but I can just picture wrestling bookers around the table trying to make this thing called wrestling more real. It's not easy. Like say you go "alright these guys are gonna bad mouth each other on the net. hey guys make it seem as real as possible. Then maybe after Aries lose, you go on a fit and leave". I know people rather see everythinhg as sinister but maybe it's just something as simple as wanting to do heat and playing with perception. We are in an era where it's hard to do "real" stuff cause when you try fooling people, because kayfabe is broken, now people are pissed when you try to fool them. I don't see it as sinister. I see it as russo-esque 'working the marks' which is the last thing they need to be doing creatively. They've got their lucha budgetground thing going on, I don't see many worked shoots there. It cuts the legs from the rest of their show. Basically it undermines significant amounts of repair work. I don't disagree. I mean to me it was just something badly executed. As for the whole repair work, I think it's too little too late. I see a lot of people saying Impact has done a lot of things right since Callis came in but there's like no buzz anywhere with the company. I don't know how they make their money.
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Post by WWEedy on Oct 22, 2018 4:47:52 GMT -5
Working the marks is what wresting is. You all just got too smart to appreciate it. Wrestling is not for people too smart to be fooled or too smart to at least play along. This thread is at eight pages, I don't see many other threads go this far. Also you don't know what's going on yet, all this complaining over speculation. I don't understand people sometimes.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Oct 22, 2018 8:57:32 GMT -5
Because it's stupid booking now just as it was stupid booking back then. "This is all fake but that's real" is what it says Not saying it was great booking but I can just picture wrestling bookers around the table trying to make this thing called wrestling more real. It's not easy. Like say you go "alright these guys are gonna bad mouth each other on the net. hey guys make it seem as real as possible. Then maybe after Aries lose, you go on a fit and leave". I know people rather see everythinhg as sinister but maybe it's just something as simple as wanting to do heat and playing with perception. We are in an era where it's hard to do "real" stuff cause when you try fooling people, because kayfabe is broken, now people are pissed when you try to fool them. It doesn’t need to be “real” to be good, it just needs to be good. Look at Ciampa turning heel on Gargano in front of the smarkiest of smark internet wrestling fans, and it absolutely 100% worked. No worked shoots, no 4th wall bullshit, a heel beating up a face. The formula will always work if you give the fans a reason for it to work.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Oct 22, 2018 10:12:06 GMT -5
Working the marks is what wresting is. You all just got too smart to appreciate it. Wrestling is not for people too smart to be fooled or too smart to at least play along. This thread is at eight pages, I don't see many other threads go this far. Also you don't know what's going on yet, all this complaining over speculation. I don't understand people sometimes. Please read the comments posted above, we're mad that TNA is apparently recurring to bullshit Russo angles despite the fact that they were improving and creating good will with the fans. The thread is eight pages because its loltna we're mocking them.
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Post by WWEedy on Oct 22, 2018 12:44:55 GMT -5
Working the marks is what wresting is. You all just got too smart to appreciate it. Wrestling is not for people too smart to be fooled or too smart to at least play along. This thread is at eight pages, I don't see many other threads go this far. Also you don't know what's going on yet, all this complaining over speculation. I don't understand people sometimes. Please read the comments posted above, we're mad that TNA is apparently recurring to bullshit Russo angles despite the fact that they were improving and creating good will with the fans. The thread is eight pages because its loltna we're mocking them. "Apparently". One angle does not make a bad show make. 8 pages of " lolTNA" which translates to spitting in the wind, it's tired. It's still 8 pages of talk about Impact which rarely happens. I repeat, I don't understand people sometimes.
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Post by Nosnorb on Oct 22, 2018 13:23:52 GMT -5
Please read the comments posted above, we're mad that TNA is apparently recurring to bullshit Russo angles despite the fact that they were improving and creating good will with the fans. The thread is eight pages because its loltna we're mocking them. "Apparently". One angle does not make a bad show make. 8 pages of " lolTNA" which translates to spitting in the wind, it's tired. It's still 8 pages of talk about Impact which rarely happens. I repeat, I don't understand people sometimes. The problem with the angle (if it is one) that happened at BfG was that it not only made Johnny Impact look awful, that angle happened in the main event of the biggest show of the year. And a worked shoot angle also undercuts other angles going on at the same time.
You can't do an angle like that when you have The Undead Realm on the same show.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 22, 2018 17:22:07 GMT -5
Working the marks is what wresting is. You all just got too smart to appreciate it. Wrestling is not for people too smart to be fooled or too smart to at least play along. This thread is at eight pages, I don't see many other threads go this far. Also you don't know what's going on yet, all this complaining over speculation. I don't understand people sometimes. Please read the comments posted above, we're mad that TNA is apparently recurring to bullshit Russo angles despite the fact that they were improving and creating good will with the fans. The thread is eight pages because its loltna we're mocking them. Eight pages of attacking a company for an angle that there is no evidence is actually planned, nevermind underway. I'm not entirely sure that Impact are the ones who should be 'lol'-ed at here.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Oct 22, 2018 19:01:10 GMT -5
Eight pages of attacking a company for an angle that there is no evidence is actually planned, nevermind underway. I'm not entirely sure that Impact are the ones who should be 'lol'-ed at here. It's not exactly a good look for them either way. Either they decided to end the main event of their nominal biggest event of the year with a big "Everything you just saw was fake, except this one guy is legit pissed, and you can tell because he's shrugging off the fake match he just wrestled that we were just depending on you to pay $ to watch", or they trusted most of 2018 building their company around a dude willing to undermine their entire product because he never got over being too short to go on the rides with all the other kids.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 1:46:27 GMT -5
Please read the comments posted above, we're mad that TNA is apparently recurring to bullshit Russo angles despite the fact that they were improving and creating good will with the fans. The thread is eight pages because its loltna we're mocking them. "Apparently". One angle does not make a bad show make. 8 pages of " lolTNA" which translates to spitting in the wind, it's tired. It's still 8 pages of talk about Impact which rarely happens. I repeat, I don't understand people sometimes. Okay, yeah, this has people talking about TNA. And? That doesn't mean it's automatically positive or translates to any sort of interest in where it goes. That's the problem with worked shoot stuff like this, it's only interesting before you're sure it's fake. Once you know it's just them going, "See, this part of the show is more real than the rest!" there's no reason to care anymore. "Oh look, that short guy who no-sold a finisher is back!" isn't an interesting story hook when you remove the nonsense surrounding it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 23, 2018 2:07:17 GMT -5
"Apparently". One angle does not make a bad show make. 8 pages of " lolTNA" which translates to spitting in the wind, it's tired. It's still 8 pages of talk about Impact which rarely happens. I repeat, I don't understand people sometimes. Okay, yeah, this has people talking about TNA. And? That doesn't mean it's automatically positive or translates to any sort of interest in where it goes. That's the problem with worked shoot stuff like this, it's only interesting before you're sure it's fake. Once you know it's just them going, "See, this part of the show is more real than the rest!" there's no reason to care anymore. "Oh look, that short guy who no-sold a finisher is back!" isn't an interesting story hook when you remove the nonsense surrounding it. Not to mention we're talking about TNA! I can almost guarantee no in this thread that didn't watch TNA before tonight is suddenly going to tune in because of this... so that makes it a failure as a booking/advertising tactic.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 23, 2018 2:23:01 GMT -5
Because it's stupid booking now just as it was stupid booking back then. "This is all fake but that's real" is what it says Not saying it was great booking but I can just picture wrestling bookers around the table trying to make this thing called wrestling more real. It's not easy. Like say you go "alright these guys are gonna bad mouth each other on the net. hey guys make it seem as real as possible. Then maybe after Aries lose, you go on a fit and leave". I know people rather see everythinhg as sinister but maybe it's just something as simple as wanting to do heat and playing with perception. We are in an era where it's hard to do "real" stuff cause when you try fooling people, because kayfabe is broken, now people are pissed when you try to fool them. Nah dude people don't get pissed when you try to fool them, they just want the worked shoto nonsense to stop because it's f***ing dumb. It's not a matter of being afraid of getting worked, it's just that it's f***ing lame TV and the success rate on worked shoots in wrestling is so low it wouldn't be allowed on a roller coaster. Working the marks is what wresting is. You all just got too smart to appreciate it. Wrestling is not for people too smart to be fooled or too smart to at least play along. This thread is at eight pages, I don't see many other threads go this far. Also you don't know what's going on yet, all this complaining over speculation. I don't understand people sometimes. Well then you'd better hope wrestling is able to survive off of literal toddlers and Indian 15 year-olds because the idea that instead of evolving into a solidly written scripted program it just exists as an endless bout of fourth wall nonsense is proven to not be a sustainable means of holding an audience.
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Post by WWEedy on Oct 23, 2018 4:21:37 GMT -5
Please read the comments posted above, we're mad that TNA is apparently recurring to bullshit Russo angles despite the fact that they were improving and creating good will with the fans. The thread is eight pages because its loltna we're mocking them. Eight pages of attacking a company for an angle that there is no evidence is actually planned, nevermind underway. I'm not entirely sure that Impact are the ones who should be 'lol'-ed at here. Yup.
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