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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 27, 2018 20:14:01 GMT -5
I like how that bald guy's cartoon video talks about how the documentary ignores Apu's positive qualities but then talks about Kumar from the Harold and Kumar movies.
"He likes weed and eating hamburgers and that's it."
Okay. Dude was also a brilliant mind that could become a doctor anytime he wanted but sure. AND GOOD LORD THIS VIDEO IS LIKE THREE WEEKS LONG.
(I will say that modern Simpsons has gotten really mean with Flanders. What the hell man.)
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Post by paulbearer on Oct 27, 2018 20:20:40 GMT -5
Wanna see offensive then go to YouTube and search for "Nazi Per" played by Otto Jespersen (of Troll Hunter fame) , things have just become a lot more pc since the 90s , next theyre gonna remove the italian stereotypes like gangster or pizza baker
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Post by paulbearer on Oct 27, 2018 20:22:28 GMT -5
It's not a really great portrayal of the Scottish people.
Willie hasn't ever been the sole representative of Scottish people in prime time entertainment. Apu had been one of the only - and at time perhaps the only - prominent Indian characters on TV from 1989 until late into the last decade. It had to be done
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 27, 2018 20:33:45 GMT -5
*sigh* Indian people explain their case logically. Other people call them cry babies and offended too easily. The above response more represents their complaint about said Indians. Here's the thibg fellow white people. If the people pardied speak out about something. It's reasonable to hear them out. Not just here, anywhere always. Hanks reaponse to the problem with Apu was degrading. The Simpson's in ahow reaponse was degrading. If it took f***ing south park to make people give this a proper look, it says a lot about people. People don't like the brown face gimmick. Get rid of it. Literally that simple. Is f***ing Apu the hill people want to die on? Indians don't like it. Hanks gonna be fine doing his 40 other out of date characters on a show no one cares about anymore. Which Indians are we talking about? Indian Americans/Western Indians or the ones living in India?
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Post by paulbearer on Oct 27, 2018 20:35:09 GMT -5
In Norway we have a man called "Sotrapedoen" , (hes from the town of S-o-t-r-a , outside Bergen) but hes known all over Norway , anyway kids have been prank calling him for 20 yrs but no evidence has ever surfaced that he actually has molested someone and even comedian Kristian Valen likes to imitate him , hes like Mr Herbert on Family Guy They even made songs about him , theyre not pc in any way...at all Sometimes inappropiate black humor can make you chuckle , just saying I think taking stereotypes out of Simpsons is like neutering James Bond , Bond should be a little rough and chauvenistic , its part of the character
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Post by Welfare Willis on Oct 27, 2018 21:54:38 GMT -5
Man, I think this really carved up every point made in the Apu doc. The whole point of the Apu character has always been that on the surface he is a stereotype, but under the hood he is anything but. To insert a perfectly timed Simpsons reference- That’s the joke. Does it, though? The point of the original documentary wasn't really "here are all the bad things about Apu's character, while neglecting anything good"; part of why the issue is so challenging is because it's acknowledged that Apu wasn't written with overtly negative intentions in mind, but that doesn't change the experiences that a lot of Indian people went through while Apu was pretty much the only mainstream depiction of their culture on network TV. That's more the point of the entire argument, that people had negative experiences with the character in their lives due to their ethnic identities, not that the character himself is somehow irredeemable or has nothing of value to offer. Basically, I agree that during the Simpsons' golden age Apu was often well-written and at times used to subvert the lazy stereotypes that so often defined characters like him in mass media; doesn't change, however, that other people had a negative experience because of the character, and that, yeah, his writing, casting, and characterization also comes with some problematic aspects. Life's complicated. Yes, thank you for stating it so well. This is an issue we are seeing not just with Apu, but a lot of Asian cultures wanting better or more accurate representation in Hollywood.
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Post by paulbearer on Oct 27, 2018 22:19:50 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Oct 27, 2018 22:28:55 GMT -5
Norway is also a far less diverse country than the United States. So these issues won't be as prominent there as they are here.
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Post by paulbearer on Oct 27, 2018 22:33:58 GMT -5
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Oct 27, 2018 22:39:17 GMT -5
Fair enough but in Sweden they actually had licorice candy called the n word , it was made by Marabou which is similar company like Hersheys , this was produced at least back in the 50s/60s and maybe even 70s We've had plenty of products using names like that in the US over the last two centuries. It wasn't right then and it isn't right now.
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Post by paulbearer on Oct 27, 2018 22:45:34 GMT -5
Im not familiar with US products but I dont doubt it
It wasnt just N word candy in Sweden , they also had candy named "Uncle Tom" , "Zulu" , "Black Jim" and "Kongo"
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 27, 2018 22:49:46 GMT -5
Does it, though? The point of the original documentary wasn't really "here are all the bad things about Apu's character, while neglecting anything good"; part of why the issue is so challenging is because it's acknowledged that Apu wasn't written with overtly negative intentions in mind, but that doesn't change the experiences that a lot of Indian people went through while Apu was pretty much the only mainstream depiction of their culture on network TV. That's more the point of the entire argument, that people had negative experiences with the character in their lives due to their ethnic identities, not that the character himself is somehow irredeemable or has nothing of value to offer. Basically, I agree that during the Simpsons' golden age Apu was often well-written and at times used to subvert the lazy stereotypes that so often defined characters like him in mass media; doesn't change, however, that other people had a negative experience because of the character, and that, yeah, his writing, casting, and characterization also comes with some problematic aspects. Life's complicated. Yes, thank you for stating it so well. This is an issue we are seeing not just with Apu, but a lot of Asian cultures wanting better or more accurate representation in Hollywood. Which Asians? Asian Americans/Westernized Asians, expats, Asians in their respected countries or Asians in general?
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Post by paulbearer on Oct 27, 2018 22:51:26 GMT -5
I assume Chinese and Japanese.
Of course in Hwood asians always know martial arts , I dont take stereotypes so seriously....its just fiction in the end
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Oct 27, 2018 23:01:33 GMT -5
Im not familiar with US products but I dont doubt it It wasnt just N word candy in Sweden , they also had candy named "Uncle Tom" , "Zulu" , "Black Jim" and "Kongo" What the f***, Sweden?
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Post by carter 15 on Oct 27, 2018 23:12:48 GMT -5
Every single character in the Simpsons is a stereotype. Sucks what we've come to.
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Post by paulbearer on Oct 27, 2018 23:17:14 GMT -5
Im not familiar with US products but I dont doubt it It wasnt just N word candy in Sweden , they also had candy named "Uncle Tom" , "Zulu" , "Black Jim" and "Kongo" What the f***, Sweden? 50s and 60s is a long long time ago though.....The book 007 LALD had a chapter in it that had to be re-titled in the US (yes , n word again) Also Pippi Longstockings father is not to be referred to as "negro king" again in books then you have Tintin in Kongo from 1930 , despite the racism people in Kongo actually like that comic
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Post by the2ndevil on Oct 27, 2018 23:19:08 GMT -5
I like how that bald guy's cartoon video talks about how the documentary ignores Apu's positive qualities but then talks about Kumar from the Harold and Kumar movies. "He likes weed and eating hamburgers and that's it." Okay. Dude was also a brilliant mind that could become a doctor anytime he wanted but sure. AND GOOD LORD THIS VIDEO IS LIKE THREE WEEKS LONG. (I will say that modern Simpsons has gotten really mean with Flanders. What the hell man.) I saw that in my recommended videos on YouTube (thanks, algorithm!) before I even heard of this. Was going to watch it, but then I saw just long the video was.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Oct 27, 2018 23:19:34 GMT -5
50s and 60s is a long long time ago though.....The book 007 LALD had a chapter in it that had to be re-titled in the US (yes , n word again) Ah, my apologies, I thought this candy was still being sold.
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Post by paulbearer on Oct 27, 2018 23:21:23 GMT -5
No , it mightve disappeared before the 70s.....but as I mentioned Black Boy spices was on the market until around 10 yrs ago
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Oct 27, 2018 23:22:45 GMT -5
All right, Sweden, you're all right, again.
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