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Post by Wardlow on Wardlow 54 on Nov 7, 2018 23:07:43 GMT -5
So that tag team elimination match...
New Day and Usos were confirmed. Rest of the team... Gallows and Anderson, SAnitY(ugh the burial continues) and... Colons? Is there even anyone else?
And for Raw... Revival, Roode and Gable, Lucha House Party, Ascension and... probably The B-Team?
This match has to be pre-show, right? And about ten minutes long?
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Post by KofiMania on Nov 8, 2018 0:50:43 GMT -5
So that tag team elimination match... New Day and Usos were confirmed. Rest of the team... Gallows and Anderson, SAnitY(ugh the burial continues) and... Colons? Is there even anyone else? And for Raw... Revival, Roode and Gable, Lucha House Party, Ascension and... probably The B-Team? This match has to be pre-show, right? And about ten minutes long? Could put together some makeshift teams of midcard singles wrestlers that aren’t being used. Balor and Elias?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 8, 2018 3:43:06 GMT -5
So that tag team elimination match... New Day and Usos were confirmed. Rest of the team... Gallows and Anderson, SAnitY(ugh the burial continues) and... Colons? Is there even anyone else? And for Raw... Revival, Roode and Gable, Lucha House Party, Ascension and... probably The B-Team? This match has to be pre-show, right? And about ten minutes long? Could put together some makeshift teams of midcard singles wrestlers that aren’t being used. Balor and Elias? BALIAS!
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 8, 2018 7:21:54 GMT -5
So that tag team elimination match... New Day and Usos were confirmed. Rest of the team... Gallows and Anderson, SAnitY(ugh the burial continues) and... Colons? Is there even anyone else? And for Raw... Revival, Roode and Gable, Lucha House Party, Ascension and... probably The B-Team? This match has to be pre-show, right? And about ten minutes long? That match shouldn't go ten minutes. About half that, and with New Day and The Usos dominating.
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Nov 8, 2018 12:50:43 GMT -5
I hope one day we can get something like an NXT vs. NXT UK version of this.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 9, 2018 2:51:38 GMT -5
I hope one day we can get something like an NXT vs. NXT UK version of this. I figure War Games might eventually become NXT vs. NXT UK. Once Undisputed Era leaves for the main roster, they are out of their big heel faction and will need a good hook for the show.
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Post by Abdullah on Nov 10, 2018 6:31:14 GMT -5
That match shouldn't go ten minutes. About half that, and with New Day and The Usos dominating. I realize that not every member of this board has the same complaints. I'm more so using your post as a jumping off point. With that in mind, it's glaringly obvious that WWE has been relying on an increasingly narrow set of superstars. We see New Day vs The Bar endlessly. So, when we see a match with a bunch of people that don't get used much then I feel it's incorrect to say: 'these people are not important; ergo, this match is not important.' It might be how WWE ends up viewing the match, you may be right, but that shouldn't be the case. Some of the teams you've listed haven't been in a PPV match for years, others not at all, and it's a good opportunity to see who steps up and who might be worth investing in. We complain about the world title scene being booked around one guy (Lesnar/Reigns, Styles to a growing extent) but the tag scene is barely better. For the most part, it's a variation of New Day, the Usos and The Bar. It has been for at least two years now. If they book this match well, they'd have an opportunity to heat up some teams. Like literally. Just give Revival the most eliminations and a strong showing before being eliminated. Or better yet, have them go over New Day. There. Revival is fixed. No. Don't bury this on the preshow. Don't give it seven minutes. A lot of good can be done here.
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 10, 2018 8:50:13 GMT -5
That match shouldn't go ten minutes. About half that, and with New Day and The Usos dominating. I realize that not every member of this board has the same complaints. I'm more so using your post as a jumping off point. With that in mind, it's glaringly obvious that WWE has been relying on an increasingly narrow set of superstars. We see New Day vs The Bar endlessly. So, when we see a match with a bunch of people that don't get used much then I feel it's incorrect to say: 'these people are not important; ergo, this match is not important.' It might be how WWE ends up viewing the match, you may be right, but that shouldn't be the case. Some of the teams you've listed haven't been in a PPV match for years, others not at all, and it's a good opportunity to see who steps up and who might be worth investing in. We complain about the world title scene being booked around one guy (Lesnar/Reigns, Styles to a growing extent) but the tag scene is barely better. For the most part, it's a variation of New Day, the Usos and The Bar. It has been for at least two years now. If they book this match well, they'd have an opportunity to heat up some teams. Like literally. Just give Revival the most eliminations and a strong showing before being eliminated. Or better yet, have them go over New Day. There. Revival is fixed. No. Don't bury this on the preshow. Don't give it seven minutes. A lot of good can be done here. Problem is, that pretty much all of the teams on Raw have been buried and are heatless. They are a lost cause, hell, they have been a lost cause since 'mania.
Best thing that could be done for the division on Raw is bring a new team from NXT to feud with AOP, because the ones that are left are just wack AF.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 10, 2018 9:04:38 GMT -5
I realize that not every member of this board has the same complaints. I'm more so using your post as a jumping off point. With that in mind, it's glaringly obvious that WWE has been relying on an increasingly narrow set of superstars. We see New Day vs The Bar endlessly. So, when we see a match with a bunch of people that don't get used much then I feel it's incorrect to say: 'these people are not important; ergo, this match is not important.' It might be how WWE ends up viewing the match, you may be right, but that shouldn't be the case. Some of the teams you've listed haven't been in a PPV match for years, others not at all, and it's a good opportunity to see who steps up and who might be worth investing in. We complain about the world title scene being booked around one guy (Lesnar/Reigns, Styles to a growing extent) but the tag scene is barely better. For the most part, it's a variation of New Day, the Usos and The Bar. It has been for at least two years now. If they book this match well, they'd have an opportunity to heat up some teams. Like literally. Just give Revival the most eliminations and a strong showing before being eliminated. Or better yet, have them go over New Day. There. Revival is fixed. No. Don't bury this on the preshow. Don't give it seven minutes. A lot of good can be done here. Problem is, that pretty much all of the teams on Raw have been buried and are heatless. They are a lost cause, hell, they have been a lost cause since 'mania.
Best thing that could be done for the division on Raw is bring a new team from NXT to feud with AOP, because the ones that are left are just wack AF.
It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. "The tag teams on RAW and SmackDown suck." "Why?" "Because they don't do anything with them and they have no heat." "Well, why not do something with them?" "No, because they suck." So we're trapped in this endless cycle where we complain that they don't do anything with the tag division, but any time someone suggests they do anything with them, it gets shot down because "they suck"... keeping in mind that they're either only booked to suck or are just not booked at all.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Nov 10, 2018 10:01:26 GMT -5
Hoping against hope we get another great fifteen minute epic between styles and Brock
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Post by Abdullah on Nov 10, 2018 11:04:44 GMT -5
Problem is, that pretty much all of the teams on Raw have been buried and are heatless. They are a lost cause, hell, they have been a lost cause since 'mania. Best thing that could be done for the division on Raw is bring a new team from NXT to feud with AOP, because the ones that are left are just wack AF. I'd have to concur with EoE: Well There's Your Problem. I don't see anything that couldn't be fixed or at least alleviated with a strong showing. It's booking that makes talent 'wack AF' and it's booking that can make talent worthwhile. Now we know that WWE aren't likely to spend weeks showing us Dash and Dawson rack up wins. That's not really their style. But they love big matches like this to reset the narrative or correct course. I genuinely believe that a lot of supposedly lost causes could see new life if WWE books this with just a little bit of care. That last part is unlikely. It's unlikely that WWE will care about booking every team well. But if they can help one or two teams by giving the match time and importance, then they absolutely should.
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 10, 2018 11:23:38 GMT -5
Problem is, that pretty much all of the teams on Raw have been buried and are heatless. They are a lost cause, hell, they have been a lost cause since 'mania. Best thing that could be done for the division on Raw is bring a new team from NXT to feud with AOP, because the ones that are left are just wack AF. I'd have to concur with EoE: Well There's Your Problem . I don't see anything that couldn't be fixed or at least alleviated with a strong showing. It's booking that makes talent 'wack AF' and it's booking that can make talent worthwhile. Now we know that WWE aren't likely to spend weeks showing us Dash and Dawson rack up wins. That's not really their style. But they love big matches like this to reset the narrative or correct course. I genuinely believe that a lot of supposedly lost causes could see new life if WWE books this with just a little bit of care. That last part is unlikely. It's unlikely that WWE will care about booking every team well. But if they can help one or two teams by giving the match time and importance, then they absolutely should. Problem is, that some teams truly are a lost cause and that booking can't help. Having Erick Rowan and Luke Harper lose their first names and wear the old slacks of Kane didn't help people care about them again, The Ascension have been a joke for their entire main roster run. And the Revival's gimmick of "Southern Wrasslers" was always going to be a tough sell on the main roster.
It's knowing which ones can be rescued and made credible, and which ones are dead in the water and which wrestlers have the skills to recover and reinvent themselves.
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Post by Abdullah on Nov 10, 2018 11:51:21 GMT -5
Problem is, that some teams truly are a lost cause and that booking can't help. Having Erick Rowan and Luke Harper lose their first names and wear the old slacks of Kane didn't help people care about them again, The Ascension have been a joke for their entire main roster run. And the Revival's gimmick of "Southern Wrasslers" was always going to be a tough sell on the main roster. It's knowing which ones can be rescued and made credible, and which ones are dead in the water and which wrestlers have the skills to recover and reinvent themselves. I really disagree. Specifically and more generally. Specifically, we've seen that Ascension can be a fun addition as recently as last year. Most people were like: 'wtf i like konnor and viktor now. lmao.' All it took was figuring out a niche for them and then writing them into the show. The Revival have had rough patches but were also booked strongly against Drew and Dolph last week. It really is as simple as giving them a dominant performance and seeing how much that helps. But beyond these specific examples, which we can disagree about endlessly, I think the idea of what you're saying is just... worrying. We've seen so many talents work perfectly on one stage, in NXT, and then not at all once they're called up. It's a pattern and it should be obvious that the issue is how the main roster is booked. That shouldn't be excused.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Nov 10, 2018 11:56:51 GMT -5
Team Raw The Revival Heath Slater & Rhyno B-Team The Ascension Bobby Roode & Chad Gable
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Team SmackDown The Usos The New Day Sanity Gallows & Anderson The Colon's? (Or just have all 3 members of New Day and Sanity cause I don't want to see the Colon's)
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 10, 2018 12:25:10 GMT -5
We've seen so many talents work perfectly on one stage, in NXT, and then not at all once they're called up. It's a pattern and it should be obvious that the issue is how the main roster is booked. That shouldn't be excused. It's true that there is a huge problem with how talent works in NXT then doesn't on the main roster.
The issue is, that rebuilding takes time, and that time could be spent with booking people that the main roster hasn't totally f***ed up with their booking, or by introducing a new team by putting together singles stars or calling another team up from NXT.
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Post by Abdullah on Nov 10, 2018 14:12:43 GMT -5
The issue is, that rebuilding takes time, and that time could be spent with booking people that the main roster hasn't totally f***ed up with their booking, or by introducing a new team by putting together singles stars or calling another team up from NXT. But by calling up a shiny new toy, let's say Bate and Seven, you're just increasing the likelihood that they'll be screwed up like everyone else before them. That doesn't really solve anything. It seems that we disagree on what is and isn't feasible. I think a good showing would go a very long way into fixing some of these teams. You don't. But... I don't get excusing the creative team so much. There individual differences between talent, some are better than others, but that can't be used as an excuse when most of these guys aren't getting TV time. You should give them time, give them room to work, and then you could reach a fairer conclusion about who to push. A flashy elimination match is the perfect opportunity to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 9:34:06 GMT -5
Becky vs. Ronda is the one I'm most looking forward to and it should main event, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't excited to watch Seth vs. Nak too.
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Post by hbkid718 on Nov 11, 2018 17:49:50 GMT -5
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 11, 2018 18:07:15 GMT -5
Becky vs. Ronda is the one I'm most looking forward to and it should main event, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't excited to watch Seth vs. Nak too. Honestly Becky/Ronda main eventing would be really great here. It can give the women a main event without it being about how it's HISTORIC but because it's a hot feud with two big stars, and that kind of organic decision is something the women desperately need. And with the top titles match being a rematch from last year and expected given the circumstances to be a really flat show, it's not like it has too much competition there.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 12, 2018 22:08:10 GMT -5
The tag team elimination match is the one currently set for the kickoff, so Murphy v Ali hasn’t been bumped... yet.
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