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Post by Main Eventer on Nov 13, 2018 22:54:26 GMT -5
They looked so shocked that Real Country is premiering soon.
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Post by blissified on Nov 13, 2018 22:54:54 GMT -5
The way roster has been lately i say a month before Bryan has to relinquish it cause of injury.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 22:55:31 GMT -5
"This place is a dump! I bet you don't even have an Apple store!"
"Your local wheatgrass smoothies suck!"
"This title right here shows why I am the best!" *takes title out of his Kanken backpack*
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Post by Chiral on Nov 13, 2018 22:56:09 GMT -5
All they care about is those f***ing shocked crowd reaction shots I swear. It's the only crowd reaction they consistently know how to get.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 22:56:23 GMT -5
I hate it. It's a f*** you. To whom? His fans? Giving the guy the belt is an odd way to say f*** you to his fans. See, I completely disagree with that because they gave Becky the belt surrounded by bullshit claims of, "You never REALLY liked her and this story we were obviously telling wasn't actually the story after all, haha!" I don't really take any solace in seeing someone be successful if it's completely outside the context of what I actually enjoy about them. Like with Bryan, I love him as the plucky underdog. I have absolutely no desire to watch him as a heel so the fact he's champion now doesn't really mean anything to me. Could argue that's my fault for bothering to care about the narrative instead of just the matches in a vacuum I guess but in that case why even bother having a story?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 13, 2018 22:56:50 GMT -5
"This place is a dump! I bet you don't even have an Apple store!" "Your local wheatgrass smoothies suck!" "This title right here shows why I am the best!" *takes title out of his Kanken backpack* Call up Dakota Kai to be his new girlfriend.
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Post by Some Guy on Nov 13, 2018 23:01:07 GMT -5
Strowman definitely hasn't been as over in a while and Rollins the same, mostly. The other three, yeah but Bryan was still probably the fourth most over guy at worst. He also got some boos against AJ yes but he was also getting a ton of cheers against him too, it wasn't pure heel heat. Strowman's still heavily over.
Rollins is still heavily over.
And nowhere did I say he was getting "pure heel heat", I was saying he was getting booed and his cheers have decreased. That's definitely a fact. Bryan's just not where he used to be and that's due to booking. I don't see how Bryan could be still the most over guy in the company and still get that bad of booking. Fact is that we can all agree his cheers have decreased and he wasn't booked correctly. I mean the crowd was sorta down on that match for a reason. I didn't say they weren't over, just that they weren't as over as they had been largely due to booking which is the same that happened with Bryan more or less. Hell last week Bryan got a long ovation in Manchester, if we're gonna use clips. As for tonight, I don't think any match was gonna get a big reaction after the Becky Lynch news. Both guys did what they could to get the crowd involved considering and it got the best you could expect.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 13, 2018 23:01:08 GMT -5
Lmao this is some wild shit that all the faces are now heels or "anti heroes"
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 13, 2018 23:01:50 GMT -5
It's at a point now where I just don't care if someone will do well as a heel or if they're going to be treated better in that role; the fact that's a reality is the problem in the first place. WWE has one trick right now and it is absolutely f***ing exhausting because all they're using it for is the same shock value "plot twist" that half the time comes out of absolutely f***ing nowhere. It's unsatisfying as an audience member to have no reason to care about these characters because the good guys will never thrive and it takes going villain to get anywhere and move up. Forget storytelling, forget building things the audience can care about. It's this same cyclical nonsense over and over again and it happens every f***ing time, so it loses its value as a story to tell by becoming the only way to see your favorites thrive, and even then it's a 50/50 if Zayn and Gargano are anything to go by.
Don't give a f*** if someone's going to do well in it, it's tiring and actively hurting my ability to enjoy wrestling because the good guys are just destined to fail or god bad like some kind of edgy Harry Potter fanfic. It's like all the worst part about '90s comic books with none of the mockability. This is some 2010 TNA shit and it needs to stop.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 13, 2018 23:02:16 GMT -5
I hate it. It's a f*** you. To whom? His fans? Giving the guy the belt is an odd way to say f*** you to his fans. Yea, what fan says don't give my guy the top title
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 23:05:23 GMT -5
Strowman's still heavily over.
Rollins is still heavily over.
And nowhere did I say he was getting "pure heel heat", I was saying he was getting booed and his cheers have decreased. That's definitely a fact. Bryan's just not where he used to be and that's due to booking. I don't see how Bryan could be still the most over guy in the company and still get that bad of booking. Fact is that we can all agree his cheers have decreased and he wasn't booked correctly. I mean the crowd was sorta down on that match for a reason. I didn't say they weren't over, just that they weren't as over as they had been largely due to booking which is the same that happened with Bryan more or less. Hell last week Bryan got a long ovation in Manchester, if we're gonna use clips. As for tonight, I don't think any match was gonna get a big reaction after the Becky Lynch news. Both guys did what they could to get the crowd involved considering and it got the best you could expect. I'm pretty sure Rollins and even Strowman's overness was more consistent than Bryans. I don't hear Rollins getting booed in matches, I don't hear face Strowman getting booed in matches. I've heard Bryan getting booed in matches this year even prior to this one. The fact is Bryan's booking and overness took a larger hit compared to where he was if you compare him to everyone else and besides that you know a heel turn works when you have the crowd booing the guy who turned heel like what happened tonight. If Bryan was still the most over guy in the company the crowd wouldn't have booed him tonight like they did. Either way, you can even compare AJ's chants and say AJ was more over than Bryan was tonight.
Point is Bryan's just not like he used to be and turning him heel and doing a new storyline for him (rather than the "Bryan is an underdog again and he's climbing his way to the title" storyline they do with every single singles title with him) is a smart decision.
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Post by No One on Nov 13, 2018 23:05:59 GMT -5
Poor AJ Styles. The guy he idolized growing up kicked him in the groin to win the title.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 23:07:24 GMT -5
Yeah he turned heel but I don't know how many times we can do the "Bryan is an underdog face and he's climbing his way to the tit-" storyline that we've seen with him getting every singles title he's gained in the company. This is the one that they actually flipped the script and did something different for him. This is going back to what made him mega-over in the first place and this gives him more creative freedom which also works with Bryan given he likes being a heel more than a face.
More than anything it gives him the top title on the brand after all he's done.
That's just better to me from a writing standpoint. I honestly don't want to see anymore "underdog Bryan climbs his way to the top to win the title" storylines anymore after all Bryan's done. Like the dude was a face underdog in that Miz feud we just saw. It's done to death.
I wanna see angry grizzled veteran jackass champion Bryan wrecking dudes.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 13, 2018 23:08:41 GMT -5
Yeah he turned heel but I don't know how many times we can do the "Bryan is an underdog and face he's climbing his way to the tit-" storyline that we've seen with him getting every singles title he's gained in the company. This is the one that they actually flipped the script and did something different for him. This is going back to what made him mega-over in the first place and this gives him more creative freedom which also works with Bryan given he likes being a heel more than a face. More than anything it gives him the top title on the brand after all he's done. That's just better to me from a writing standpoint. I honestly don't want to see anymore "underdog Bryan climbs his way to the top to win the title" storylines anymore after all Bryan's done. The whole point of a heel turn is to make an even hotter face turn
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Nov 13, 2018 23:08:59 GMT -5
I can't wait for WWE to try their damndest to get Bryan boo'd and failing at it.
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Post by DSR on Nov 13, 2018 23:11:43 GMT -5
Yeah he turned heel but I don't know how many times we can do the "Bryan is an underdog and face he's climbing his way to the tit-" storyline that we've seen with him getting every singles title he's gained in the company. This is the one that they actually flipped the script and did something different for him. This is going back to what made him mega-over in the first place and this gives him more creative freedom which also works with Bryan given he likes being a heel more than a face. More than anything it gives him the top title on the brand after all he's done. That's just better to me from a writing standpoint. I honestly don't want to see anymore "underdog Bryan climbs his way to the top to win the title" storylines anymore after all Bryan's done. Like the dude was a face underdog in that Miz feud we just saw. It's done to death. I wanna see angry grizzled veteran jackass champion Bryan wrecking dudes. When Bryan retired, he already had a Hall of Fame career. Making him be an underdog again seems wack. Let him evolve into the dude that legit gets shit done.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 23:11:50 GMT -5
Yeah he turned heel but I don't know how many times we can do the "Bryan is an underdog and face he's climbing his way to the tit-" storyline that we've seen with him getting every singles title he's gained in the company. This is the one that they actually flipped the script and did something different for him. This is going back to what made him mega-over in the first place and this gives him more creative freedom which also works with Bryan given he likes being a heel more than a face. More than anything it gives him the top title on the brand after all he's done. That's just better to me from a writing standpoint. I honestly don't want to see anymore "underdog Bryan climbs his way to the top to win the title" storylines anymore after all Bryan's done. The whole point of a heel turn is to make an even hotter face turn Yep and that seems to be the majority of face turns from major stars these days. It works. He can do this for a year and be fine. Yeah he turned heel but I don't know how many times we can do the "Bryan is an underdog and face he's climbing his way to the tit-" storyline that we've seen with him getting every singles title he's gained in the company. This is the one that they actually flipped the script and did something different for him. This is going back to what made him mega-over in the first place and this gives him more creative freedom which also works with Bryan given he likes being a heel more than a face. More than anything it gives him the top title on the brand after all he's done. That's just better to me from a writing standpoint. I honestly don't want to see anymore "underdog Bryan climbs his way to the top to win the title" storylines anymore after all Bryan's done. Like the dude was a face underdog in that Miz feud we just saw. It's done to death. I wanna see angry grizzled veteran jackass champion Bryan wrecking dudes. When Bryan retired, he already had a Hall of Fame career. Making him be an underdog again seems wack. Let him evolve into the dude that legit gets shit done. Exactly. Cole of all people straight up said Bryan's performance at WM30 is the best performance out of anyone in 1 night in WWE history. That kind of guy isn't an underdog anymore. He's not.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Nov 13, 2018 23:12:09 GMT -5
Yeah he turned heel but I don't know how many times we can do the "Bryan is an underdog and face he's climbing his way to the tit-" storyline that we've seen with him getting every singles title he's gained in the company. This is the one that they actually flipped the script and did something different for him. This is going back to what made him mega-over in the first place and this gives him more creative freedom which also works with Bryan given he likes being a heel more than a face. More than anything it gives him the top title on the brand after all he's done. That's just better to me from a writing standpoint. I honestly don't want to see anymore "underdog Bryan climbs his way to the top to win the title" storylines anymore after all Bryan's done. Yup. That story has been done. Now let's move on. DB is good enough to pull off almost any story, and his heel work has always been excellent going all the way back to ROH. I'm failing to see a negative here. He had a big ol' babyface return. Time for a new direction now. This is a top guy doing top guy things with the top belt.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 13, 2018 23:15:02 GMT -5
The whole point of a heel turn is to make an even hotter face turn Yep and that seems to be the majority of face turns from major stars these days. It works. He can do this for a year and be fine. Yea, it seems like we are going to start to have to look at the heel turns of people like Gargano, Becky, DB as different compared to Ambrose and Ciampa
Those 2 are essentially in the despicable heel territory and will be for a long while as compared to Gargano, Becky, DB where their heel turns have given their character a new edge and mean streak. Becky looks like the baddest bitch on the planet with the way she's been getting down so it no doubt without question enhanced her
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 23:16:21 GMT -5
Yeah he turned heel but I don't know how many times we can do the "Bryan is an underdog and face he's climbing his way to the tit-" storyline that we've seen with him getting every singles title he's gained in the company. This is the one that they actually flipped the script and did something different for him. This is going back to what made him mega-over in the first place and this gives him more creative freedom which also works with Bryan given he likes being a heel more than a face. More than anything it gives him the top title on the brand after all he's done. That's just better to me from a writing standpoint. I honestly don't want to see anymore "underdog Bryan climbs his way to the top to win the title" storylines anymore after all Bryan's done. Yup. That story has been done. Now let's move on. DB is good enough to pull off almost any story, and his heel work has always been excellent going all the way back to ROH. I'm failing to see a negative here. He had a big ol' babyface return. Time for a new direction now. This is a top guy doing top guy things with the top belt. Yep and this is a great opportunity for other faces to challenge Bryan for the title, faces who have to step up now. That's what this brand surely needs. I don't see any way this is a bad idea at all because at the end of the day Bryan looks good, he can help other guys look good and well, Bryan's world champion again. Daniel Bryan is world champion in 2018. Those words just sound so surreal right now and that's after all he went through. Hell just the other week people thought he was punished for the Crown Jewel stuff. This is great news. Yep and that seems to be the majority of face turns from major stars these days. It works. He can do this for a year and be fine. Yea, it seems like we are going to start to have to look at the heel turns of people like Gargano, Becky, DB as different compared to Ambrose and Ciampa Those 2 are essentially in the despicable heel territory and will be for a long while as compared to Gargano, Becky, DB where their heel turns have given their character a new edge and mean streak. Becky looks like the baddest bitch on the planet with the way she's been getting down so it no doubt without question enhanced her
I think this company's improved in the art of the heel turn. These days they come out of nowhere and are done in such a way that it actually helps stars out. On that token, face turns are always done the same and faces always get into that same old mode. That generic face mode. They need to re-look into faces because heels are just more interesting these days.
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