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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 18, 2018 3:07:15 GMT -5
To be honest the removal of the rematch clause as a story point, if they follow through on it, is gravy to me. I have hated that stip for years and they have too many PPVs to justify it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 3:11:10 GMT -5
Honestly if they stick to killing the rematch clause then I'll at least give them a point on that front. I highly doubt they will since it's such a lazy crutch for them, but it does desperately need to die.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Dec 18, 2018 4:23:22 GMT -5
Vince McMahon should have come out to the ring wearing a hat, and when people claimed it was still the same old Raw, they could be like "But Vince has a new hat!"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 4:58:03 GMT -5
Why the hell am I supposed to be excited the McMahons are together on TV again? They're terrible. Consistently the worst part of the show.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Dec 18, 2018 6:26:36 GMT -5
Do people actually fall for this kayfabe "change"? As long as Vince McMahon is in charge, it's not changing. This is the Raw you will get forever.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Dec 18, 2018 6:55:54 GMT -5
I admit I didn't watch all of Raw last night, but what I did see was like repainting an AMC Pacer and saying, "see, it's not ugly anymore"
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 18, 2018 11:24:52 GMT -5
At this point I don't know what to do with Corbin. The dude is such scorched earth that they really should consider just releasing him. If you push him again, it's like some sort of PTSD with the fans about his awful GM run. He's one guy that I can't begin to figure out a future direction for that would make sense. The dude sucks and probably shouldn't have a job in the first place. He has the look of a backyard wrestler, the promo skills of Brad Armstrong, and the wrestling skills of Van Hammer. He's a pointless member of the roster.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 11:40:12 GMT -5
Started Raw on Hulu, the Mcmahon's all come out.. LOL. Turned it off. Then figured, f*** it, I have nothing else to do before work. Turned it back on, sat through all the cringey pandering to the crowd bullshit, turned it back off. I'll find something else to do.
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Post by hbkid718 on Dec 18, 2018 12:11:43 GMT -5
They're not doing anything new until 2019. Why start new things when the next weeks are taped throwaway shows airing on Holidays? As for the re-match clause, I argue with people all the time about it. People actually think it's a real thing. The wrestlers do not sign contracts for their matches, so how can there be clauses. It is only used to continue the storyline between the new Champion & the old Champion.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 18, 2018 12:35:30 GMT -5
So I just watched it.
No, no it’s not any different.
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Post by realist on Dec 18, 2018 13:11:34 GMT -5
I think that the whole announcement was so poorly received because of the hype and speculation. Some people even thought that Vince was going to step down. However, without the hype, this could be pretty big. I see people are comparing it to Vince's famous "fans are tired of good guy vs bad guy" speech in 1997. I think it was more akin to Vince McMahon tweeting out, "We hear you; be patient," in response to the fan outcry to give divas a chance. At first, nothing happened. Then, more nothing. Then, they brought up Charlotte, Becky, and Sasha from NXT and placed them each in different teams. And it sucked. And it sucked. Eventually, the women's revolution found their sweet spot, and now main event pay per views. In fact, there is talk that the women could main event the upcoming WrestleMania. The point to all that is that they may actually mean it, and it may suck at first as there will definitely be growing pains. But, hopefully, they can stumble upon something good and make it work.
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Post by H-Virus on Dec 18, 2018 13:12:20 GMT -5
I haven’t watched in months and I didn’t watch last night. My plan is to wait for the Rumble, which I was going to watch anyway, and then the following week of shows. That gives them a month and a half to get all their ducks in a row on this Even Newer Era of theirs. If things feel different and interesting by then, I’ll stick around. But if it still feels like the exact same show that got me to tap out back in September, then that’ll most likely be the end of Raw for me.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Dec 18, 2018 13:47:06 GMT -5
I think that the whole announcement was so poorly received because of the hype and speculation. Some people even thought that Vince was going to step down. However, without the hype, this could be pretty big. I see people are comparing it to Vince's famous "fans are tired of good guy vs bad guy" speech in 1997. I think it was more akin to Vince McMahon tweeting out, "We hear you; be patient," in response to the fan outcry to give divas a chance. At first, nothing happened. Then, more nothing. Then, they brought up Charlotte, Becky, and Sasha from NXT and placed them each in different teams. And it sucked. And it sucked. Eventually, the women's revolution found their sweet spot, and now main event pay per views. In fact, there is talk that the women could main event the upcoming WrestleMania. The point to all that is that they may actually mean it, and it may suck at first as there will definitely be growing pains. But, hopefully, they can stumble upon something good and make it work. The thing with your comparison is that they don't have 3 years to eventually figure these things out (the 3 year time period being from the Vince tweet that you referenced to today). They barely have 3 months. If it's going to take that long for a team to figure out what's wrong with the show then the team's gotta change.
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Post by realist on Dec 18, 2018 14:01:58 GMT -5
I think that the whole announcement was so poorly received because of the hype and speculation. Some people even thought that Vince was going to step down. However, without the hype, this could be pretty big. I see people are comparing it to Vince's famous "fans are tired of good guy vs bad guy" speech in 1997. I think it was more akin to Vince McMahon tweeting out, "We hear you; be patient," in response to the fan outcry to give divas a chance. At first, nothing happened. Then, more nothing. Then, they brought up Charlotte, Becky, and Sasha from NXT and placed them each in different teams. And it sucked. And it sucked. Eventually, the women's revolution found their sweet spot, and now main event pay per views. In fact, there is talk that the women could main event the upcoming WrestleMania. The point to all that is that they may actually mean it, and it may suck at first as there will definitely be growing pains. But, hopefully, they can stumble upon something good and make it work. The thing with your comparison is that they don't have 3 years to eventually figure these things out (the 3 year time period being from the Vince tweet that you referenced to today). They barely have 3 months. If it's going to take that long for a team to figure out what's wrong with the show then the team's gotta change. I agree about the timetable not being very long. I just meant that I don't think anyone should expect an immediate change or improvement.
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Post by chronocross on Dec 18, 2018 14:13:03 GMT -5
To be honest the removal of the rematch clause as a story point, if they follow through on it, is gravy to me. I have hated that stip for years and they have too many PPVs to justify it. To be honest that I'm okay with as we can (hopefully) see new contenders to the titles, that was probably the only part of Raw yesterday that was interesting to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 14:39:44 GMT -5
The big problem is they promised Vince would shake things up on this show and then they did absolutely nothing other than now we have 4 authority figures instead of 1.With what they did to Corbin at the ppv he didn’t need to be the feature player in a 35 minute opening segment that with a commercial break in it if they wanted him on the show Vince coulda just fired him quickly if they are listening to the fans and things are changing longer talking segment,more authority figures and tons of Corbin weren’t a way to show any signs of change.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Dec 18, 2018 14:47:00 GMT -5
The key words in Trips' spiel were "in the coming weeks" and "coming months", so I dunno why some folks were expecting everything to magically change within one night. Whether or not they live up to that claim is anyone's guess, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for at least a month. They need RAW to be watchable and good NOW so when the change finally maybe happens officially fans are still here to watch it. So they need the shows to be good now so people will be watching when WWE make changes based on people not watching the shows now?
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Post by karl100589 on Dec 18, 2018 14:52:28 GMT -5
At this point I don't know what to do with Corbin. The dude is such scorched earth that they really should consider just releasing him. If you push him again, it's like some sort of PTSD with the fans about his awful GM run. He's one guy that I can't begin to figure out a future direction for that would make sense. Nothing screams ratings like ending the show with almost the entire last hour being an 8 woman gauntlet match. That's like daring people to stop watching.
Repackage him as Baron Corbyn.
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Post by Nosnorb on Dec 18, 2018 15:09:31 GMT -5
At this point I don't know what to do with Corbin. The dude is such scorched earth that they really should consider just releasing him. If you push him again, it's like some sort of PTSD with the fans about his awful GM run. He's one guy that I can't begin to figure out a future direction for that would make sense. The dude sucks and probably shouldn't have a job in the first place. He has the look of a backyard wrestler, the promo skills of Brad Armstrong, and the wrestling skills of Van Hammer. He's a pointless member of the roster. To be fair to Corbin, his strikes look great. But that is practically the only upside this guy has got or has ever had, an "Indie Killer" gimmick that had zero (and I mean ZERO) chance of working on the main roster and a few pretty good theme songs.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually released by WWE, especially as his non union Boricua equivalent is in NXT and probably will be on the main roster soon.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 18, 2018 15:21:50 GMT -5
At this point I don't know what to do with Corbin. The dude is such scorched earth that they really should consider just releasing him. If you push him again, it's like some sort of PTSD with the fans about his awful GM run. He's one guy that I can't begin to figure out a future direction for that would make sense. Nothing screams ratings like ending the show with almost the entire last hour being an 8 woman gauntlet match. That's like daring people to stop watching. Repackage him as Baron Corbyn. And make him the manager to a debuting Zack Sabre Jr.
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