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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 22:44:41 GMT -5
*Sees if the villain dies.* *Checks spoilers* Hard pass. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Eh, too be fair he's a master of deception despite what happens in the film. They could easily find a work around that entire concept. The scene during the mid-credits opens up endless possibilities if they stick with it. Although if it makes you feel any better Peter doesn't kill him. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}If you know me, one of my main gripes about MCU films in general is how disposable the villains are. Like, how one-and-done they are. That quickly became a deal breaker for me regarding the franchise alongside dopey humor during dramatic moments and, well, Disney.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 5, 2019 22:57:21 GMT -5
From what I've read over the years, Charlie Cox and Vincent D'Onfrio have both said they'd love to appear in the MCU as Daredevil and Kingpin, while Krysten Ritter has said she's done with Jessica Jones. Jon Bernthal's a great Frank Castle if they want to bring him back/he wants back in, but I could go for a recast of Mike Cotter (he looks perfect but is a lousy actor). Iron Fist...I don't care about at all. I thought they were all under contract to appear in future Marvel films too? As I understand it, based on what Chloe Bennett and Charlie Cox have said, all Marvel TV contracts include a clause for each actor to make themselves available to film for the movies should they be needed (the movie contracts reportedly have a similar clause, to avoid situations like Dark Phoenix, where reshoots took place a year after production initially wrapped due to scheduling conflicts). I can only guess at the ins and outs of those contracts, but I'd presume the Netflix actors are no longer bound by them, unlike the Hulu and ABC shows' actors.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 5, 2019 22:57:40 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Eh, too be fair he's a master of deception despite what happens in the film. They could easily find a work around that entire concept. The scene during the mid-credits opens up endless possibilities if they stick with it. Although if it makes you feel any better Peter doesn't kill him. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}If you know me, one of my main gripes about MCU films in general is how disposable the villains are. Like, how one-and-done they are. That quickly became a deal breaker for me regarding the franchise alongside dopey humor during dramatic moments and, well, Disney.
Oh, I understand. One of my main gripes with the MCU is the over reliance on humor during serious and dramatic moments. Of course comedy is expected with Guardians, Spider-Man, and Ant-Man. There are a lot of dark moments in Far From Home though.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 5, 2019 22:58:58 GMT -5
I thought they were all under contract to appear in future Marvel films too? As I understand it, based on what Chloe Bennett and Charlie Cox have said, all Marvel TV contracts include a clause for each actor to make themselves available to film for the movies should they be needed (the movie contracts reportedly have a similar clause, to avoid situations like Dark Phoenix, where reshoots took place a year after production initially wrapped due to scheduling conflicts). I can only guess at the ins and outs of those contracts, but I'd presume the Netflix actors are no longer bound by them, unlike the Hulu and ABC shows' actors. It's a shame that Feige and the head of the television department of Marvel hate each other. We could've had some great character moments if Daredevil, Cage, Iron Fist, Punisher, or Jones showed up at some point during the progression of the films.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 5, 2019 23:00:36 GMT -5
{Spoiler}I will say one of the favorite and most surprising moments was the subtle nod to Tony Stark with Mysterio. When he put on those special technological glasses and how he looked almost exactly like Stark, Hollands acting with that scene was perfect. Almost like seeing his mentor traumatized and filled him with guilt all over again.
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Post by chrom on Jul 5, 2019 23:04:03 GMT -5
As I understand it, based on what Chloe Bennett and Charlie Cox have said, all Marvel TV contracts include a clause for each actor to make themselves available to film for the movies should they be needed (the movie contracts reportedly have a similar clause, to avoid situations like Dark Phoenix, where reshoots took place a year after production initially wrapped due to scheduling conflicts). I can only guess at the ins and outs of those contracts, but I'd presume the Netflix actors are no longer bound by them, unlike the Hulu and ABC shows' actors. It's a shame that Feige and the head of the television department of Marvel hate each other. We could've had some great character moments if Daredevil, Cage, Iron Fist, Punisher, or Jones showed up at some point during the progression of the films. Why do they hate each other?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 5, 2019 23:06:14 GMT -5
It's a shame that Feige and the head of the television department of Marvel hate each other. We could've had some great character moments if Daredevil, Cage, Iron Fist, Punisher, or Jones showed up at some point during the progression of the films. Why do they hate each other? Honestly I don't know. I am sure someone here has a better understanding of their hatred than I do. All I know is neither of them can stand the sight of each other, which is why the Netflix shows didn't essentially crossover into the films. They were in the same universe but wasn't necessarily interacting with one another.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 5, 2019 23:15:03 GMT -5
As I understand it, based on what Chloe Bennett and Charlie Cox have said, all Marvel TV contracts include a clause for each actor to make themselves available to film for the movies should they be needed (the movie contracts reportedly have a similar clause, to avoid situations like Dark Phoenix, where reshoots took place a year after production initially wrapped due to scheduling conflicts). I can only guess at the ins and outs of those contracts, but I'd presume the Netflix actors are no longer bound by them, unlike the Hulu and ABC shows' actors. It's a shame that Feige and the head of the television department of Marvel hate each other. We could've had some great character moments if Daredevil, Cage, Iron Fist, Punisher, or Jones showed up at some point during the progression of the films. It really is, though with Marvel Studios now moving into TV with the Disney+ shows, and both Kevin Feige and Bob Iger making a point of saying there will be "one Marvel", I can see the TV and movie divisions merging before too long. The Russos admitted early on that they wanted to use several of the TV characters for Infinity War and Endgame, but ironically it was as much a scheduling issue as anything else that stopped it from happening (suggesting that the TV-movie clause prioritises above non-Marvel productions). Not sure where they could have fit any extra characters in, but given Edwin Jarvis crossed over into the movies, clearly the rift between the two divisions isn't insurmountable.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jul 5, 2019 23:24:31 GMT -5
Why do they hate each other? Honestly I don't know. I am sure someone here has a better understanding of their hatred than I do. All I know is neither of them can stand the sight of each other, which is why the Netflix shows didn't essentially crossover into the films. They were in the same universe but wasn't necessarily interacting with one another. The guys running the television side of the MCU is Marvel Chairman and noted asshole Ike Perlmutter. His only concern in life is to make money, he has very specific ideas on how to make money, and will force those ideas on his underlings no matter how outdated or offensive they might be. The issue is not so much that Kevin Feige can't stand the sight of him as much as nobody can stand the sight of him. That's probably why there are so few pictures of him available to the public. And that's not even getting into his politics.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 5, 2019 23:31:19 GMT -5
It's a shame that Feige and the head of the television department of Marvel hate each other. We could've had some great character moments if Daredevil, Cage, Iron Fist, Punisher, or Jones showed up at some point during the progression of the films. Why do they hate each other? Ike Perlmutter runs Marvel Entertainment. Prior to the Disney purchase Marvel Studios was answerable to Marvel Entertainment and the the "Marvel Creative Committee", a five-person brain trust of which Perlmutter was a member. Perlmutter is of the belief that female superheroes and non-white superheroes don't draw or sell toys, so constantly shot down Feige's proposals for solo movies for Black Widow, Captain Marvel, and Black Panther (amongst others). He's also a notorious skinflint, and lowballed most of the actors on their contracts (Johansson, Evans and Hemsworth were all signed to less than half a million per movie until RDJ threatened to not sign on for more movies post-Avengers unless they got huge pay rises). Eventually things came to a head during Age of Ultron's production. The Creative Committee cut huge swathes of Joss Whedon's story and relegated Black Widow to a love interest, as well as forcing Inhumans into the production schedule to prop up Perlmutter's Inhumans over mutants push (note that around the same time Agents of SHIELD became heavily focused on Inhumans). Kevin Feige convinced Bob Iger that for the MCU to truly succeed he needed complete control, and Iger made Marvel Studios answerable to Disney directly, cutting Perlmutter out of the loop. Ever since neither Feige or Perlmutter have been willing to give any ground. The TV shows became more separated from the movies, and the movies completely ignored the existence of the TV shows until Jarvis showed up in Endgame.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jul 5, 2019 23:39:04 GMT -5
Honestly I don't know. I am sure someone here has a better understanding of their hatred than I do. All I know is neither of them can stand the sight of each other, which is why the Netflix shows didn't essentially crossover into the films. They were in the same universe but wasn't necessarily interacting with one another. The guys running the television side of the MCU is Marvel Chairman and noted asshole Ike Perlmutter. His only concern in life is to make money, he has very specific ideas on how to make money, and will force those ideas on his underlings no matter how outdated or offensive they might be. The issue is not so much that Kevin Feige can't stand the sight of him as much as nobody can stand the sight of him. That's probably why there are so few pictures of him available to the public. And that's not even getting into his politics. Didn’t Perlmutter also have more guidance over the movies before Feige went over his head to get the movie division split off? If I remember right he kept wanting to be a cheapass and Feige kept getting frustrated and finally overrode him.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 5, 2019 23:55:52 GMT -5
The guys running the television side of the MCU is Marvel Chairman and noted asshole Ike Perlmutter. His only concern in life is to make money, he has very specific ideas on how to make money, and will force those ideas on his underlings no matter how outdated or offensive they might be. The issue is not so much that Kevin Feige can't stand the sight of him as much as nobody can stand the sight of him. That's probably why there are so few pictures of him available to the public. And that's not even getting into his politics. Didn’t Perlmutter also have more guidance over the movies before Feige went over his head to get the movie division split off? If I remember right he kept wanting to be a cheapass and Feige kept getting frustrated and finally overrode him. Indeed. Funnily enough, the first movie to be completely untouched by Perlmutter was Civil War.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 6, 2019 1:10:33 GMT -5
Why do they hate each other? Ike Perlmutter runs Marvel Entertainment. Prior to the Disney purchase Marvel Studios was answerable to Marvel Entertainment and the the "Marvel Creative Committee", a five-person brain trust of which Perlmutter was a member. Perlmutter is of the belief that female superheroes and non-white superheroes don't draw or sell toys, so constantly shot down Feige's proposals for solo movies for Black Widow, Captain Marvel, and Black Panther (amongst others). He's also a notorious skinflint, and lowballed most of the actors on their contracts (Johansson, Evans and Hemsworth were all signed to less than half a million per movie until RDJ threatened to not sign on for more movies post-Avengers unless they got huge pay rises). Eventually things came to a head during Age of Ultron's production. The Creative Committee cut huge swathes of Joss Whedon's story and relegated Black Widow to a love interest, as well as forcing Inhumans into the production schedule to prop up Perlmutter's Inhumans over mutants push (note that around the same time Agents of SHIELD became heavily focused on Inhumans). Kevin Feige convinced Bob Iger that for the MCU to truly succeed he needed complete control, and Iger made Marvel Studios answerable to Disney directly, cutting Perlmutter out of the loop. Ever since neither Feige or Perlmutter have been willing to give any ground. The TV shows became more separated from the movies, and the movies completely ignored the existence of the TV shows until Jarvis showed up in Endgame. Worth noting that Jarvis is from Agent Carter, the one Marvel TV production that’s had the most Marvel Studios input out of the TV shows.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 6, 2019 1:20:48 GMT -5
Obligatory "f*** Ike Perlmutter" post.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Jul 6, 2019 1:53:35 GMT -5
The final straw for Feige with Perlmutter was when the Russos wanted to use Tony Stark in Civil War and RDJ thought it would be better if he got an extended role rather than the cameo he was originally meant to have due to the drama of the script.
Perlmutter’s obvious response was to try and fire RDJ because that would mean he would need to pay RDJ more money than he wanted to. Feige, aware of how much of a backlash there would be for letting the most popular MCU actor go for such a stupid reason, went to Iger and asked for complete creative control.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 6, 2019 1:54:02 GMT -5
Worth noting that Jarvis is from Agent Carter, the one Marvel TV production that’s had the most Marvel Studios input out of the TV shows. True, but it was still ultimately a Marvel Entertainment property, subject to the same internal politics that has blighted the TV/movie divide. In any case, Kevin Feige hasn't achieved the success he has by ignoring fan demand. He's acknowledged the popularity of the TV shows and the jobs well done by the actors, so if a spot can be found for any of them in the movies it's a safe bet he'll make minimal changes. If Kingpin shows up in Spidey 3 or beyond, he may not be the exact same Kingpin that crushed a Russian mobster's head in a car door, but he'll probably be Vincent D'Onofrio.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 6, 2019 2:05:20 GMT -5
The final straw for Feige with Perlmutter was when the Russos wanted to use Tony Stark in Civil War and RDJ thought it would be better if he got an extended role rather than the cameo he was originally meant to have due to the drama of the script. Perlmutter’s obvious response was to try and fire RDJ because that would mean he would need to pay RDJ more money than he wanted to. Feige, aware of how much of a backlash there would be for letting the most popular MCU actor go for such a stupid reason, went to Iger and asked for complete creative control. Always heard Age of Ultron was the final straw, but that does sound like a typical Perlmutter move. I'll give the guy credit, he did hell of a job to stop the bleeding when Marvel was on its death bed in the '90s, but he's totally out of his depth when it comes to expanding a multi-faceted entertainment company.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 6, 2019 5:40:02 GMT -5
God damn this movie was good. Holland’s still an extremely likable Peter and Spider-Man, Nick Fury and Happy were funny as usual, MJ was sassy and adorable, and Gyllenhall’s Mysterio was amazing.
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Post by chrom on Jul 6, 2019 8:43:02 GMT -5
Odds are looking good it cracks a billion
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 6, 2019 9:51:56 GMT -5
{Spoiler} So, with them having established that Fury utilises Skrulls to act in his place, what are the odds we see them play around with some major retcons with “Was it or wasn’t it Fury?” during different points in The Infinity Saga?
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