Mick Foley took off his shirt

[mcstoklasa]

It’s crazy. Mick Foley walked out as Mankind, removes the mask, took off his white shirt to reveal his Cactus shirt underneath and the crowd totally bought it as a legit metamorphosis into a more dangerous guy.

It was literally just the same broken down guy in a different shirt. Isn’t that incredibly impressive how Foley was able to make that work? Credit to Triple H for selling it with his facial expression.

On another note, damn that was 19 years ago. How long until the attitude era discussion gets removed from the main forum?

[abjordans]

Triple H did a lot to make that happen. Plus, his years of work as Cactus Jack spoke for itself. Plus, Mick created two, distinctly different characters. Mankind was never “Cactus Jack in a mask”, he was fully fleshed out and had his own several year journey. It was a perfect storm.

[mcstoklasa]

Jan 27, 2019 13:46:45 GMT -5 abjordans said:

Triple H did a lot to make that happen. Plus, his years of work as Cactus Jack spoke for itself. Plus, Mick created two, distinctly different characters. Mankind was never “Cactus Jack in a mask”, he was fully fleshed out and had his own several year journey. It was a perfect storm.

3 characters! Although Dude was a fairly comedic departure from the other two but even dude had a kind of backstory which was explained in the JR interview with Mankind.

Mankind was kind of the current deraned psyche of Foley, damaged from years of abuse to his body and all that. Plus the whole piano player, basement dwelling weirdo thing. Then he became a goofy comedy guy who was really loveable.

Dude was the guy Mick always wanted to be. The tapes of Mick portraying him in his backyard were the backstory. We even got corporate Dude.

Cactus Jack had a multi year journey from the past wrestling in fire, and thumbtacks and dangerous matches. He was the scariest and probably kayfabe toughest version of Foley, though Mankind won the championship.

Mick Foley was so incredible to slip between the characters the way he did.

[TWERKIN' MAGGLE]

Super funny this just came up.

Bryan Alvarez went on a massive rant about this like last week. Craig and Vinny are in the camp that it's a character transformation, while Bryan was going out of his mind about how Cactus, Mankind and Dude are just Mick Foley. Which led to how Finn and The Demon are just Finn.

It's funny. Different strokes.

[mcstoklasa]

Jan 27, 2019 13:53:45 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

Super funny this just came up.

Bryan Alvarez went on a massive rant about this like last week. Craig and Vinny are in the camp that it's a character transformation, while Bryan was going out of his mind about how Cactus, Mankind and Dude are just Mick Foley. Which led to how Finn and The Demon are just Finn.

It's funny. Different strokes.

Well, he’s wrong. (IMO)

[TWERKIN' MAGGLE]

Jan 27, 2019 13:54:50 GMT -5 mcstoklasa said:

Jan 27, 2019 13:53:45 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

Super funny this just came up.

Bryan Alvarez went on a massive rant about this like last week. Craig and Vinny are in the camp that it's a character transformation, while Bryan was going out of his mind about how Cactus, Mankind and Dude are just Mick Foley. Which led to how Finn and The Demon are just Finn.

It's funny. Different strokes.

Well, he’s wrong. (IMO)

I'm with you, I like a little comic book camp in my wrestling.

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Jan 27, 2019 13:53:45 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

Super funny this just came up.

Bryan Alvarez went on a massive rant about this like last week. Craig and Vinny are in the camp that it's a character transformation, while Bryan was going out of his mind about how Cactus, Mankind and Dude are just Mick Foley. Which led to how Finn and The Demon are just Finn.

It's funny. Different strokes.

It's all in execution for sure. With Mick Foley, there was an established difference between Mankind and Cactus Jack, Mankind was glutton for punishment and was hard to put down for a victory. Cactus Jack had a bloody track record, and was a persona that win, lose, or draw, was gonna leave you bloody and scarred.

It's easier to scrutinize Finn/Demon because the Finn character is way too normal. When he comes out in the Demon getup, he just looks like normal Finn in body paint, there's nothing about his performance in that role that feels really any different to a normal Finn Balor match, which is fine, it looks cool anyways, but it just doesn't really strike a chord when he threatens to paint himself before a match like it's anything anyone should worry about.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Jan 27, 2019 14:37:34 GMT -5 @nichotine said:

Jan 27, 2019 13:53:45 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

Super funny this just came up.

Bryan Alvarez went on a massive rant about this like last week. Craig and Vinny are in the camp that it's a character transformation, while Bryan was going out of his mind about how Cactus, Mankind and Dude are just Mick Foley. Which led to how Finn and The Demon are just Finn.

It's funny. Different strokes.

It's all in execution for sure. With Mick Foley, there was an established difference between Mankind and Cactus Jack, Mankind was glutton for punishment and was hard to put down for a victory. Cactus Jack had a bloody track record, and was a persona that win, lose, or draw, was gonna leave you bloody and scarred.

It's easier to scrutinize Finn/Demon because the Finn character is way too normal. When he comes out in the Demon getup, he just looks like normal Finn in body paint, there's nothing about his performance in that role that feels really any different to a normal Finn Balor match, which is fine, it looks cool anyways, but it just doesn't really strike a chord when he threatens to paint himself before a match like it's anything anyone should worry about.

While you’re preparing for the match, I’ll be in makeup for 6 hours!!!

["Cane Dewey" Johnson]

Jan 27, 2019 13:53:45 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

Bryan Alvarez went on a massive rant about

This doesn't surprise me.

I think Foley's 1999 transformation into Cactus Jack worked because of the history Foley had with Triple H. Remember that in 1997, Foley, as Mankind and Dude Love, was feuding with Triple H. And then Foley busted Cactus Jack on that one episode of Raw at MSG. So in 1999, Triple H was able to sell Cactus Jack's reappearance because he had a history of getting his ass kicked by that persona.

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The takeaway I'm getting from this thread is Finn needs to remove his paint to reveal a Cactus Jack shirt.

[The Tim Duncan Experience]

Jan 27, 2019 14:37:34 GMT -5 @nichotine said:

Jan 27, 2019 13:53:45 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

Super funny this just came up.

Bryan Alvarez went on a massive rant about this like last week. Craig and Vinny are in the camp that it's a character transformation, while Bryan was going out of his mind about how Cactus, Mankind and Dude are just Mick Foley. Which led to how Finn and The Demon are just Finn.

It's funny. Different strokes.

It's all in execution for sure. With Mick Foley, there was an established difference between Mankind and Cactus Jack, Mankind was glutton for punishment and was hard to put down for a victory. Cactus Jack had a bloody track record, and was a persona that win, lose, or draw, was gonna leave you bloody and scarred.

It's easier to scrutinize Finn/Demon because the Finn character is way too normal. When he comes out in the Demon getup, he just looks like normal Finn in body paint, there's nothing about his performance in that role that feels really any different to a normal Finn Balor match, which is fine, it looks cool anyways, but it just doesn't really strike a chord when he threatens to paint himself before a match like it's anything anyone should worry about.

Yea that's how I feel about finn/demon. It would be pretty cool if finn had a different style of wrestling from the demon. More often it's just a Ken/Ryu palette swap in SF2 CE.

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Jan 27, 2019 15:08:51 GMT -5 The Tim Duncan Experience said:

Jan 27, 2019 14:37:34 GMT -5 @nichotine said:

It's all in execution for sure. With Mick Foley, there was an established difference between Mankind and Cactus Jack, Mankind was glutton for punishment and was hard to put down for a victory. Cactus Jack had a bloody track record, and was a persona that win, lose, or draw, was gonna leave you bloody and scarred.

It's easier to scrutinize Finn/Demon because the Finn character is way too normal. When he comes out in the Demon getup, he just looks like normal Finn in body paint, there's nothing about his performance in that role that feels really any different to a normal Finn Balor match, which is fine, it looks cool anyways, but it just doesn't really strike a chord when he threatens to paint himself before a match like it's anything anyone should worry about.

Yea that's how I feel about finn/demon. It would be pretty cool if finn had a different style of wrestling from the demon. More often it's just a Ken/Ryu palette swap in SF2 CE.

Yeah either find a way to make it different, or just don't call extra attention to it and just let it be something he happens to do on special occasions. Him painting up is fine, it's just him using it as a threat is really a waste of energy and doesn't add anything to any feud he's in.

[The Tim Duncan Experience]

Jan 27, 2019 14:52:48 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

The takeaway I'm getting from this thread is Finn needs to remove his paint to reveal a Cactus Jack shirt.

So would he be Cactus Finn or Demon Jack?

[Dub H]

Honestly tells you alot about the perfomer that he can just take off a mask/shirt and you believe he is a completely different person.

[aka Cthulhu]

Might be wrong, but perhaps it's a case of "all sizzle, no steak" regarding Balor compared to Foley. Like, with Mankind transitioning to Cactus Jack, perhaps you've seen, or at least heard of his history and what could happen. With Balor it just feels like "hey, sometimes in a big match he'd cosplay"... like, you get a cool entrance, but due to this and that all you'd expect is a fancier entrance, but when the bell rings you don't really get the feeling that things have gone so far.

[ISO Mid Thigh Pull]

I thought this thread was gonna be about Mick Foley looking like a thicc cutie on the beach but no

[J. Hova]

I mean they had done a great job of splitting the characters, ala Cactus Jack's debut in MSG with the three faces of Foley. That might be my favorite RAW moment when JR called, "Desperate times call for desperate measures...." Then again, I've always been a Cactus Jack mark.

[Macho Pichu]

Jan 27, 2019 13:53:45 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

Super funny this just came up.

Bryan Alvarez went on a massive rant about this like last week. Craig and Vinny are in the camp that it's a character transformation, while Bryan was going out of his mind about how Cactus, Mankind and Dude are just Mick Foley. Which led to how Finn and The Demon are just Finn.

It's funny. Different strokes.

Foley and Finn are but a small sample of wrestlers who are simultaneously the same guy, but a different character. Stardust's backstory acknowledges that he was Cody. Sami Zayn's involves him wrestling all over the world with Kevin Owens, which makes the Steen/Generico matches canon to their stories, even if Zayn and Generico are treated as separate people altogether.  Then there are folks like Charles Wright, where most of his characters are treated as the same guy, but Papa Shango isn't.

[mcstoklasa]

Something which I think is pretty neat is that Foley feuded with 3 of the top stars of the era- Rock, Austin and HHH and was a different character for each.

Mankind feuded with Rock,
Cactus with Trips
And strangest of all, Dude feuded with Austin.

And it ruled.

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Jan 27, 2019 16:32:31 GMT -5 ISO Mid Thigh Pull said:

I thought this thread was gonna be about Mick Foley looking like a thicc cutie on the beach but no

I don't think a single sentence has ever upset me more and I'm not even sure why