J. Hova
Don Corleone
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Post by J. Hova on Feb 20, 2019 23:47:52 GMT -5
For 50 years, women's wrestling was the drizzling shits in the US and propagated by Moolah and the WWE. We've recently gotten better but it will take years to undo 5 decades of disservice.
Personally, I think it was serve the women and the WWE better if they wouldn't throw so many women so relatively quickly at their audience. A lot of it just feels forced. I mean for every Becky, Charlotte, Asuka, etc. there is a Lacey Evans whom I would argue should barely be on NXT TV let alone WWE TV. That said, it's been about the best thing they have done on the main roster the last 5 years.
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MAGGLE
Dennis Stamp
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Post by MAGGLE on Feb 21, 2019 2:34:49 GMT -5
I know a lot of lapsed fans who feel this way. What do you think it is that gives them that view? That is what I'm trying to figure out. I honestly love the division but how is this a mystery? There wrestling style is very, very different from the guys. Its so different that it actually looks like slow motion compared to the men most of the times. I watch way more womens matches then men at the moment but I am not doing that since they are better lol, they really arent. I am watching because they are developing very fast. I see them getting real good in the next 5-10 years. Mens wrestling doesnt evolve at all anymore, meanwhile the womens division does every year. But how can you blame people that don´t want to go through this process? They just want to see the product that they have watched for years, not people that are passionate but not good enough yet. All of my friends could not be more bored by the womens stuff, but they still like Rousey since she does it so well. Its not really a sexist thing, its a quality thing.
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Futureraven: Beelzebruv
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Ultimate Arbiter of Right And Wrong
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 21, 2019 2:51:43 GMT -5
I’m fine with the women getting more time and matches and segments. But when you give us the same Boss/Hug vs. Roit Sqaud match for weeks, people are going to lose interest. Yeah, but that's the same with any match, like Seth v Dolph, Sheamus v Del Rio etc. That's more of a general "WWE has no idea how to manage it's roster" point.
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Mecca
Wade Wilson
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Post by Mecca on Feb 21, 2019 6:37:55 GMT -5
I'm going to bump this thread because I was awoken this morning to these text messages on my phone... Really? womens tag team belts? Are they trying to switch to an all womens wrestling show? This is exactly why AEW could work. WWE ratings are lower than ever. ----- So I explain of the 25 things you could blame for ratings being down he's picking something that is actually one of the better things they have going and the womens product isn't hurting the show and I'm met with... --- It's not helping, I don't watch wrestling for women, give them their own show. This is a part of the reason ratings are down. --- So I said...you know this view is really sexist right? --- Response is....Doesn't matter I'm right. That is what I got to wake up to today, fun shit. I take it he didn't watch the womens' Elimination Chamber, which was a great showing from everyone involved and even made big deals out of the weakest workers in the match. Also how do you get mad at WWE for womens' wrestling then turn around and think "this is why AEW is going to win" when AEW has put women front and center on their press conferences? They're bringing in Aja f***ing Kong for a match at Double or Nothing, you don't book Aja Kong because you think "Eh there should be a quick little lady match in the middle there, give the crowd some time to get another beer" He knows nothing about AEW, that's the problem. He basically thinks that they are going to be some attitude era product and when I tell him that is not what it's going to be he gets annoyed and tells me I don't know what I'm talking about. And no I was told in regards to the chamber he had it on for 10 minutes and when he realized half the show was going to be womens matches he turned it on.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 21, 2019 16:38:13 GMT -5
I take it he didn't watch the womens' Elimination Chamber, which was a great showing from everyone involved and even made big deals out of the weakest workers in the match. Also how do you get mad at WWE for womens' wrestling then turn around and think "this is why AEW is going to win" when AEW has put women front and center on their press conferences? They're bringing in Aja f***ing Kong for a match at Double or Nothing, you don't book Aja Kong because you think "Eh there should be a quick little lady match in the middle there, give the crowd some time to get another beer" He knows nothing about AEW, that's the problem. He basically thinks that they are going to be some attitude era product and when I tell him that is not what it's going to be he gets annoyed and tells me I don't know what I'm talking about. And no I was told in regards to the chamber he had it on for 10 minutes and when he realized half the show was going to be womens matches he turned it on. ...what does this guy bring to your friendship outside of shit-talking female wrestlers?
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Post by Cyno on Feb 21, 2019 18:39:41 GMT -5
For 50 years, women's wrestling was the drizzling shits in the US and propagated by Moolah and the WWE. We've recently gotten better but it will take years to undo 5 decades of disservice. Personally, I think it was serve the women and the WWE better if they wouldn't throw so many women so relatively quickly at their audience. A lot of it just feels forced. I mean for every Becky, Charlotte, Asuka, etc. there is a Lacey Evans whom I would argue should barely be on NXT TV let alone WWE TV. That said, it's been about the best thing they have done on the main roster the last 5 years. Yeah, you had feds like SHIMMER that were putting on solid women's matches. But they were indy feds with no real place in mainstream wrestling. Women's wrestling in other places was a joke because it was treated like a joke and it took a lot of work behind the scenes to get it to a more respectable place in the major feds like WWE and TNA. And even then it's still got a ways to go.
Though I always found the logic behind the complaint about women's wrestling not being sexualized enough in this day and age to be lacking in any sort of basis in fact. There's a reason why women's matches were called "piss breaks" before they started being booked as serious matches between properly trained athletes. Because in spite of all the sex appeal, they were lousy matches. So you can't say sex sells in that regard when, clearly, it stopped selling a long time ago in terms of people wanting to watch the show.
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Mecca
Wade Wilson
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Post by Mecca on Feb 22, 2019 8:39:07 GMT -5
He knows nothing about AEW, that's the problem. He basically thinks that they are going to be some attitude era product and when I tell him that is not what it's going to be he gets annoyed and tells me I don't know what I'm talking about. And no I was told in regards to the chamber he had it on for 10 minutes and when he realized half the show was going to be womens matches he turned it on. ...what does this guy bring to your friendship outside of shit-talking female wrestlers? To be real not a lot...I think we're friends cause we've been friends for 20 years. He was a cool person for awhile...got married...got divorced and pretty much since then he's become this really difficult to deal with person that just shits on anything and everything. Even thinks he use to like he now hates, wrestling, gaming you name it, it sucks now. I think it's this weird mix of, he's very much a guy who's greatest time of life came in high school. His life kinda didn't work out like he expected getting divorced...for a long time when we were in our 20's he had a relationship and none of the rest of us did...now everyone else has one and he doesn't.. I think he shits on everything because he isn't happy with his life and also anything that isn't what it was in 1996-2001 is shit because that is the time he was the man.
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Post by Prince Petty on Feb 22, 2019 10:08:28 GMT -5
Personally, I think it was serve the women and the WWE better if they wouldn't throw so many women so relatively quickly at their audience. A lot of it just feels forced. I mean for every Becky, Charlotte, Asuka, etc. there is a Lacey Evans whom I would argue should barely be on NXT TV let alone WWE TV. That said, it's been about the best thing they have done on the main roster the last 5 years. I think Lacey and Nikki Cross are the only new additions who feel out of place. Lacey because she's not ready and Nikki because... she's not really there. The rest of the women have roles that make sense, but they do need more time to show what they can do, and get over with crowds. Elimination Chamber was the first time I really saw a lot of worth in Mandy and Sonya, and I felt that match did quite a lot of good for them as characters and as wrestlers. It's just going to take time, as the WWE tries to build its division around the Four Horsewomen. Hopefully, the tag division will be lively, because seeing tag partners interact is far more effective at establishing personality than a stiff, memorised promo, read out by a woman standing in the ring on her own.
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