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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 17, 2019 13:01:39 GMT -5
The whole "too much competition" thing is silly because the film still made a solid 213 million domestic. Solo's problem (and I would argue SW going forward) is that the international numbers just died. Solo made basically the same domestic money as Venom, but Venom was gangbusters overseas and finished with 855 million. Solo didn't even crack 400 million worldwide. Ant-Man and the Wasp made a similar amount domestic but did great worldwide. The latest Mission Impossible was in that ballpark too but finished with 791 million thanks to great overseas numbers. A Star is Born didn't do as great worldwide but still made slightly over 50% internationally (and the budget was only 36 million). Being in theatres when Infinity War and Deadpool 2 certainly didn't help, but you're right. It had an audience, and made decent money on home release. What killed it was 70% of the movie being reshot, to the tune of an additional $150 million. Had that not happened and the box office numbers not changed, they'd have turned a healthy, if unspectacular, profit. There was a Twitter thread recently that suggested the movie should been played like Big Trouble in Little China, with Han in the Jack Burton role and Lando in the Wang role. Han's the guy who talks a big game, but is really kinda clueless and bullshits his way through (with the idea that between Solo and A New Hope he largely outgrows the cluelessness), while Lando is the competent straight man. There's definitely elements of this in the final film, which backs up rumours that Lord and Miller's version was indeed something like that idea.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 17, 2019 13:19:38 GMT -5
I dunno how much profit it would have made if it had just been 150 million though. We're still talking less than 400 million worldwide, so it would be tough to imagine much profit there. Alita is projected to need to make about 500 million worldwide to break even and its budget is about 175 million.
I guess my point with the Solo overseas thing is that release dates vary so you can make your money over time and things like direct competition from Deadpool or Infinity War aren't quite as much of a deal.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Feb 17, 2019 13:34:13 GMT -5
i thoroughly enjoyed it loved aldens portrayal of han, very louche and green, then he learns the hard way ..... interesting meeting with chewie in all that mud how the falcon got it's groove on ..... sadface i could watch that twenty seconds of han and lando when the kessel run finally ended forever and really enjoyed the intrigue between the characters, sure bettany's vos was a bit cardboard and didn't have that much to do, and got a right kick when maul showed up, like when yoda ghosted up in TLJ AND i got it for christmas on bluray
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 17, 2019 14:30:50 GMT -5
It was....fine. It's everything you'd expect in a space adventure with a young Han. I thought it could have had more emotional "oomph" the way Force Awakens and Last Jedi did, but there wasn't anything that really bugged me. That robot sidekick of Lando's I remember getting a ton of hate, but even she was okay, way more useful than Jar Jar at least.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Feb 17, 2019 14:57:19 GMT -5
It wasn't too bad of a movie, it's only major problems were spelling too much out about a character that works through mystery, & it was in the midst of the divide among some fans.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 17, 2019 15:55:32 GMT -5
They killed off the interesting characters in the first 20 minutes and gave the origin for Hans last f***ing name.
It had good parts, but a lot of it was sucky bullshit. One thumb and one middle finger up.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 17, 2019 16:03:28 GMT -5
I thought it was really fun, but when the hell are people going to realize that you stack the deck against your own movies by making them prequels? Why are you even bothering to put Han and Chewie and Lando in danger? Why are you wasting all this time on other characters who are OBVIOUSLY GOING TO DIE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE LATER MOVIES?
Just make the same movie, call the main guy "Jake Action" or whatever, and bingo: about a million times more suspense to everything.
And the Darth Maul thing was about as confusing to me as it possibly could have been. It actually just made me really bewildered about when everything was happening. We saw Darth Maul get killed, and Vader was a kid, so... wait, holy shit, how old is Han Solo?!
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Post by Welfare Willis on Feb 17, 2019 17:34:38 GMT -5
Emilia Clarke in anything is the kiss of death to me. In movies, yeah she seems to be the kiss of death. I can only remember her in Solo and Terminator: Genysis though.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Feb 18, 2019 0:14:58 GMT -5
I thought it was really fun, but when the hell are people going to realize that you stack the deck against your own movies by making them prequels? Why are you even bothering to put Han and Chewie and Lando in danger? Why are you wasting all this time on other characters who are OBVIOUSLY GOING TO DIE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE LATER MOVIES? Just make the same movie, call the main guy "Jake Action" or whatever, and bingo: about a million times more suspense to everything. And the Darth Maul thing was about as confusing to me as it possibly could have been. It actually just made me really bewildered about when everything was happening. We saw Darth Maul get killed, and Vader was a kid, so... wait, holy shit, how old is Han Solo?! Yeah, my interest in prequels is always less for that reason. We know who is gonna live so there's no tension and we know the guy with lots of screen time who doesn't show I up in the original films is gonna die. I didn'tlike Maul being in it. The hint was he survived Naboo. Which I hate because it diminishes Obi Wan that his crowning achievement is negated. Plus he got chopped in half and fell down a 10 mile deep shaft. He's dead.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 18, 2019 0:58:17 GMT -5
I thought it was really fun, but when the hell are people going to realize that you stack the deck against your own movies by making them prequels? Why are you even bothering to put Han and Chewie and Lando in danger? Why are you wasting all this time on other characters who are OBVIOUSLY GOING TO DIE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE LATER MOVIES? Just make the same movie, call the main guy "Jake Action" or whatever, and bingo: about a million times more suspense to everything. And the Darth Maul thing was about as confusing to me as it possibly could have been. It actually just made me really bewildered about when everything was happening. We saw Darth Maul get killed, and Vader was a kid, so... wait, holy shit, how old is Han Solo?! Yeah, my interest in prequels is always less for that reason. We know who is gonna live so there's no tension and we know the guy with lots of screen time who doesn't show I up in the original films is gonna die. I didn'tlike Maul being in it. The hint was he survived Naboo. Which I hate because it diminishes Obi Wan that his crowning achievement is negated. Plus he got chopped in half and fell down a 10 mile deep shaft. He's dead. to be fair to the film Solo was not where he was stated to be alive first.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Feb 18, 2019 1:10:27 GMT -5
I saw it the other night and my expectations were super low, only watching it because I couldn't sleep and had nothing else to watch. I was surprised how much I liked it. I thought it was really good despite me constantly forgetting the main character was supposed to Han Solo. I loved the origin of Lando mispronouncing his name.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 18, 2019 1:33:06 GMT -5
Yeah, my interest in prequels is always less for that reason. We know who is gonna live so there's no tension and we know the guy with lots of screen time who doesn't show I up in the original films is gonna die. I didn'tlike Maul being in it. The hint was he survived Naboo. Which I hate because it diminishes Obi Wan that his crowning achievement is negated. Plus he got chopped in half and fell down a 10 mile deep shaft. He's dead. to be fair to the film Solo was not where he was stated to be alive first. And this is why Marvel - rightly - don't acknowledge what goes on in its TV shows. Maul's been back from the dead for almost a decade (longer if you count the comic books), but people get confused and aggravated because things happen in mediums that have a much smaller audience than the movies.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 18, 2019 10:21:05 GMT -5
Emilia Clarke in anything is the kiss of death to me. In movies, yeah she seems to be the kiss of death. I can only remember her in Solo and Terminator: Genysis though. She was in some awful Rom-Com that went nowhere as well. I just don't think she's any good, but they keep trying with her.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 18, 2019 11:47:56 GMT -5
I liked it. It felt very much like an EU Star Wars story, which I dug. The only hurdle for me was Han. It's really hard to step into those shoes. So much of Han Solo was the actor and not the written page, so the new guy just suffered from not being Harrison Ford.
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 18, 2019 12:09:59 GMT -5
Based on this, I do think Ehrenreich made the effort in terms of his movements and facials at being Han, even if he looks and sounds nothing like a young Harrison Ford.
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Post by BRV on Feb 18, 2019 16:30:06 GMT -5
It was a perfectly serviceable movie. I didn't think I'd like it because I didn't think I'd be able to move past a couple of jabronies dressed up in Han and Lando cosplay, but eventually you kind of get sucked into the movie and forget about the fact that neither of them are Harrison Ford or Billy Dee Williams.
There's a few flaws that are hard to ignore and the wink-and-nod references to the original trilogy (and prequels) can be a little much, but overall it's not a bad little movie, not nearly as bad as I feared it would be or for the backlash it received.
In terms of my personal "Star Wars" theatrical power rankings, it falls as follows:
The Empire Strikes Back Rogue One Return of the Jedi The Force Awakens A New Hope Solo The Last Jedi Revenge of the Sith The Phantom Menace Attack of the Clones
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Feb 18, 2019 16:47:26 GMT -5
It was “average” encompassed in a Star Wars spin-off film.
That’s it. And I think a lot of it does come down to the Too Many Cooks theory. I feel a project like this, under the right hands could of still been something special but this went out of control.
Alden did fine. I was underwhelmed by Gambino despite being a huge fan. No one else really stood out in the film. It kinda reminds me of FOXs Peter Pan. Where ya know it’s supposed to be the character. But isn’t. And feels different.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 18, 2019 16:54:55 GMT -5
I think it was an average movie in a bubble, but did it need to come out less than 6 months after the last Star Wars movie alongside a bunch of guaranteed blockbusters taking up everyone's spare cash?
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