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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 7:20:11 GMT -5
He doesn't fit what the thread's asking. Was asking about people who got hyped up before their debut while Owens just showed up one day like you should've already known who he is. Granted he did have a great debut.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Feb 19, 2019 7:52:00 GMT -5
Allllllllberrrrrttttoooooo.....
....DEEEEELLLLLLLLL RRRRRRRIIIIIIOOOOOO!!!!!!!
...big deal, fairly quickly.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 19, 2019 8:03:25 GMT -5
I think the only way Lars Sullivan could have delivered for FAN was if he decided to not show up, and he has succeeded...
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Feb 19, 2019 10:50:16 GMT -5
They ended a RAW with a Wyatt Family vignette back when the last segment was the true main event. And it worked! Then they only used vignettes for people like Bo Dallas, Emmalina, Adam Rose, and The Colons. I'm not sure why they refuse vignettes for promising talent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 11:33:04 GMT -5
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Post by Instant Classic on Feb 19, 2019 11:44:40 GMT -5
Wyatt for sure.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Feb 19, 2019 11:50:07 GMT -5
Xavier Woods
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Post by Some Guy on Feb 19, 2019 12:03:06 GMT -5
Man, everything about that was fire. The editing, the promo, the introduction, the pop from the crowd was raw and organic. Dude was over as f*** straight out the gate. That just shows how much they dropped the ball with him. This Bray Wyatt, the sky was the limit. The problem is once the ball was handed from the production team to Bray Wyatt himself, he wasn’t very good. Bray Wyatt just ain’t that good. There, I said it. The problem is that Bray talked about upending the order and just became another heel that only attacks faces ever with the Wyatt Family. That's where they lost him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 12:18:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure why they refuse vignettes for promising talent. Well, I think perhaps the WWE just expects the audience to know who the NXT guys are already because of NXT. The NXT runs are their "vignettes." But just to the diehard fans. That's a fatal strategy to casual fans who don't watch NXT, because these new folks show up without anything to prepare the general crowds. I just watched the debuts from last night - Ricochet got a bit of a pop, but without the music & fanfare I think Ciampa, Gargano and Black entered to near dead silence from the crowd. We're so used to night after WrestleMania debuts now (which get pops because those crowds are the diehards) that I was startled these main roster debuts didn't get huge ovations but rather went over like farts in church.
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Post by Shark on Feb 19, 2019 17:00:01 GMT -5
I'd throw Finn Balor into the hat. Debuts on the post brand split Raw. Crowd was into him. He wins a 4 way against established names then beats Roman the following week clean.
It's interesting really. There's benefits and drawbacks to both methods of debuting people. If you debut them out of the blue, you could get some instant hot players ala The Shield or AJ Styles. But you do it in front of the wrong crowd like last night and it doesn't work.
You run weeks of vignettes, either you run them too long and the audience stops caring like Emmalina or Lars, or the vignettes themselves suck ala Bo Dallas and Adam Rose. Even if you do get the timing right, the debut itself can really end up sucking like with the original Sin Cara.
Just thought about this as I was typing it, but AJ Styles had a great debut. Comes in 3 at the Rumble, crowd goes nuts, he hangs in for a good long while. Had some good interactions and matches right away.
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Post by Celexa Bliss 54 on Feb 19, 2019 17:46:50 GMT -5
I'd throw Finn Balor into the hat. Debuts on the post brand split Raw. Crowd was into him. He wins a 4 way against established names then beats Roman the following week clean. It's interesting really. There's benefits and drawbacks to both methods of debuting people. If you debut them out of the blue, you could get some instant hot players ala The Shield or AJ Styles. But you do it in front of the wrong crowd like last night and it doesn't work. You run weeks of vignettes, either you run them too long and the audience stops caring like Emmalina or Lars, or the vignettes themselves suck ala Bo Dallas and Adam Rose. Even if you do get the timing right, the debut itself can really end up sucking like with the original Sin Cara. Just thought about this as I was typing it, but AJ Styles had a great debut. Comes in 3 at the Rumble, crowd goes nuts, he hangs in for a good long while. Had some good interactions and matches right away. The surprise approach works when the people debuting actually DO SOMETHING. AJ was pretty well-known when he debuted and he was made a big deal. Owens was treated as a big deal. Balor was pushed to the top on his first night. You can't get much bigger than The Shield's debut. But last night, they had Triple H come out and say, "these guys are big deals in NXT, now they're on Raw. Cheer for them." That works when it's a die-hard WrestleMania crowd, but not your average Joe Schmoe fans. They don't know the history between DIY and The Revival. They don't understand who Aleister Black is(it's more complicated than dark and moody...). They don't know why they should get excited about Ricochet. There's no easy fix, honestly. What I would do is for the guys who are lower on the card and lesser-known commodities, run the vignettes for a month, then debut them. For the more well-known guys and the post-Mania debuts, I would have them make their surprise debut, then run vignettes or promos in the following weeks, alongside whatever else they're doing, so we can learn who they are beyond "really good tag team" or "stiff kick guy" or "flippy guy".
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 19, 2019 18:10:13 GMT -5
I'd throw Finn Balor into the hat. Debuts on the post brand split Raw. Crowd was into him. He wins a 4 way against established names then beats Roman the following week clean. It's interesting really. There's benefits and drawbacks to both methods of debuting people. If you debut them out of the blue, you could get some instant hot players ala The Shield or AJ Styles. But you do it in front of the wrong crowd like last night and it doesn't work. You run weeks of vignettes, either you run them too long and the audience stops caring like Emmalina or Lars, or the vignettes themselves suck ala Bo Dallas and Adam Rose. Even if you do get the timing right, the debut itself can really end up sucking like with the original Sin Cara. Just thought about this as I was typing it, but AJ Styles had a great debut. Comes in 3 at the Rumble, crowd goes nuts, he hangs in for a good long while. Had some good interactions and matches right away. The surprise approach works when the people debuting actually DO SOMETHING. AJ was pretty well-known when he debuted and he was made a big deal. Owens was treated as a big deal. Balor was pushed to the top on his first night. You can't get much bigger than The Shield's debut. But last night, they had Triple H come out and say, "these guys are big deals in NXT, now they're on Raw. Cheer for them." That works when it's a die-hard WrestleMania crowd, but not your average Joe Schmoe fans. They don't know the history between DIY and The Revival. They don't understand who Aleister Black is(it's more complicated than dark and moody...). They don't know why they should get excited about Ricochet. There's no easy fix, honestly. What I would do is for the guys who are lower on the card and lesser-known commodities, run the vignettes for a month, then debut them. For the more well-known guys and the post-Mania debuts, I would have them make their surprise debut, then run vignettes or promos in the following weeks, alongside whatever else they're doing, so we can learn who they are beyond "really good tag team" or "stiff kick guy" or "flippy guy". They have a metric f***ton of footage from NXT for these guys too. Hype the hell out of them. Sell them to me. Why should I give a crap about them coming to Raw or SD? Show me their NXT money feuds...promos...finishing maneuvers...sell them to me!!!! My god...it’s part of my job as a damn bartender to be able to sell you on a steak or alcoholic beverage. Why do these professionals fail on an epic scale on selling me on guys they want me to pay money to see and buy their merchandise???
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Post by sportatorium on Feb 19, 2019 19:44:58 GMT -5
Enzo & Cass. Huge pop when they came out & were consistently over until they started messing with them and we learned that they are both jackasses.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 19, 2019 20:17:17 GMT -5
I can't think of anybody in developmental right now who it would be easier to make a hype package for than f***ing Ricochet. The man's whole in-ring style is a highlight reel, how do you not think a few weeks of showing off his coolest moves? Instead of Michael Cole telling us superheroes are real, show Ricochet doing his shit and tell us he'll make us believe in them or something. They don't present their talent even remotely well anymore and it goes back to something I can't say enough: the show is very lazy. The way it's written and the way it's laid out are all unbelievably lazy and meant to be as simple and easy as possible to write without thinking about. A good presentation takes time and effort and thought, and Vince isn't giving any of that shit right now.
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