Shark
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Post by Shark on Feb 19, 2019 15:16:40 GMT -5
It was just a shit crowd. WWE really need to stop filming in certain cities. I’m cool with them treating new guys like a big deal regardless of their reaction. But they really should be hyping up these debuts for weeks. Something was weird about that crowd though. They popped for Ricochet. When his name was first announced and then when his music hit. So they knew him and reacted to him, but not to the others which is just bizarre to me.
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Post by realist on Feb 19, 2019 15:25:30 GMT -5
It was just a shit crowd. WWE really need to stop filming in certain cities. I’m cool with them treating new guys like a big deal regardless of their reaction. But they really should be hyping up these debuts for weeks. They were in Lafayette Louisiana. The reaction for NXT callups would have been much different had they been in say Chicago or New York or Philadelphia. With all due respect, I am originally from that city. I think that the crowd got a raw deal, no pun intended. When the crowd purchased their tickets for the event, they thought that they were going to Raw. They got NXT instead, filled with a bunch of dudes that they didn't know or care about. While I or other hardcore fans may have been happy to see DIY back together, the casual fan in attendance thought "Who the hell are these guys?" Before calling my hometown a shit crowd, go back and watch past Raws that came from there like when Lita beat Stephanie McMahon for the women's title with The Rock as the special guest referee or when Steve Austin chased Booker T around a church. I was in attendance for both and can tell you that when those things happened, the building shook with excitement. In other words, when they gave us stars, we acted accordingly. When they didn't, the fans in attendance acted accordingly.
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Feb 19, 2019 15:27:40 GMT -5
WWE are worse at WHAT'S ______ DOING IN THE IMPACT ZONE debuts than TNA ever were.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 19, 2019 16:16:58 GMT -5
Counterpoint: treating them as characters that have a history already might convince some people who dont watch it to check it out. Why are we using the main TV show to drive viewers toward the developmental brand and not PPVs or house shows. You know, shows that actually make money for the company.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 19, 2019 17:53:48 GMT -5
Counterpoint: treating them as characters that have a history already might convince some people who dont watch it to check it out. Why are we using the main TV show to drive viewers toward the developmental brand and not PPVs or house shows. You know, shows that actually make money for the company. Because the main roster shows are the accessible way for WWE to advertise everything it is running and NXT is a product of WWE?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 17:58:11 GMT -5
Counterpoint: treating them as characters that have a history already might convince some people who dont watch it to check it out. Why are we using the main TV show to drive viewers toward the developmental brand and not PPVs or house shows. You know, shows that actually make money for the company. Because between Raw and Smackdown they run five goddamn hours of TV every week. Not a problem to occasionally use some of that time to promote NXT. As far as execution, well, that's another story.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 19, 2019 18:03:28 GMT -5
Honestly we ragged on Otis being debuted as this creepy dumb hillbilly pervert They could have Otis and Sarah as the hillbilly version of Macho Man and Liz.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Feb 19, 2019 18:05:06 GMT -5
The worst way to debut someone is just to push them out there and then have them work some 15 minute match. And they just did it with 4 of their biggest new stars. This company man, my God.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 19, 2019 18:06:02 GMT -5
I don't watch NXT and once they brought up Emma with that dumb dance and expected me to care, I knew they weren't going to know what to do with these people.
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Feb 19, 2019 18:15:30 GMT -5
Counterpoint: treating them as characters that have a history already might convince some people who dont watch it to check it out. Why are we using the main TV show to drive viewers toward the developmental brand and not PPVs or house shows. You know, shows that actually make money for the company. And not to mention that "you SHOULD know who this is" is like the worst way you could debut someone because it's like borderline snobbish and makes for a miserably awkward time where half the audience is like "uhhh what lol"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 18:17:07 GMT -5
Honestly I feel like the way the main roster uses NXT guys on their callups would if anything actively dissuade me from watching it if I wasn't already. Why would I care about NXT after they go, "Oh my God, you need to see this Shinsuke Nakamura, he is SO good, he tore NXT up!" and then he immediately goes and has a bunch of long, boring-ass matches with Ziggler?
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Post by eJm on Feb 19, 2019 18:21:34 GMT -5
Counterpoint: treating them as characters that have a history already might convince some people who dont watch it to check it out. Why are we using the main TV show to drive viewers toward the developmental brand and not PPVs or house shows. You know, shows that actually make money for the company. I mean, they should be driving viewers towards everything they have because they should want all of it to make money, including content on the Network. I don’t know why that’s hard to get, it’s not an either or thing.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Feb 19, 2019 18:27:51 GMT -5
Remember on Smackdown around 2008, when they just started putting guys on shows without any rhyme or reason? Here I'm thinking of Scotty Goldman, Ryan Braddock, whatever Tye Dillinger's name was back then? That's what this is. It's not a new phenomenon, sadly.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 19, 2019 18:32:29 GMT -5
I don't watch NXT and once they brought up Emma with that dumb dance and expected me to care, I knew they weren't going to know what to do with these people. what's worse is that was before anyone could watch NXT. She debuted before NXT was on the Network.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 18:40:30 GMT -5
I don't watch NXT and once they brought up Emma with that dumb dance and expected me to care, I knew they weren't going to know what to do with these people. what's worse is that was before anyone could watch NXT. She debuted before NXT was on the Network. It was actually available on Hulu well before that, but not like WWE ever made a thing out of it.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 19, 2019 18:44:59 GMT -5
Why are we using the main TV show to drive viewers toward the developmental brand and not PPVs or house shows. You know, shows that actually make money for the company. Because between Raw and Smackdown they run five goddamn hours of TV every week. Not a problem to occasionally use some of that time to promote NXT. As far as execution, well, that's another story. How is this promoting NXT? Here are all these new guys! They’re not on the show you don’t watch anymore. Maybe you should watch it now. No one wants to do homework for phony wrestling. Make me care about them on the show that matters. Don’t just tell people to watch a random episode of a completely different show to understand why they’re worth a damn.
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Post by eJm on Feb 19, 2019 18:47:20 GMT -5
Honestly I feel like the way the main roster uses NXT guys on their callups would if anything actively dissuade me from watching it if I wasn't already. Why would I care about NXT after they go, "Oh my God, you need to see this Shinsuke Nakamura, he is SO good, he tore NXT up!" and then he immediately goes and has a bunch of long, boring-ass matches with Ziggler? For me, it’s more how competitive these matches are. Why did Ziggler get 75% offense on Nakamura on his debut? Same with Carmella with Asuka and same with Elias with Black. These three are people who have shown to be capable of getting their heat back after defeat very well so why aren’t these people decimated and putting these people over as ones to watch at a time when you NEED to have those. Which, again, makes Kingston getting offense over Rollins something Vince got really annoyed at utterly baffling. Yeah, it’s a character change so he should be put over but...like, how is THAT the one you take exception to?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 18:48:25 GMT -5
Honestly I feel like the way the main roster uses NXT guys on their callups would if anything actively dissuade me from watching it if I wasn't already. Why would I care about NXT after they go, "Oh my God, you need to see this Shinsuke Nakamura, he is SO good, he tore NXT up!" and then he immediately goes and has a bunch of long, boring-ass matches with Ziggler? For me, it’s more how competitive these matches are. Why did Ziggler get 75% offense on Nakamura on his debut? Same with Carmella with Asuka and same with Elias with Black. These three are people who have shown to be capable of getting their heat back after defeat very well so why aren’t these people decimated and putting these people over as ones to watch at a time when you NEED to have those. Which, again, makes Kingston getting offense over Rollins something Vince got really annoyed at utterly baffling. Yeah, it’s a character change so he should be put over but...like, how is THAT the one you take exception to? Asuka's was actually with Emma... which gets even DUMBER because Emma was fired two days later. And yet it just couldn't be a squash because who knows.
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Post by eJm on Feb 19, 2019 18:49:09 GMT -5
For me, it’s more how competitive these matches are. Why did Ziggler get 75% offense on Nakamura on his debut? Same with Carmella with Asuka and same with Elias with Black. These three are people who have shown to be capable of getting their heat back after defeat very well so why aren’t these people decimated and putting these people over as ones to watch at a time when you NEED to have those. Which, again, makes Kingston getting offense over Rollins something Vince got really annoyed at utterly baffling. Yeah, it’s a character change so he should be put over but...like, how is THAT the one you take exception to? Asuka's was actually with Emma... which gets even DUMBER because Emma was fired two days later. And yet it just couldn't be a squash because who knows. ...how did I forget THAT?! ...Jesus, that really happened didn’t it?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 19, 2019 18:49:58 GMT -5
Because between Raw and Smackdown they run five goddamn hours of TV every week. Not a problem to occasionally use some of that time to promote NXT. As far as execution, well, that's another story. How is this promoting NXT? Here are all these new guys! They’re not on the show you don’t watch anymore. Maybe you should watch it now. No one wants to do homework for phony wrestling. Make me care about them on the show that matters. Don’t just tell people to watch a random episode of a completely different show to understand why they’re worth a damn. because the idea was they'd post recaps of what is going on NXT right now so when they debut on the main roster the fans that only watch the Main Roster are familiar with them.
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