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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 24, 2019 22:22:27 GMT -5
Everyone who's in the "27 Club". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_ClubAlso, Buddy Holly was only 22 when he died. I think dying early is a form of wasted potential. Buddy Holly's a great answer, he definitely had a ton to show. I wonder if he'd have kept going on and on, or if he would have petered out like a lot of acts did. I'm inclined to think he'd have had more staying power than Johnny Ray, etc, in the limelight.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Feb 24, 2019 22:45:13 GMT -5
Theyve had a fair bit of success so i dunno if you'd call it wasted potential, but Lacuna Coil would be so much better if they got rid of the terrible male singer. He's completely holding them back. He writes most of their music. Hes a decent songwriter, I'll give him that. But he has no busines ssinging. He sounds awful, especially when next to Cristina. He's the reason I've never got fully into the band. Put him on guitar or keyboard or something.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 22:47:01 GMT -5
Everyone who's in the "27 Club". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_ClubAlso, Buddy Holly was only 22 when he died. I think dying early is a form of wasted potential. Buddy Holly's a great answer, he definitely had a ton to show. I wonder if he'd have kept going on and on, or if he would have petered out like a lot of acts did. I'm inclined to think he'd have had more staying power than Johnny Ray, etc, in the limelight. Buddy Holly came up with a bunch of studio tricks that were used for years if not still used today, at worst he would have transitioned into producing albums for others. Dude was quite talented.
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Post by Derk! on Feb 24, 2019 23:28:28 GMT -5
In Flames. Right when their melodic death metal style was catching fire they ditched it so that they could sound like a bad Korn clone instead. Soilwork followed suit and Arch Enemy just kept making uninspired album after uninspired album. The only band from that scene still making quality music is Dark Tranquility. I'm leaving At the Gates out because of their long hiatus. IMO Soilwork has recovered nicely with their 3 latest albums, the first 2 of which I'd easily put up there with their earlier albums.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 25, 2019 1:31:50 GMT -5
Sid Vicious (The Sex Pistol, not the wrestler) has to be up there as a less talked about what if? It's tough to believe how young he was. The guy was a terrible bass player, but got to the point of not terrible as far as his singing goes. I really like all studio versions of the three covers he did as a solo act. The thing about Sid though was what got him fans was his look and weird charisma. With how manufactured music became I could easily see Sid becoming a huge star in the 1980s. Instead he got on heroin, killed his girlfriend (probably), and died of an overdose at 21. Sorry, but no. The Sex Pistols were every bit as manufactured as modern boy bands, their image and attitude carefully managed by McLaren and Westwood. Vicious was a crap musician, with no experience with the instrument he was put in the band to play, based on his look and being John Lydon's mate. He's about as organic as a member of the Monkees and would have faded into obscurity by the mid 80s because the talent wasn't there once you scratched away the rebellion, unlike Lydon or Matlock, the guy he was put in the band to replace. His main songwriting contribution to the Sex Pistols, and the only song he actually wrote on his solo album was a holocaust joke, that there us a sign he wasn't going to be a breakout solo star, and of what kind of a person he was. Even without drugs, he was a thuggish lowlife, known for assaulting journalists and fighting his peers, and very few people from that dark side of punk had a career after about 83, he would have been in prison by the mid 80s because he was a nasty piece of work. If he was a gifted musician, people would perhaps have been more forgiving, but he just wasn't, he was a triumph of image over ability just as much as any boyband member in the decades that followed.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 25, 2019 8:08:01 GMT -5
Sid Vicious (The Sex Pistol, not the wrestler) has to be up there as a less talked about what if? It's tough to believe how young he was. The guy was a terrible bass player, but got to the point of not terrible as far as his singing goes. I really like all studio versions of the three covers he did as a solo act. The thing about Sid though was what got him fans was his look and weird charisma. With how manufactured music became I could easily see Sid becoming a huge star in the 1980s. Instead he got on heroin, killed his girlfriend (probably), and died of an overdose at 21. Sorry, but no. The Sex Pistols were every bit as manufactured as modern boy bands, their image and attitude carefully managed by McLaren and Westwood. Vicious was a crap musician, with no experience with the instrument he was put in the band to play, based on his look and being John Lydon's mate. He's about as organic as a member of the Monkees and would have faded into obscurity by the mid 80s because the talent wasn't there once you scratched away the rebellion, unlike Lydon or Matlock, the guy he was put in the band to replace. His main songwriting contribution to the Sex Pistols, and the only song he actually wrote on his solo album was a holocaust joke, that there us a sign he wasn't going to be a breakout solo star, and of what kind of a person he was. Even without drugs, he was a thuggish lowlife, known for assaulting journalists and fighting his peers, and very few people from that dark side of punk had a career after about 83, he would have been in prison by the mid 80s because he was a nasty piece of work. If he was a gifted musician, people would perhaps have been more forgiving, but he just wasn't, he was a triumph of image over ability just as much as any boyband member in the decades that followed. And every few years another boy band breaks out huge. Based not on musicianship, but looks and charisma. Things that Sid had. All the Nazi, violence, and drug stuff may have held him back. Which is what happened. In fact, the last of those three killed him.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Feb 25, 2019 8:26:34 GMT -5
Sorry, but no. The Sex Pistols were every bit as manufactured as modern boy bands, their image and attitude carefully managed by McLaren and Westwood. Vicious was a crap musician, with no experience with the instrument he was put in the band to play, based on his look and being John Lydon's mate. He's about as organic as a member of the Monkees and would have faded into obscurity by the mid 80s because the talent wasn't there once you scratched away the rebellion, unlike Lydon or Matlock, the guy he was put in the band to replace. His main songwriting contribution to the Sex Pistols, and the only song he actually wrote on his solo album was a holocaust joke, that there us a sign he wasn't going to be a breakout solo star, and of what kind of a person he was. Even without drugs, he was a thuggish lowlife, known for assaulting journalists and fighting his peers, and very few people from that dark side of punk had a career after about 83, he would have been in prison by the mid 80s because he was a nasty piece of work. If he was a gifted musician, people would perhaps have been more forgiving, but he just wasn't, he was a triumph of image over ability just as much as any boyband member in the decades that followed. And every few years another boy band breaks out huge. Based not on musicianship, but looks and charisma. Things that Sid had. All the Nazi, violence, and drug stuff may have held him back. Which is what happened. In fact, the last of those three killed him. I thought Sid was a pretty decent singer.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 25, 2019 8:37:57 GMT -5
And every few years another boy band breaks out huge. Based not on musicianship, but looks and charisma. Things that Sid had. All the Nazi, violence, and drug stuff may have held him back. Which is what happened. In fact, the last of those three killed him. I thought Sid was a pretty decent singer. I liked his singing, but I'm sure people with a more technical understanding of singing could point out his flaws. I don't think it would matter either way. Enough people still enjoyed it to make Sid a big star. The original Sex Pistols material may have a more lasting legacy, but Sid hardly died in obscurity. Malcolm McLaren had him hastily record three covers he didn't even want to do and they sold huge. Imagine what Sid with any level of focus or longevity could have sold.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 25, 2019 8:41:16 GMT -5
Everyone who's in the "27 Club". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_ClubAlso, Buddy Holly was only 22 when he died. I think dying early is a form of wasted potential. Good call. In the same vein, Richie Valens. Dude was well on his way to being a monster star
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 25, 2019 9:55:01 GMT -5
And every few years another boy band breaks out huge. Based not on musicianship, but looks and charisma. Things that Sid had. All the Nazi, violence, and drug stuff may have held him back. Which is what happened. In fact, the last of those three killed him. Those things were a big part of who he was as a person, unfortunately. I don't think it's really wasted potential if the only way for him to actually amount to anything is to change everything about himself and become Sting, Captain sensible or Billy Idol. Too much about him would need to change for him to have any real solo career, and better performers from better bands without his baggage fell short.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 25, 2019 12:28:35 GMT -5
Amy Winehouse wasn't my thing, but she had a hell of a lot more potential than she got to show. Some artists have demons. This woman was the full Ars Goetia. Never have I seen somebody so determined to f*** up every opportunity and skill that they had. Hers is truly a sad story.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 25, 2019 17:48:13 GMT -5
Strange as it may sound, but Freddie Mercury.
His passing was preventable in that all the hedonism could have been avoided, or at least acknowledged aids and practiced safety first.
With his biopic being the talk of the town, and Queen still touring, imagine what may have been.
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Post by Vampiro138 on Feb 25, 2019 18:52:05 GMT -5
since Buddy Holly was mentioned, I will go back to Chicago again and say Terry Kath passing makes me yearn for what could have been if he lived. He only had 6 records with Chicago and while all signs point to him leaving the group I feel him as a guitarist was a huge waste of potential, when Hendrix straight up says "this guy is better than me" there is something there. Dude should have been a bigger deal than he was, he was an absolute beast of a guitar player, and an incredible soulful singer.
I will also throw in the Graves era of The Misfits, once again like GnR I feel if they didnt call themselves The Misfits, Graves would have gotten more admiration as a singer, his stuff with them was fantastic and he had such a great voice. But he had the big shoes to fill of singing in The Misfits and not being Glenn Danzig.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Feb 25, 2019 20:06:50 GMT -5
since Buddy Holly was mentioned, I will go back to Chicago again and say Terry Kath passing makes me yearn for what could have been if he lived. He only had 6 records with Chicago and while all signs point to him leaving the group I feel him as a guitarist was a huge waste of potential, when Hendrix straight up says "this guy is better than me" there is something there. Dude should have been a bigger deal than he was, he was an absolute beast of a guitar player, and an incredible soulful singer. I will also throw in the Graves era of The Misfits, once again like GnR I feel if they didnt call themselves The Misfits, Graves would have gotten more admiration as a singer, his stuff with them was fantastic and he had such a great voice. But he had the big shoes to fill of singing in The Misfits and not being Glenn Danzig. American Psycho was actually my first exposure to the Misfits and an album I still truly enjoy to this day from beginning to end. I don't recall being that fond of Famous Monsters which, I believe, was the follow-up with him still on vocals but I could be wrong AND it's been a loooong time since I've listened to it. People that hated Graves or Graves-era Misfits mainly only did so because "He's not Danzig," which is preposterous. If anyone from the band is to blame, really, I'd say Only for trying to Gene Simmons the hell out of the Misfits name, property, and whatnot while trying to keep the thing going.
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Post by Paul on Feb 25, 2019 21:37:32 GMT -5
Whitney Houston. One of the best voices in the history of Pop music and her career took a total nosedive because of her drug addiction and troubled relationship. She made something of a comeback with her last album at least.
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Post by Vampiro138 on Feb 25, 2019 21:50:53 GMT -5
since Buddy Holly was mentioned, I will go back to Chicago again and say Terry Kath passing makes me yearn for what could have been if he lived. He only had 6 records with Chicago and while all signs point to him leaving the group I feel him as a guitarist was a huge waste of potential, when Hendrix straight up says "this guy is better than me" there is something there. Dude should have been a bigger deal than he was, he was an absolute beast of a guitar player, and an incredible soulful singer. I will also throw in the Graves era of The Misfits, once again like GnR I feel if they didnt call themselves The Misfits, Graves would have gotten more admiration as a singer, his stuff with them was fantastic and he had such a great voice. But he had the big shoes to fill of singing in The Misfits and not being Glenn Danzig. American Psycho was actually my first exposure to the Misfits and an album I still truly enjoy to this day from beginning to end. I don't recall being that fond of Famous Monsters which, I believe, was the follow-up with him still on vocals but I could be wrong AND it's been a loooong time since I've listened to it. People that hated Graves or Graves-era Misfits mainly only did so because "He's not Danzig," which is preposterous. If anyone from the band is to blame, really, I'd say Only for trying to Gene Simmons the hell out of the Misfits name, property, and whatnot while trying to keep the thing going. Famous Monsters wasnt as bad as people say, yeah there are a few meh tracks and its not a good as American Psycho, but songs like Dust To Dust, Lost In Space, Scream, Descending Angel, Helena, and Pumpkinhead are all damn fine songs. I do find that ALOT of people dismiss 90s Misfits simply because they continued on with the name without Danzig singing. and ALOT of hate I heard from people at the time and still read online twords Graves is 90% the fact he sang for The Misfits and isnt Danzig. Jerry did turn them into Punk KISS and got that Logo everywhere, him and Doyle seem to operate in similar ways with Doyle trying to market his skull logo on several thousand things. And then theres those Misfits shirts at JC Penny and WalMart that have the special "endorsed by Glenn Danzig" labels on them. the whole operation has turned into KISS at this point.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Feb 25, 2019 22:17:31 GMT -5
Sorry, Vampiro138 I'm on mobile, don't want to continuously multi-quote. Yeah, it was ridiculous. One of the first friends I had that introduced me to punk saw them at a festival and her complaint was, "He's not as fast as Danzig." I'll also have to give Famous Monsters a new listen with fresh ears. I know I started up American Psycho immediately after I replied. I love this album.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 25, 2019 23:26:57 GMT -5
Have we gotten this far without a Cobain mention? I mean yeah he did do two of the best albums of the 1990s with Nevermind and In Utero but imagine what could have been.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Feb 26, 2019 0:58:53 GMT -5
Strange as it may sound, but Freddie Mercury. His passing was preventable in that all the hedonism could have been avoided, or at least acknowledged aids and practiced safety first. With his biopic being the talk of the town, and Queen still touring, imagine what may have been. I feel like this is something that’s much easier to say in hindsight. Like, yeah, perhaps he could’ve been less promiscuous, but AIDS education and prevention was nowhere near as in-depth and wide-reaching in the early to mid ‘80s. In fact, around the time he most likely contracted the disease, public awareness was practically nonexistent, so there’s not that great of a chance he could’ve acknowledged it in the first place.
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Post by Fauxnaki on Feb 26, 2019 6:31:01 GMT -5
since Buddy Holly was mentioned, I will go back to Chicago again and say Terry Kath passing makes me yearn for what could have been if he lived. He only had 6 records with Chicago and while all signs point to him leaving the group I feel him as a guitarist was a huge waste of potential, when Hendrix straight up says "this guy is better than me" there is something there. Dude should have been a bigger deal than he was, he was an absolute beast of a guitar player, and an incredible soulful singer. I will also throw in the Graves era of The Misfits, once again like GnR I feel if they didnt call themselves The Misfits, Graves would have gotten more admiration as a singer, his stuff with them was fantastic and he had such a great voice. But he had the big shoes to fill of singing in The Misfits and not being Glenn Danzig. Shame what happened with the misfits but I prefer graves solo stuff and Danzig's solo stuff over the misfits stuff. Doyle has a new band which introduced me to cancerslug another band I love so I think it worked out for the best in the end. I used to love the famous monsters album but listening back to it, its horribly produced. Graves lost skeleton album has a lot of re recording of his misfits songs in a much better quality if your interested in that
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