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Post by Cvslfc123 on Feb 26, 2019 7:56:37 GMT -5
Bon Scott- a much better singer than Brian Johnson. Such a shame that the evils of drug abuse won.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 26, 2019 9:05:42 GMT -5
Have we gotten this far without a Cobain mention? I mean yeah he did do two of the best albums of the 1990s with Nevermind and In Utero but imagine what could have been. Thing is, had he not taken his life , it's widely believed that he was going to get out of the music business sooner than later |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 26, 2019 10:38:09 GMT -5
Have we gotten this far without a Cobain mention? I mean yeah he did do two of the best albums of the 1990s with Nevermind and In Utero but imagine what could have been. The thing is he died having already achieved greatness, much like John Lennon, putting out some classic albums. He's not someone who passed away on the verge of doing bug things, so while there are some what ifs, there aren't as many as with others who died young. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 13:12:38 GMT -5
I honestly feel like Lady Gaga wastes her potential on schlocky attention grabs
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 26, 2019 13:25:34 GMT -5
Strange as it may sound, but Freddie Mercury. His passing was preventable in that all the hedonism could have been avoided, or at least acknowledged aids and practiced safety first. With his biopic being the talk of the town, and Queen still touring, imagine what may have been. I feel like this is something that’s much easier to say in hindsight. Like, yeah, perhaps he could’ve been less promiscuous, but AIDS education and prevention was nowhere near as in-depth and wide-reaching in the early to mid ‘80s. In fact, around the time he most likely contracted the disease, public awareness was practically nonexistent, so there’s not that great of a chance he could’ve acknowledged it in the first place. Nah, bro. His well wishers warned him of AIDS. He didn't "believe" in it. youtu.be/0OWPADFASFMyoutu.be/uazC2IdI8rw |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 26, 2019 13:34:34 GMT -5
Theyve had a fair bit of success so i dunno if you'd call it wasted potential, but Lacuna Coil would be so much better if they got rid of the terrible male singer. He's completely holding them back. I think he's a lot better when he sticks to screaming like he does on Delirium. And I don't think they'd ever ditch him, the band's fanbase is already pretty wary of Cristina stealing the spotlight from him, and both of them seem pretty happy trying to keep it 50/50 |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 26, 2019 14:51:51 GMT -5
American Psycho was actually my first exposure to the Misfits and an album I still truly enjoy to this day from beginning to end. I don't recall being that fond of Famous Monsters which, I believe, was the follow-up with him still on vocals but I could be wrong AND it's been a loooong time since I've listened to it. People that hated Graves or Graves-era Misfits mainly only did so because "He's not Danzig," which is preposterous. If anyone from the band is to blame, really, I'd say Only for trying to Gene Simmons the hell out of the Misfits name, property, and whatnot while trying to keep the thing going. Famous Monsters wasnt as bad as people say, yeah there are a few meh tracks and its not a good as American Psycho, but songs like Dust To Dust, Lost In Space, Scream, Descending Angel, Helena, and Pumpkinhead are all damn fine songs. I do find that ALOT of people dismiss 90s Misfits simply because they continued on with the name without Danzig singing. and ALOT of hate I heard from people at the time and still read online twords Graves is 90% the fact he sang for The Misfits and isnt Danzig. Jerry did turn them into Punk KISS and got that Logo everywhere, him and Doyle seem to operate in similar ways with Doyle trying to market his skull logo on several thousand things. And then theres those Misfits shirts at JC Penny and WalMart that have the special "endorsed by Glenn Danzig" labels on them. the whole operation has turned into KISS at this point. I will die defending the hill that Graves is the best singer they've ever had. |
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Feb 26, 2019 16:05:34 GMT -5
Famous Monsters wasnt as bad as people say, yeah there are a few meh tracks and its not a good as American Psycho, but songs like Dust To Dust, Lost In Space, Scream, Descending Angel, Helena, and Pumpkinhead are all damn fine songs. I do find that ALOT of people dismiss 90s Misfits simply because they continued on with the name without Danzig singing. and ALOT of hate I heard from people at the time and still read online twords Graves is 90% the fact he sang for The Misfits and isnt Danzig. Jerry did turn them into Punk KISS and got that Logo everywhere, him and Doyle seem to operate in similar ways with Doyle trying to market his skull logo on several thousand things. And then theres those Misfits shirts at JC Penny and WalMart that have the special "endorsed by Glenn Danzig" labels on them. the whole operation has turned into KISS at this point. I will die defending the hill that Graves is the best singer they've ever had. For those who aren't clouded by some bizarre allegiance to Danzig (why anyone would love that prick as much as many people do, I will never understand)... There is absolutely NO question that Graves is superior in every way. Better singer, better songwriter, better live performer, better person. Also, "Famous Monsters" is every bit as good as "American Psycho", to the point that I may actually prefer it of the 2. That being said...I would like to add Michale Graves to the list of wasted potential. And I actually know Michale and some other folks involved in this a little, so it's been painful to watch as both a fan and friend. He had the Misfits thing, and while many rejected him, the band maintained a lot of old fans, and gained a ton of new ones during his tenure. When he left in 2000, he was doing so with a ton of momentum behind him. He was also still very young, 23 or 24 at the time of his departure. So he and CHUD immediately form Graves and put out the "Web of Dharma" album, which is good. Different in some respects from his Misfits work, more musically and lyrically nuanced with hints of genres ranging from punk and metal to jazz and folk. The album gained a little attention and, right as they seemed poised to hit the next step, it fell apart. I still don't know the full story, as neither CHUD nor Michale seem to like to talk about it, even personally. Whatever happened, it was the first major blow Graves would suffer. From there, he starts Gotham Road. Let me just say right off the rip, THIS BAND SHOULD HAVE BEEN HUGE. Their mix of punk, metal, and hardcore paired with their spooky imagery was directly in line with where heavy music was going during their 2 year run, and these guys did it better than ANYONE. However, it was during this time that Michale started to display some very questionable behaviors (booking and cancelling entire tours, cancelling multiple shows on tours, etc.). Then he just up and decides to join the Marines out of nowhere, completely halting the band. Nothing against joining the military, but it was a bizarre decision for a guy on the verge of breaking out with a new band of his own creation. Adding to how unfortunate the decision was musically, it became an even bigger disappointment when he got hurt during basic training and was medically discharged. Gotham Road did 2 more shows with a different drummer, but it just wasn't the same. Since then, Michale has been extremely prolific as a solo artist, putting out a ton of material ranging from singer-songwriter acoustic stuff to a few full-on returns to his horror punk roots, a ton of rarity & b-side collections, done some work in movies, among other things. Unfortunately, especially toward the beginning of his solo career, his erratic behavior pertaining to live performance continued, resulting in yet more cancelled tours and shows. My association with Michale began during the Gotham Road days, as I had a previous friendship with both drummer Paul Klein and bassist JV Bastard dating back to their time in Mister Monster. During this time, I was directly effected by Michale's strange behavior on 2 occasions: 1. I actually booked Gotham Road to play on Charlotte, along with the 2 bands they were touring with (Trashlight Vison and Blitzkid). Day of the show, I'm at the club super early as any good promoter should be, and I'm told that Gotham Road isn't coming because Michale had called and demanded more money. The other bands arrived, and I was told a different story about the club trying to cut their pay. I tried reaching them directly and got no answer that night, but they called the next day and told me a completely different story from the previous 2, about their RV breaking down and needing the club to wire them their guarantee so they could get it fixed and make the show, which the club had apparently refused to do. When it was all said and done, I honestly don't know what really happened or who to believe about it. 2. The second time was on my 20th birthday. I had made plans a month or more in advance to take a trip to Baltimore from Charlotte to see Gotham Road on my birthday (hey, I was a real fan). 4 days prior to the actual date, the show gets cancelled, and I am bummed. 2 days before the date, the show gets put back on. I even contacted them to confirm this and was assured that they would be there. After a long, nightmarish trip to Baltimore that I don't even want to get into, we finally arrive at the club...and are promptly told that they had re-cancelled that afternoon. These days, Michale seems to be more reliable and churns out music at an impressive clip, but the damage has been done, I think. Instead of being where he could have been, selling out bigger places and being a known entity, he literally headlines the same size clubs as my band, and I was never a Misfit or on the verge of breaking out big. Even me, who is probably the most die-hard Michale Graves fan in the world who once drove 7+ hours to see him, won't drive more than an hour to see him because I've been burned and seen it happen to others. I also don't think I would even try to help book him again, as my reputation in my current city is very good, and I just don't want to risk him being the one to put a chink in it. Personally, Michale is an extremely nice, intelligent man who is fascinating to converse with. He's fantastic to his fans and always puts everything he has into his shows, rarely delivering a less than great performance. I consider myself beyond lucky to call a man who is one of my musical heroes my friend, and I'm always glad when we get to catch up. As a man who puts his business reputation on the line everytime I play or promote a show, I just don't think he's worth the risk. Unfortunately, I know a lot of folks share my apprehension. Tl;dr: Michale Graves made a lot of weird decisions and his career has suffered a lot. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 27, 2019 18:02:21 GMT -5
Elliott Smith. He was finally getting himself cleaned up, learning new production techniques and then he was murdered. I know they say it was suicide, but no hesitation wounds? We'll never know what he could have gone on to be, clean and focussed.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 27, 2019 18:05:27 GMT -5
Azealia Banks. Strictly speaking in terms of her music, she hasn't lost a step. But she's insisted on starting feuds with just about everyone, including Beyonce (!!!). Plus, for every point she makes that I agree with, she makes about ten thousand other points that are homophobic, transphobic, body-shaming, racist, deliberately reactionary, etc. She'd be on the same level as Cardi B right now if she didn't insist on being such an edge lord. Although let's not downplay the absolutely clownshoes way her career was managed. '212' became an instant mega-hit in December of 2011. The album it came from was released... in November 2014.She spent literally years hyping up shit that she would release, and then when that shit did come out, it was... fine. I just looked it up on Wikipedia and she is still doing that, by the way. For someone from the hip-hop end of music especially, she has barely any released material to her name. I'm not saying she needs to be Lil B, but most rappers have churned out more mixtapes before their first radio hit than Banks has released in a decade-long career at this point. I don't know whose fault this is (Banks always blames the label, the more you see about how Banks conducts herself the less I think anyone other than her shoulders even the majority blame) but her potential was being wasted long before she started revealing what a bigot she is. Okay, I just posted a song video on the 2000s music thread from long-forgotten R&B singer named Houston. He had that song "I Like That," which was a hit back in 2004. It was even featured in a McDonald's commercial. Then came the suicide attempt and then gouged out his own eye. He never came back after that. He had so much potential, even though there was talk of him making a comeback at some point. It didn't happen, clearly. Didn't remember this guy until you said the eye thing. f***, man. I didn't realise he never came back. Amy Winehouse wasn't my thing, but she had a hell of a lot more potential than she got to show. Some artists have demons. This woman was the full Ars Goetia. Never have I seen somebody so determined to f*** up every opportunity and skill that they had. Hers is truly a sad story. I'd say that she at least shares accountability for how her life turned out with Blake and her father. Blake seemed to be the classic toxic limpet husband attached to a famous person, and if I remember rightly, Mitch had cameras rolling when Amy's body was found and kept them rolling (which obviously didn't kill her but gives an indication of what kind of a person he was, I think he was managing her at the time). Have we gotten this far without a Cobain mention? I mean yeah he did do two of the best albums of the 1990s with Nevermind and In Utero but imagine what could have been. Based on MTV Unplugged, I would've killed for a more bluegrass/roots influenced Cobain record. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 18:54:53 GMT -5
I'd hardly call people that died young like Kurt Cobain and Bon Scott "wasted potential".
Gone too soon for sure, but that potential damn sure wasn't wasted.
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Post by ZERO on Mar 2, 2019 13:26:23 GMT -5
Zwan.
Forever destined to be that thing Billy Corgan did for a couple of years between Smashing Pumpkins stints, but much, much better than the one studio album would suggest. A kind of supergroup, with Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlin joined by David Pajo (Slint, Papa M), Matt Sweeney (Chavez) and Paz Lenchantin (A Perfect Circle). There was also talk of Zwan being more of a flexible entity, and being any one of multiple "Zwans" with "Mary Star of the Sea" being recorded by "The True Poets of Zwan" and the planned second album being an acoustic affair by "The Djali Zwan" that never materialised. The band fell apart acrimoniously in 2003, with Corgan later throwing the entire band under the bus in interviews, and more recently David Pajo calling Corgan a bully and comparing him to a certain someone with a line I can't repeat here because politics.
Anyway, check out the live shows they did around 2001-2002. Lots of stuff that never made the album, and the closest we'll ever get to the Djali Zwan album is the leaked "Spun" soundtrack:
Corgan last year talked of him and Jimmy possibly revisiting Zwan some day with an all-new lineup (and they have done some Zwan songs on Pumpkins tours in recent years), and I'd be OK with them doing so.
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Post by nickcave on Mar 2, 2019 14:31:52 GMT -5
Everyone who's in the "27 Club". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_ClubAlso, Buddy Holly was only 22 when he died. I think dying early is a form of wasted potential. Buddy Holly's a great answer, he definitely had a ton to show. I wonder if he'd have kept going on and on, or if he would have petered out like a lot of acts did. I'm inclined to think he'd have had more staying power than Johnny Ray, etc, in the limelight. Considering his small sampling of material was one of the biggest influences on the Beatles wanting to write their own songs, it would have been interesting to see what he could have done had he stayed alive. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Mar 2, 2019 18:31:23 GMT -5
Strange as it may sound, but Freddie Mercury. His passing was preventable in that all the hedonism could have been avoided, or at least acknowledged aids and practiced safety first. With his biopic being the talk of the town, and Queen still touring, imagine what may have been. Maybe, but I cannot help but to think that a part of what drove them to make the music they did towards the end of his life was his imminent passing to begin with. It's impossible to know what would have happened had he not gotten sick, especially since the band as a whole was both quite successful for years, trendsetting, and variable over the years. They could have put out classic works long past the days that they were a currently relevant act (not that milking your old successes is a bad thing), but who knows? Edit: I forgot to give an option of my own. The thing is that I don't know if my choice completely counts. I have for years been a big fan of Julian Lennon's music. I recognize that he has limitations as a singer. I think he is a top notch songwriter, though. I feel like a number of things conspired to cause him to frequently walk away from the music industry for extended periods of time, though every time he releases stuff it is damned good. Let's face it; it is impossible for him to get out of his father's shadow, a problem his brother Sean, himself an interesting musician, also has. It doesn't both of them also sound something like their dad at moments (though John had much more range as a singer than I've heard from either of them). At least when Sean released his debut album there wasn't an album by their father on the charts, complete with a Top 10 single (specifically, "Nobody Told me" off of "Milk and Honey"), which was something Julian had to deal with. The music industry was so desperate to shoehorn Julian into the role of "Clone of John Lennon" that I think it had a profound effect on him. Julian's second album had one minor hit on it ("Stick Around") and then he was ignored. After that he would alternate between taking a little time off and putting out another album that would have gotten better recognition had he not been John's son. He then started taking many, many years off (7 between albums 4-5, 13 between albums 5-6). I can only imagine how much more good music he might have made had he simply been recognized as his own man. Then again, maybe his music on his albums was so good because he did take years off. Maybe he does write music constantly but it mostly is crap and only his good stuff makes it onto albums. Who knows? |
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Post by unc40 on Mar 2, 2019 23:50:06 GMT -5
Rebecca Black has a beautiful voice unfortunately that awful Friday video will follow her no matter how well she performs in the music industry.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Mar 3, 2019 2:28:01 GMT -5
The group Badfinger and it's members Peter Ham and Tom Evans, very talented group with some amazing songs, never really gained proper following and even their most famous song - Without You is s Harry Nilsson original
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Mar 3, 2019 7:49:26 GMT -5
Method Man. Dude rolled a 20 on everything it takes to be a good rapper. Voice, flow, technique. He's got maybe the most famous group of friends ever in rap. He's good looking. He's got loads of street cred, but he's also got an unthreatening side. His lyrics are playful (a little simple compared to his Clan friends, but for the mainstream that's not necessarily bad) and when he's punchline focused, they land. And with all that? Eh. He's done fine. He's that guy that likes to smoke weed, right? Personally, I always thought the wind went out of Wu-Tang's sails with Wu-Tang Forever. RZA's master plan worked, they obtained dominance on their own terms..and then it was like "What now?" Aside from ODB's second solo album and a couple Ghostface jawns, nothing they did as a group or solo ever came close to the potency of their work in the mid 90's. And Meth will always be able to say he was on The Wire too. |
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Mar 3, 2019 12:18:59 GMT -5
I honestly feel like Lady Gaga wastes her potential on schlocky attention grabs This would've held a bit more water back in, say, 2010 when she was wearing over-the-top costumes, but she's so far removed from that persona now and that wasn't even the main gist of her act back then anyway. She's sold millions of albums, won Grammys, recently won an Academy Award, headlined one of the better received Super Bowl halftime shows in the past few years, and is generally one of the biggest stars in the world. Like, how much potential needs to be fulfilled before it's no longer considered wasted? |
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Post by mrtuesday on Mar 3, 2019 12:31:38 GMT -5
I honestly feel like Lady Gaga wastes her potential on schlocky attention grabs I looked up some of her pre-Gaga stuff, and she's always had an amazing voice and has always been a good musician. The problem is, that's not enough to make it. Her classmates we're right. "Stefani Germanotta" was never going to be famous. It wasn't until she became the attention-seeking Lady Gaga that she got that extra bit that made her a star. I say the same thing about Sia. "Sia Furler" was never going to be famous. Great singer and musician, no doubt. But it wasn't until she wore a with in front of her face that she became a star. They're gimmicks. Characters. But it's all part of the entertainment industry. |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 3, 2019 17:00:17 GMT -5
I honestly feel like Lady Gaga wastes her potential on schlocky attention grabs I looked up some of her pre-Gaga stuff, and she's always had an amazing voice and has always been a good musician. The problem is, that's not enough to make it. Her classmates we're right. "Stefani Germanotta" was never going to be famous. It wasn't until she became the attention-seeking Lady Gaga that she got that extra bit that made her a star. I say the same thing about Sia. "Sia Furler" was never going to be famous. Great singer and musician, no doubt. But it wasn't until she wore a with in front of her face that she became a star. They're gimmicks. Characters. But it's all part of the entertainment industry. You mean the same Sia that had hits with Breathe Me and the We Are Born album, and then so much success with Titanium that she had an anxiety attack? |
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