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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 7, 2019 19:39:29 GMT -5
I remember when he married Lisa Marie my dad saying “He’s after Elvis’ songs now” after he bought the Beatles song publishing. That Beatles move was smart business. I’ll always give him credit for that. Well of course it was. Telling Paul McCartney how smart it was and then outbidding him was the kind of shitheel move. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 7, 2019 19:39:46 GMT -5
The Lisa Marie marriage was so obviously a calculated business move by one or both parties they might as well have had a TPS report cover sheet about it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 7, 2019 19:44:27 GMT -5
That Beatles move was smart business. I’ll always give him credit for that. Well of course it was. Telling Paul McCartney how smart it was and then outbidding him was the kind of shitheel move. Paul made the mistake of thinking of them as friends when it was pretty clear Michael had no adult friends/couldn't relate to adults at all. Related to the charges, in one biography I read it was spelled out pretty well just how f***ed up Michael's mentality toward sexuality was due to the conflict between his religious views and his dad and brothers openly having sex with young groupies on the road, usually in the same room as Michael. And you wanna talk bad guys, Joe Jackson was a royal piece of shit. |
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Post by Cyno on Mar 7, 2019 19:47:34 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea what to make of Michael Jackson. Like, I can easily see him being a manipulative, calculating predator who preyed on children emotionally if not physically, but I can also see him ultimately being a mentally broken man who tried his entire life to reclaim a childhood stolen by his piece of shit father.
It's also easy to believe that these two people could exist at the same time.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 7, 2019 19:51:25 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea what to make of Michael Jackson. Like, I can easily see him being a manipulative, calculating predator who preyed on children emotionally if not physically, but I can also see him ultimately being a mentally broken man who tried his entire life to reclaim a childhood stolen by his piece of shit father. It's also easy to believe that these two people could exist at the same time. That's how I feel with it. I can buy him just being a really f***ed up guy with mental issues who was beaten by his father, exposed to sexuality he didn't know how to process, and never got to be a kid/was his family's meal ticket and that be it OR I can buy being all that and a molester. Neither would be a shock. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 7, 2019 19:57:30 GMT -5
That Beatles move was smart business. I’ll always give him credit for that. Well of course it was. Telling Paul McCartney how smart it was and then outbidding him was the kind of shitheel move. Hard to feel too sympathetic, given how Paul himself owns a whole heap.of other artists' publishing rights, including Buddy Holly. He wouldn't have lost the rights to begin with if he and Lennon had more sense than to be arses to the majority shareholder in Northern Songs. |
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Post by Perd on Mar 7, 2019 20:18:04 GMT -5
I’ve always though it was very likely he had inappropriate contact with children. I thought that before the doc and I still do.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Mar 7, 2019 20:29:40 GMT -5
I don’t buy into the whole “these famous kids said they were never touched by Michael Jackson so he’s not guilty” line either. Let’s be honest here. A famous child star is going to get more attention and believability if they were to come forward with an allegation. Little Timmy from Bumfugg, Iowa... not so much. A random unknown kid is going to be far more prone to being star struck or afraid of saying anything about Jackson. It doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. I’m sure Jackson was well aware of that too. I remember watching the Katt Williams standup The Pimp Chronicles. He did a whole routine where he talked about having things like silk pillows or peach wine at his house not because he wanted them but because women liked them and he was trying to attract women. He said if he wanted to attract little boys he’d fill his house with video games, animals... and maybe put up an amusement park. It was a funny bit but he had a good point. I don’t know what Jackson’s deal was but it looked creepy to me. The two women he supposedly had relations with were most likely paid off. No other woman has ever come forward claiming to have been with him. I can still remember the hush that fell over the crowd when Brooke Shields took the stage at his memorial service. She started to cry and you could sense the crowd feeling vindicated because here was a woman Jackson dated crying for him. Then she let everyone know they were only friends. That nothing ever happened between them. The crowd fell silent. Brooke Shields is a beautiful woman and was extremely attractive back then. Guess he wasn’t interested, even though it appeared they were “dating.” All those weird public relations moves with Lisa Marie were creepy too. Definitely felt like a financial arrangement. I don’t think she’s looking for work now so whatever. Creepy. This is what I think. Mike wouldn't risk touching Feldman or Culkin, because they had money, it would be a huge story if they said something, and the parents would rather saw his dick off than take a huge settlement. Whereas some fan from the middle of nowhere would be easily manipulated, and the parents would take millions of dollars in hush money. I don't know, Mike was insanely talented, and was an icon. But he was a really weird guy, who put himself in some really bad situations. Sharing a bed with kids is just...no...no, Mike...not cool. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 7, 2019 20:46:28 GMT -5
WSJ reporting the Simpsons have decided to pulll Stark Raving Dad from all platforms.
This was the episode Jackson starred in.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Mar 7, 2019 20:47:24 GMT -5
WSJ reporting the Simpsons have decided to pulll Stark Raving Dad from all platforms. This was the episode Jackson starred in. Wow. That’s clearly a really popular episode too. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 7, 2019 20:50:34 GMT -5
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Post by wildojinx on Mar 7, 2019 20:58:26 GMT -5
Wonder how this affects the DVDs. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 7, 2019 20:59:55 GMT -5
Wonder how this affects the DVDs. Well I’m guessing they are out of print, so not at all is likely. |
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Mar 7, 2019 21:09:38 GMT -5
Lots of falsified information getting repeated out there that understandably makes it easier to sympathize with Jackson if you weren't aware of this stuff. 1) They did not find illegal child porn Jackson's home. What they did find was "artistic" books of nude children, specifically boys, made by people from NAMBLA. There's an old clip going around from a television interview, and the newscaster lady holds up the book using her finger to censor the kid's penis - it's a 12-13 yo boy spreading his legs on a chair. I've heard there are kids with erections and shit in some of these books, but I gotta be honest I'd rather not look for it to confirm. 2) They found a nude photograph of one of the boys that was sleeping in bed with Michael, Jonathan Spence. How on Earth this didn't get more traction I'll never know. HE HAD A NUDE PICTURE OF A BOY HE WAS WITH. Want to read the court document? Here it is: www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/011805pltreqaseemd.pdfOther stuff: 1) The FBI did not investigate him for 10 years. They helped local law enforcement with things but they were never actually as heavily involved as often said. 2) There's an interview that hardly made rounds with a man named Terry George who was just a teen when he interviewed later days Jackson 5-era Michael (he was around 20). He talked about how he went to his hotel room and everything was fine, Michael was polite, and they exchanged numbers. After a few normal phone convos, Michael told him he was masturbating on the phone, had him listen, and I guess Terry's reaction discouraged Michael into talking about it again, so they began to lose contact shortly after that. www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXuighay_r83) Who knows if it happened to Culkin or not, but in that Larry King inteview, when Larry talked about sleeping in his bedroom, Culkin did whatever he could to dodge the actuality of the situation and instead kept bringing up how big Michael's bedroom is (which, by the way has an entire alarm system for anyone approaching). Yeah, his room was huge and had different levels, but we know Culkin straight up slept in bed with him as per Michael's confession himself. Culkin acted like the room was so big that he just crashed on the couch like it was no big deal. There's a lot more than that, not including the maids and other people noticing things that were inappropriate. You 100% cannot believe everyone, some people are out for money or to promote stuff, but they did not find "nothing" at Jackson's home. They found the above erotic boy books and all kinds of grooming stuff that you should never have in a place where you have kids at. Michael's eccentric and odd, but he's not an idiot. He very clearly had an attraction to boys. The question is whether or not he touched them....which while I wish wasn't true, I really don't doubt it anymore. The dude straight up groomed people's parents and bought them off so he could be alone with their kids. He was obsessed with boys and dumped them when they got too old. He wrote them love letters. Any way you slice it, he was inappropriate with kids, and if he was some shlub down the street with little boy erotica, extreme BDSM porn, and a NUDE PHOTOGRAPH OF A BOY HE SLEPT WITH in his bedroom where all the kids come hang out, nobody would ever doubt it. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 8, 2019 1:57:06 GMT -5
Lots of falsified information getting repeated out there that understandably makes it easier to sympathize with Jackson if you weren't aware of this stuff. 1) They did not find illegal child porn Jackson's home. What they did find was "artistic" books of nude children, specifically boys, made by people from NAMBLA. There's an old clip going around from a television interview, and the newscaster lady holds up the book using her finger to censor the kid's penis - it's a 12-13 yo boy spreading his legs on a chair. I've heard there are kids with erections and shit in some of these books, but I gotta be honest I'd rather not look for it to confirm. 2) They found a nude photograph of one of the boys that was sleeping in bed with Michael, Jonathan Spence. How on Earth this didn't get more traction I'll never know. HE HAD A NUDE PICTURE OF A BOY HE WAS WITH. Want to read the court document? Here it is: www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/011805pltreqaseemd.pdfOther stuff: 1) The FBI did not investigate him for 10 years. They helped local law enforcement with things but they were never actually as heavily involved as often said. 2) There's an interview that hardly made rounds with a man named Terry George who was just a teen when he interviewed later days Jackson 5-era Michael (he was around 20). He talked about how he went to his hotel room and everything was fine, Michael was polite, and they exchanged numbers. After a few normal phone convos, Michael told him he was masturbating on the phone, had him listen, and I guess Terry's reaction discouraged Michael into talking about it again, so they began to lose contact shortly after that. www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXuighay_r83) Who knows if it happened to Culkin or not, but in that Larry King inteview, when Larry talked about sleeping in his bedroom, Culkin did whatever he could to dodge the actuality of the situation and instead kept bringing up how big Michael's bedroom is (which, by the way has an entire alarm system for anyone approaching). Yeah, his room was huge and had different levels, but we know Culkin straight up slept in bed with him as per Michael's confession himself. Culkin acted like the room was so big that he just crashed on the couch like it was no big deal. There's a lot more than that, not including the maids and other people noticing things that were inappropriate. You 100% cannot believe everyone, some people are out for money or to promote stuff, but they did not find "nothing" at Jackson's home. They found the above erotic boy books and all kinds of grooming stuff that you should never have in a place where you have kids at. Michael's eccentric and odd, but he's not an idiot. He very clearly had an attraction to boys. The question is whether or not he touched them....which while I wish wasn't true, I really don't doubt it anymore. The dude straight up groomed people's parents and bought them off so he could be alone with their kids. He was obsessed with boys and dumped them when they got too old. He wrote them love letters. Any way you slice it, he was inappropriate with kids, and if he was some shlub down the street with little boy erotica, extreme BDSM porn, and a NUDE PHOTOGRAPH OF A BOY HE SLEPT WITH in his bedroom where all the kids come hang out, nobody would ever doubt it. 1) I take it you intentionally ignored the proof I provided with the FBI investigating him without his knowledge? I'll let that slide. 2) The book you're talking about is what Nancy Grace showcased during his trial. In the book there's an inscription written by Michael stating "This is the definition of childhood. Freedom and carefree. This is what I've lost and yearn for." What I provided is paraphrasing of course. However, Elton John actually came to Michael's defense about the book and it's actually considered art not child pornography. The raid on Michael's Neverland provided that he had a lot of playboys, hustlers, and other heterosexual pornography indicating Michael had a healthy attraction to women. 3) If the picture you're talking about is true and Tom Sneddon(who had a clear vendetta against Michael) didn't show the picture in court, then obviously it wasn't as sinister as you're making it out to be. 4) Not buying Terry George's story either. That's information that could've been provided in 93 and in the 05 accusations. 5) Culkin flat stated that they slept wherever they got tired. They slept in the movie theatre, in the arcade room, in Michael's duplex bedroom, and sometimes in other sleeping quarters. Michael's bedroom was two stories. Nothing sinister about it. You how many times I've slept in the same room with friends and adults while having sleepovers? Many times. Nothing weird about it at all if you know and trust the person. They didn't find erotic boy books at all. Now you're flat out making stuff up. Once again, they found HETEROSEXUAL PORNOGRAPHY. Playboys and Hustler magazines is HETEROSEXUAL PORN and completely LEGAL to own. He didn't write "love letters' to them either. Why are you lying about stuff that's easily verifiable? You do realize the maids and security guards who noticed "inappropriate things" also got caught selling their stories to tabloids and wanted financial settlements from Michael right? |
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Post by Perfect Timing on Mar 8, 2019 1:57:42 GMT -5
It's messed up but the new doc does make me think about the potential of this being true. One part of the doc explained he was in a tug of war with one of the parents so that he could spend one year with their kid with is really weird. If it wasn't for his charisma nobody would doubt the man ever we just assume he had such a rough childhood he wouldn't want to abuse a child himself.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 8, 2019 2:10:50 GMT -5
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 8, 2019 2:15:12 GMT -5
What pedophile would write a song like this anyways?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 8, 2019 2:16:32 GMT -5
The Lisa Marie marriage was so obviously a calculated business move by one or both parties they might as well have had a TPS report cover sheet about it. You do realize it was reported that they had an off and on relationship right? After they divorced Lisa Marie would show up at his shows and according to many close sources they were still sexually active. So it wasn't a business move in actuality. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 8, 2019 2:17:54 GMT -5
That Beatles move was smart business. I’ll always give him credit for that. Well of course it was. Telling Paul McCartney how smart it was and then outbidding him was the kind of shitheel move. Paul didn't even want to buy his own songs. Michael actually pulled out of the bidding originally due to how long it was taking and Paul still didn't purchase the songs. It was a business move and Paul lost, can't be mad at Michael for having better business sense. |
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