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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 24, 2019 13:38:50 GMT -5
I've been formulating a reply about CM Punk for a while but I honestly think Braun Strowman is it for me. Punk is still a major star, respected and popular and he achieved almost everything possible, he just should have been at higher heights. The destruction of Braun from what he was and could have been to what he is now makes me genuinely sad. And I don't think they'll ever get that potential back.
Samoa Joe and Rusev are up there, too.
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Post by Macho Pichu on Mar 24, 2019 13:56:26 GMT -5
Bray Wyatt. He's a great character with a talented performer behind it, but his booking has soured so many people on him. I often choose to enjoy the spooky bullshit, but I understand that it doesn't work for some of you. That Mania match with Orton can f*** right off, though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 14:50:20 GMT -5
Booker.T going into his WM19 match with Triple-H and the actual match/outcome. Yep. Nothing beats racism.
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Post by tenshi on Mar 24, 2019 15:00:31 GMT -5
The Becky/Ronda match (featuring Charlotte) should've been the culminaton in Becky's climb to the top of the mountain, overcoming the constant thorn in her side and defeating one of the strongest wredtlers in the roster. What we have instead is Becky owning and undermining her opposition, spending more time dunking on people in Twitter than selling her opponents as a threat. That along with Ronda breaking the space/kayfabe continuum and Charlotte shining through by being in the background makes this feud underwhelming for me. To me, there's no sense of accomplishment here, just a feeling of procedure until Becky wins the title.
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Post by 4real on Mar 24, 2019 15:11:08 GMT -5
I've been formulating a reply about CM Punk for a while but I honestly think Braun Strowman is it for me. Punk is still a major star, respected and popular and he achieved almost everything possible, he just should have been at higher heights. The destruction of Braun from what he was and could have been to what he is now makes me genuinely sad. And I don't think they'll ever get that potential back. Samoa Joe and Rusev are up there, too. Might be my pick. I love Strowman and the fact he still hasn’t been Universal Champion or even WWE Champion boggles my mind. I know he had heat at one point with the office but it must be his work rate surely. WWE don’t see him giving them PPV main event quality matches. I’d like to see him go the Smackdown after Mania and become the WWE Champion and get a decent reign.
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Post by RI Richmark on Mar 24, 2019 16:56:45 GMT -5
To me the answer is Roman Reigns. I know the guy has been pushed like no other for the last half decade but the way he's been pushed has been so, so wrong.
First he's was pushed too early. They clearly identified Roman as their next top guy when The Shield broke up but the goal should have been to build him up slowly and get him ready to acend to the top by WrestleMania 32. Instead they tried to push him for WrestleMania 31, bypassing more deserving wrestlers in the process and that's when the backlash began.
And then they pushed him wrong. Had they took their time with their push maybe they would have realized that Roman works best when he's a silent, intense badass. A man who only spoke when he had something to say. The template for Roman was someone like Goldberg or Batista. Instead they tried to turn him into a jokey promo guy like John Cena and The Rock and he was clearly not comfortable doing that. It didn't help that he was given cringe worthy materal like "Sufferin' Succotash" and "Roman and the Beanstalk". He's clearly gotten better on the mike since then but these horrible promos still huant him. It also didn't help that unlike his brothers Seth and Dean he was never allowed to evolve his character. He had to keep the same look, music and entrance from his Shield days instead of becoming his own man.
And don't get me started on his fued with Brock which has made him look like an idiot again and again.
Still I remained a fan of his long after most other fans turned on him. I still held out hope that he could be successful as a babyface. That ended shortly before WrestleMania 32 when Triple H beat the holy hell out of him and the fans cheered. At that point I realized, and the WWE should have realized, that this just isn't working. Even though I felt Roman was taking flak for a lot of things that wasn't his fault it was time to turn him heel.
And who knows maybe he could be an amazing heel. And maybe that would allow some personality to shine through that he could carry through a later face turn. But we never got the chance to find out. I thought for sure that he would turn after he "retired" the Undertaker and the Raw crowd wanted to kill him. Roman looked like he was loving the reaction but soon enough he was back to being the babyface everyone hates. He showed flashes of heel behavior during his fueds with Cena and Lashley but they went nowhere. Vince simply will not turn the man heel.
Right now Roman's getting cherrs and rightly so. And it would be ridiculous to turn the man now after he's recovered from cancer. But what will happen the next time Roman gets pushed into the main event? Will the fans turn on him again? And how would the WWE respond? Given the way they handled him so far I'd hate to find out.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 24, 2019 17:07:02 GMT -5
To me the answer is Roman Reigns. I know the guy has been pushed like no other for the last half decade but the way he's been pushed has been so, so wrong. First he's was pushed too early. They clearly identified Roman as their next top guy when The Shield broke up but the goal should have been to build him up slowly and get him ready to acend to the top by WrestleMania 32. Instead they tried to push him for WrestleMania 31, bypassing more deserving wrestlers in the process and that's when the backlash began. And then they pushed him wrong. Had they took their time with their push maybe they would have realized that Roman works best when he's a silent, intense badass. A man who only spoke when he had something to say. The template for Roman was someone like Goldberg or Batista. Instead they tried to turn him into a jokey promo guy like John Cena and The Rock and he was clearly not comfortable doing that. It didn't help that he was given cringe worthy materal like "Sufferin' Succotash" and "Roman and the Beanstalk". He's clearly gotten better on the mike since then but these horrible promos still huant him. It also didn't help that unlike his brothers Seth and Dean he was never allowed to evolve his character. He had to keep the same look, music and entrance from his Shield days instead of becoming his own man. And don't get me started on his fued with Brock which has made him look like an idiot again and again. Still I remained a fan of his long after most other fans turned on him. I still held out hope that he could be successful as a babyface. That ended shortly before WrestleMania 32 when Triple H beat the holy hell out of him and the fans cheered. At that point I realized, and the WWE should have realized, that this just isn't working. Even though I felt Roman was taking flak for a lot of things that wasn't his fault it was time to turn him heel. And who knows maybe he could be an amazing heel. And maybe that would allow some personality to shine through that he could carry through a later face turn. But we never got the chance to find out. I thought for sure that he would turn after he "retired" the Undertaker and the Raw crowd wanted to kill him. Roman looked like he was loving the reaction but soon enough he was back to being the babyface everyone hates. He showed flashes of heel behavior during his fueds with Cena and Lashley but they went nowhere. Vince simply will not turn the man heel. Right now Roman's getting cherrs and rightly so. And it would be ridiculous to turn the man now after he's recovered from cancer. But what will happen the next time Roman gets pushed into the main event? Will the fans turn on him again? And how would the WWE respond? Given the way they handled him so far I'd hate to find out. I agree with this, it does help Roman now that he being more himself instead of a guy you can clearly tell is being force feed lines. The key having success is being something that you believe in and something that was natural. They need to re-watch just how The Rock and Austin took off. What got Cena over in the first place. I agree his look should have changed when the shield broke up. He needs his own look and music that separates him from the shield. I feel that Roman hate will return in a year from now if pushed the same way. They need to be careful. I like the guy and most fans will say he a likable guy outside the ring, the hate is how he shoved down our throats and had this superman label. Fans want something different than another guy booked like prime Cena.
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Post by realist on Mar 25, 2019 8:33:48 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this one yet, but Christian in 2005. He was ready to go to the next level and had the fans behind him. However, the powers that be just didn't see him at that level, which led to him leaving for TNA.
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Post by chronocross on Mar 25, 2019 8:41:03 GMT -5
Booker.T going into his WM19 match with Triple-H and the actual match/outcome. Yep. Nothing beats racism. And also the commentary by Lawler during the match, he's just going on and on with the jokes about Booker's past and JR is trying to play it straight and getting frustrated to where he yells at King to talk about the match in the ring.
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Mar 25, 2019 8:59:36 GMT -5
There's obviously myriad examples. But I think Braun might be the worst. Unlike Punk, Brian, etc., etc. Braun not only had pretty widespread support of the hardcore internet fanbase, but ticked all the boxes for someone who typically get's a big push in WWE: - Homegrown - Charismatic - Built like a truck
It should have worked. It was that rare Venn diagram where what most people want overlapped largely with what WWE want.
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Mar 25, 2019 9:05:23 GMT -5
To me the answer is Roman Reigns. I know the guy has been pushed like no other for the last half decade but the way he's been pushed has been so, so wrong. First he's was pushed too early. They clearly identified Roman as their next top guy when The Shield broke up but the goal should have been to build him up slowly and get him ready to acend to the top by WrestleMania 32. Instead they tried to push him for WrestleMania 31, bypassing more deserving wrestlers in the process and that's when the backlash began. And then they pushed him wrong. Had they took their time with their push maybe they would have realized that Roman works best when he's a silent, intense badass. A man who only spoke when he had something to say. The template for Roman was someone like Goldberg or Batista. Instead they tried to turn him into a jokey promo guy like John Cena and The Rock and he was clearly not comfortable doing that. It didn't help that he was given cringe worthy materal like "Sufferin' Succotash" and "Roman and the Beanstalk". He's clearly gotten better on the mike since then but these horrible promos still huant him. It also didn't help that unlike his brothers Seth and Dean he was never allowed to evolve his character. He had to keep the same look, music and entrance from his Shield days instead of becoming his own man. And don't get me started on his fued with Brock which has made him look like an idiot again and again. Still I remained a fan of his long after most other fans turned on him. I still held out hope that he could be successful as a babyface. That ended shortly before WrestleMania 32 when Triple H beat the holy hell out of him and the fans cheered. At that point I realized, and the WWE should have realized, that this just isn't working. Even though I felt Roman was taking flak for a lot of things that wasn't his fault it was time to turn him heel. And who knows maybe he could be an amazing heel. And maybe that would allow some personality to shine through that he could carry through a later face turn. But we never got the chance to find out. I thought for sure that he would turn after he "retired" the Undertaker and the Raw crowd wanted to kill him. Roman looked like he was loving the reaction but soon enough he was back to being the babyface everyone hates. He showed flashes of heel behavior during his fueds with Cena and Lashley but they went nowhere. Vince simply will not turn the man heel. Right now Roman's getting cherrs and rightly so. And it would be ridiculous to turn the man now after he's recovered from cancer. But what will happen the next time Roman gets pushed into the main event? Will the fans turn on him again? And how would the WWE respond? Given the way they handled him so far I'd hate to find out. Good example. Even if/when you wanted to like Roman, WWE made it so, so difficult.
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Post by Aceorton on Mar 25, 2019 11:09:13 GMT -5
Tazz in 2000 or DDP in 2001. Each was a mega-over star and could have hit the ground running as a main eventer. Just asinine booking.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 11:47:00 GMT -5
Off the top of my head:
Bret Hart in WCW Vader in WWE
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Post by 67 more on Mar 25, 2019 12:50:22 GMT -5
Ziggler after SurSer 2014. Sole survivor of his team, deposed the Authority (yes, Sting helped by getting rid of HHH but Sting never touched a participant of the actual match) from a 3-1 disadvantage, got a massive pop for winning.
Then it was confirmed it was meant to be Roman in this spot and we immediately go back to pushing Roman. Ziggler is immediately remade a bitch by the reinstated Authority and his credibility never recovers.
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Post by SparkyPlugg on Mar 25, 2019 17:12:59 GMT -5
Nakamura by a county mile. It’s genuinely baffling.
Also I’m a fan of Tyler Breeze, i’m really disappointed he’s not a midcard star/champ.
The Revival have had a shocking time on the main roster also.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Mar 25, 2019 21:26:10 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this one yet, but Christian in 2005. He was ready to go to the next level and had the fans behind him. However, the powers that be just didn't see him at that level, which led to him leaving for TNA. I came in here to mention this one. With Batista coming to Raw, one belt needed to go back to Smackdown. Cena wouldn’t have even have to lose the Triple Threat. My boy Captain Charisma pins Jericho and goes off to Smackdown to be that dude. But no...no this is the beginning of Vince killing my interest in being a full time fan. Then there’s Nexus. Wade Barrett was the only damn man on the roster that could make the crowd almost unanimously behind John Cena. No one else had that spark with Cena. So of course I pay for Survivor Series tickets to witness a bullshit match that was one of the final nails in Nexus’ coffin. That Cena vs Concussed Miz with Rock Shenanigans at Mania was so worth not seeing Cena beat the ever living hell out of Wade. And Sting. Sting, Sting, Sting. I know it was his own decision to put someone over, but not f***ing Triple H. Trips winning plus the handshake caused me to flat out tune out all together until Goldberg came back. All the buildup just to continue with the Authority bullshit and to build up a Rock/Ronda vs Authority match that never happened...get the f*** outta here.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 25, 2019 21:36:32 GMT -5
Ziggler as a whole for me.There is so many choices from him alone.
Also Tyler,because damnit GIVE THIS MAN A PUSH, ANY PUSH.HE IS REALLY GOOD!
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Post by schma on Mar 26, 2019 0:01:52 GMT -5
A more recent booking disappointment was us finally getting Bryan vs Miz and then they added Brie and Maryse to the mix and everything just kinda fizzled out.
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Post by Yacht Persona on Mar 26, 2019 0:20:59 GMT -5
The real challenge is finding talent they've booked correctly.
But the answer for me is any situation that somehow has HHH interjecting himself. He's the ultimate local man.
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Post by Doctor No on Mar 26, 2019 1:33:32 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this one yet, but Christian in 2005. He was ready to go to the next level and had the fans behind him. However, the powers that be just didn't see him at that level, which led to him leaving for TNA. This is what came to my mind. He was looking ready to breakout, showing he could promo with top guys(Rock, Austin, Cena, Jericho), obviously skilled in the ring and was getting over with the people big. Then they just wasted it.. I’d also throw in Ambrose’s return from injury last year and where they took that and the odd “Kliq-ified” direction they took the Summer of Punk in.
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