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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 9, 2020 19:45:11 GMT -5
Here's Mookie Betts' WAR rankings since he broke into the bigs in 2015: 19, 2, 13, 1, 12. He's been inarguably one of the very best players in the game year-in and year-out. The Red Sox are going to rue this day for a long time, trust me. You draft players in the hope that they're going to grow to become Mookie Betts. You trade prospects for established talent like Mookie Betts. You shell out huge money for a player like Mookie Betts. What you definitely don't do is trade someone like Mookie Betts for about eight cents on the dollar. As much as I love Mookie he's not worth that type of money. He didn't want to be there, I really don't see how that is hard to understand. Red Sox did what was best for them and fans should be fine with that. He had great years, helped win a ring but he was trying to break the bank and Red Sox would have been paying for his twilight years when they already have gotten the first portion of his prime He's no doubt going to be great for the next 5 years or so but we are talking about a guy wanting what seems to be a 12 year deal. Mookie is worth $400 is Boston maybe but that price is going to be heavy elsewhere. He is a baseball name, and he needs a team around him to justify that price. At least with Machado and Harper, I can justify paying them their dollars because they will sell tickets anywhere
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Post by AwamoriRock on Feb 9, 2020 20:13:53 GMT -5
Rosenthal says the Dodgers/Angels trade is now off.
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Post by sfvega on Feb 9, 2020 20:33:12 GMT -5
As hilarious as it is for the Sox to cry poor, it is almost equally as hilarious to see their fanbase act like they're the Rays or A's because they couldn't retain one guy who asked for 400 mil. He deserves $400 million and if we're being totally honest, $400 million for a player of his caliber is a bargain. He's the second-best player in the game right now and arguably the best player the Red Sox have had in about 60 years. And also, according to Fangraphs (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/what-alex-rodriguezs-contract-would-look-like-today/), adjusting for inflation, if Alex Rodriguez's 2001 $252 million contract existed today, he would have been paid something in the neighborhood of $59.5 million annually. Baseball realistically should have had several $40 million and at least one $50 million contract by now, and by every metric, Betts would be worth every penny of a $400 million contract. A-Rod is a giant outlier though. Played a more premium position, had just turned 25 as opposed to Betts FA year him being 28, had prodigious power, had a marquee name, went to a market that needed more flash, to an owner who was out to make a statement (that also backfired.) Mookie would work out for half of the life of that contract and then he'd be V-Mart or Cabrera and you'd complain about him, the same way Cards fans talk about what a bullet we missed on signing Pujols. The Sox can keep the rest of their team together by not completely hamstringing themselves rn. It isn't all or nothing; we re-sign Mookie and everything is sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows for the life of the contract or this sets you guys back to being an Orioles-level team for the next 8 years who can't re-sign anyone noteworthy. It's 100x more likely that you re-sign Devers IF you let Mookie walk and don't pay him 400 mil. As much as I would LOVE for the sky to be falling in Boston, it is certainly not.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 9, 2020 22:10:57 GMT -5
As hilarious as it is for the Sox to cry poor, it is almost equally as hilarious to see their fanbase act like they're the Rays or A's because they couldn't retain one guy who asked for 400 mil. He deserves $400 million and if we're being totally honest, $400 million for a player of his caliber is a bargain. He's the second-best player in the game right now and arguably the best player the Red Sox have had in about 60 years. And also, according to Fangraphs (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/what-alex-rodriguezs-contract-would-look-like-today/), adjusting for inflation, if Alex Rodriguez's 2001 $252 million contract existed today, he would have been paid something in the neighborhood of $59.5 million annually. Baseball realistically should have had several $40 million and at least one $50 million contract by now, and by every metric, Betts would be worth every penny of a $400 million contract. Awesome he's also 5'8" and those guys seldom hold up into their mid 30s. Im guessing of Mookie was costing the Sox $40M a year until he's 38 years old with 4+ years of dead money you'd be OK with it because he deserved it? Because the Sox arent contending this season, and probably not the next so now you have a smallish guy in his 30's eating up $40M per for another 4-6 years. You need to resign Devers. So suppose he's on the same track as he has been early in his career.. another $40M? The Sox cleaned out their farm system to get to a world series, it worked and they won. Now you need to restructure. They'll be a top 5 spending team more years than not going forward. They won't be cheap.
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Post by Sam Punk on Feb 10, 2020 1:37:50 GMT -5
Red Sox did reasonably well here. A MLB ready outfielder under control for five seasons and a top 50 prospect that will soon be a Pedroia replacement. Then they dump Price's contract before he gets 10/5 rights and reset the luxury tax number. Bloom made the best of a difficult situation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 9:16:06 GMT -5
Pitchers and catchers report to spring training today.
To me, that's my unofficial cue that winter is over. And time for a new thread.
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Post by BRV on Feb 10, 2020 11:52:42 GMT -5
As much as I love Mookie he's not worth that type of money. He didn't want to be there, I really don't see how that is hard to understand. There is zero evidence that Mookie Betts didn't want to be in Boston. The only report that has even hinted at that was from a Boston sports radio jackal, one with no history of breaking news, that Betts turned down a 10-year, $300 million offer and was demanding more than $400 million. Somehow that's been spun as truth despite every other report being to the contrary. Red Sox did what was best for them and fans should be fine with that. He had great years, helped win a ring but he was trying to break the bank and Red Sox would have been paying for his twilight years when they already have gotten the first portion of his prime Why on earth should Red Sox fans be fine with that? We fans are shelling out some of the highest ticket prices in baseball. Why should we spend an average of $94 per ticket if the objective is to just be a farm system for the franchises willing to spend money? Red Sox management just looked at the best player the franchise has had in 60 years and said, "He's not worth it." So who is? Who ever will be? If Alex Verdugo and Jeter Downs turn out to be great players, should we just enjoy them until the final year of their contract and accept the inevitability of them being traded? There wouldn't have been a Red Sox fan around seething over Mookie Betts signing for 10 years and $400 million. Yeah, you'd be paying $40 million to a guy in his late-30s, but what's the price you put on that kind of homegrown talent? Were Yankees fans raging over the end of Derek Jeter's contract hamstringing the organization? Were Giants fans calling on Barry Bonds to be dealt because he was preventing them from signing a couple of mid-tier starting pitchers? The worst part of all of this is that Red Sox management just cleared millions of dollars and they're inevitably going to do one of two things: not spend it (which is unforgivable) or spend it stupidly on a couple of early-30s free agents who aren't the caliber of Mookie Betts. So instead of Mookie Betts at $40 million, is it really better to get George Springer and Trevor Bauer at something like a combined $35 million?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 10, 2020 12:50:10 GMT -5
As much as I love Mookie he's not worth that type of money. He didn't want to be there, I really don't see how that is hard to understand. There is zero evidence that Mookie Betts didn't want to be in Boston. The only report that has even hinted at that was from a Boston sports radio jackal, one with no history of breaking news, that Betts turned down a 10-year, $300 million offer and was demanding more than $400 million. Somehow that's been spun as truth despite every other report being to the contrary. Red Sox did what was best for them and fans should be fine with that. He had great years, helped win a ring but he was trying to break the bank and Red Sox would have been paying for his twilight years when they already have gotten the first portion of his prime Why on earth should Red Sox fans be fine with that? We fans are shelling out some of the highest ticket prices in baseball. Why should we spend an average of $94 per ticket if the objective is to just be a farm system for the franchises willing to spend money? Red Sox management just looked at the best player the franchise has had in 60 years and said, "He's not worth it." So who is? Who ever will be? If Alex Verdugo and Jeter Downs turn out to be great players, should we just enjoy them until the final year of their contract and accept the inevitability of them being traded? There wouldn't have been a Red Sox fan around seething over Mookie Betts signing for 10 years and $400 million. Yeah, you'd be paying $40 million to a guy in his late-30s, but what's the price you put on that kind of homegrown talent? Were Yankees fans raging over the end of Derek Jeter's contract hamstringing the organization? Were Giants fans calling on Barry Bonds to be dealt because he was preventing them from signing a couple of mid-tier starting pitchers? The worst part of all of this is that Red Sox management just cleared millions of dollars and they're inevitably going to do one of two things: not spend it (which is unforgivable) or spend it stupidly on a couple of early-30s free agents who aren't the caliber of Mookie Betts. So instead of Mookie Betts at $40 million, is it really better to get George Springer and Trevor Bauer at something like a combined $35 million? If Mookie wanted to be there he'd work it out, that's what leaders do. He's said openly he wants to test free agency and Red Sox would be stupid to just sit on their hands and know they have the chance to potentially lose this player for nothing. He wants the bag, which is fine but I don't see him being worth $400 million Yes, Yankee fans were mad about Jeter contract at the end. He was wanting to be $25 mill a year and threatening to leave unless he got it. One player is not worth the team which is what Red Sox would be betting on. It would be absolutely idiotic to pay this man $400 million when you are slashing payroll everywhere else. JD is going to be gone soon enough. I just don't feel like the Red Sox lost a player of a lifetime. They lost a really good player who can maybe go to the HOF if he puts up another 10 years worth of numbers he put up the last two years. He's not Jeter nor Bonds Like you really taking it to the next level with this pessimistic BS. F*** outta here with that should we enjoy Downs and Verdugo until they hit FA. THIS ISN'T THE RAYS!!!! Red Sox spend money and I don't see it being such an unbearable task that they aren't wiling to give out the 2nd Biggest Contract in MLB History. As I said I don't feel sorry for the Red Sox one but but the common sense in me has to argue on their behalf because $400 mill was going to f*** them over. A team that has no farm, trading assets to slash payroll and then going to give a guy $400 mill is a major recipe for disaster
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Post by sfvega on Feb 10, 2020 12:53:13 GMT -5
Why on earth should Red Sox fans be fine with that? We fans are shelling out some of the highest ticket prices in baseball. Why should we spend an average of $94 per ticket if the objective is to just be a farm system for the franchises willing to spend money? Red Sox management just looked at the best player the franchise has had in 60 years and said, "He's not worth it." So who is? Who ever will be? If Alex Verdugo and Jeter Downs turn out to be great players, should we just enjoy them until the final year of their contract and accept the inevitability of them being traded?This is the biggest load of BS and you know it. Stop painting yourselves as the Rays just because you lost one guy. It comes off as pouting. I get that you're gonna be peeved that your team lost a very valuable piece, but this level of hyperbole is eyeroll-worthy. You're three steps off the ledge away from saying "Will we even have enough money to field a team in a few years? Are they gonna sell the Sox to Montreal??" Devers is highly unlikely to ask for 400 mil, so you're not going to see a comparable decision to be made anytime soon. Stop extrapolating this decision to not pay 400 mil to you guys never re-signing another good player. There wouldn't have been a Red Sox fan around seething over Mookie Betts signing for 10 years and $400 million. Yeah, not when he signs. That's not how bad super contracts go. It's never an instant regret. Yeah, you'd be paying $40 million to a guy in his late-30s, but what's the price you put on that kind of homegrown talent? Were Yankees fans raging over the end of Derek Jeter's contract hamstringing the organization? Were Giants fans calling on Barry Bonds to be dealt because he was preventing them from signing a couple of mid-tier starting pitchers? First of all, Jeter wasn't making that much at the end of his career. Bonds signed for 5/90, so that also wasn't a backbreaking contract whatsoever. You conveniently step over the Pujols contract, the Martinez contract, the Cabrera contract to make these comps. A-Rod's deal didn't work out either and he ended up getting traded for lesser pieces. Same with Stanton. These contracts almost never work out. I don't think anyone would be surprised to see the Bryce contract work out poorly in the 2nd half as well. You talk about it like that's later's problem as if it's never gonna come or that 5/200 for a player that will be on the decline is easy to eat.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 10, 2020 13:08:46 GMT -5
Yeah, you'd be paying $40 million to a guy in his late-30s, but what's the price you put on that kind of homegrown talent? Were Yankees fans raging over the end of Derek Jeter's contract hamstringing the organization? Were Giants fans calling on Barry Bonds to be dealt because he was preventing them from signing a couple of mid-tier starting pitchers? First of all, Jeter wasn't making that much at the end of his career. Bonds signed for 5/90, so that also wasn't a backbreaking contract whatsoever. You conveniently step over the Pujols contract, the Martinez contract, the Cabrera contract to make these comps. A-Rod's deal didn't work out either and he ended up getting traded for lesser pieces. Same with Stanton. These contracts almost never work out. I don't think anyone would be surprised to see the Bryce contract work out poorly in the 2nd half as well. You talk about it like that's later's problem as if it's never gonna come or that 5/200 for a player that will be on the decline is easy to eat. Thus far the long term contracts that worked in MLB, you can count on one hand A-Rod ended up being worth his 10 years but just not for the Rangers. Jeter 10 year deal worked. Scherzer signed a long term for a pitcher and ended up being worth it Stanton contract looking like a sunk const, Pujols wasn't worth it, Miggy fell off, Cano is done, Votto was 50/50 and the jury is still open to Machado and Harper. There is a reason teams are willing to do more money instead of years because those back years absolutely kill you. So yeah, no one is going to complain when the deal is signed because it is all rainbows and sunshine but 5 years down the line when that player is in the last of their physical prime, you have to really think about the future and $40 mill is not cheap and damn sure not going to be moveable after a certain age
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Post by BRV on Feb 10, 2020 13:49:16 GMT -5
If Mookie wanted to be there he'd work it out, that's what leaders do. He's said openly he wants to test free agency and Red Sox would be stupid to just sit on their hands and know they have the chance to potentially lose this player for nothing. He wants the bag, which is fine but I don't see him being worth $400 million Him wanting to explore free agency does not equate to him not wanting to be in Boston or not wanting to be a leader. He's been woefully underpaid during his big-league career, so he deserved the right to go out into the open market and explore what his value is. But that also doesn't mean the Red Sox were absolutely forced to trade him away for pennies on the dollar. Washington held on to Anthony Rendon through 2019 even though there were overtures that he would hit free agency and potentially find a new home. I'd say 2019 worked out for them. And that's a year after they "sat on their hands" as Bryce Harper signed elsewhere, getting nothing in return. Yes, Yankee fans were mad about Jeter contract at the end. He was wanting to be $25 mill a year and threatening to leave unless he got it. One player is not worth the team which is what Red Sox would be betting on. It would be absolutely idiotic to pay this man $400 million when you are slashing payroll everywhere else. JD is going to be gone soon enough. I just don't feel like the Red Sox lost a player of a lifetime. They lost a really good player who can maybe go to the HOF if he puts up another 10 years worth of numbers he put up the last two years. He's not Jeter nor Bonds The Red Sox weren't going to give the car keys to Mookie Betts, they were going to give him a contract in line with what he deserves, and in 2020, a player of his caliber is worth high $30 million or low $40 million. This is a once-in-a-generation talent the Red Sox had, like the Angels with Mike Trout, and the Angels saw the value and importance of keeping Trout locked up for his career. Boston totally gave up before even giving themselves a fighting chance.
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Post by sfvega on Feb 10, 2020 14:01:33 GMT -5
First of all, Jeter wasn't making that much at the end of his career. Bonds signed for 5/90, so that also wasn't a backbreaking contract whatsoever. You conveniently step over the Pujols contract, the Martinez contract, the Cabrera contract to make these comps. A-Rod's deal didn't work out either and he ended up getting traded for lesser pieces. Same with Stanton. These contracts almost never work out. I don't think anyone would be surprised to see the Bryce contract work out poorly in the 2nd half as well. You talk about it like that's later's problem as if it's never gonna come or that 5/200 for a player that will be on the decline is easy to eat. Thus far the long term contracts that worked in MLB, you can count on one hand A-Rod ended up being worth his 10 years but just not for the Rangers. Jeter 10 year deal worked. Scherzer signed a long term for a pitcher and ended up being worth it Stanton contract looking like a sunk const, Pujols wasn't worth it, Miggy fell off, Cano is done, Votto was 50/50 and the jury is still open to Machado and Harper. There is a reason teams are willing to do more money instead of years because those back years absolutely kill you. So yeah, no one is going to complain when the deal is signed because it is all rainbows and sunshine but 5 years down the line when that player is in the last of their physical prime, you have to really think about the future and $40 mill is not cheap and damn sure not going to be moveable after a certain age The Machado contract already looks bad. The Sox can probably sign Devers for the entirety of his prime for what they would have paid Betts for the last 4/5 years of that deal. Yes, that is a better use of it. They're in the same spot as Washington. You make an extremely high offer and if his counter is ridiculous, you move on. They won a WS. Boston probably won't, but it doesn't preclude them from contending over the next 4-5 and they're way, way better off 5 years from now than they would be with Betts on the back end. Not to mention the 48 mil they save on Price. That's almost 450 mil they want to spend on a flawed, aging pitcher and Betts for the next 6 years before he falls off. That's the opposite of responsible spending for a team who just said they want to get their spending under control. It's unrealistic. And the Dodgers don't even get a signed Betts, and they still take on Price @ 50%. It's not a horrible deal, just a shitty circumstance because Betts wants record money.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 10, 2020 15:32:41 GMT -5
When this group came in, they were obsessed with toppling the Yankees and bringing glory back to the franchise. Somewhere along the way they've changed. The last decade has seen 2 titles, and yet, as a fan I can help feel like their top priority is marketing a brand and shaking every last nickel out of the fanbase. They've already priced out the blue collar fans with (correct me if I'm wrong) the highest ticket prices in baseball, and they just raised prices again not only coming off a disappointing 2019 campaign, but right before punting the 2020 season. It's not about winning anymore, it's about putting a bandaid on a long out of date ballpark and getting "Pink Hat" fans to sing along like good little sheep to 'Sweet Caroline', even when the team is trailing 11-1 on a humid July Night.
The Red Sox went nearly a century without a title, and this group has won 4 in the last 15+ years. I've loved the Sox since I was a kid. I shouldn't hate this ownership and feel such apathy for the team, but here we are.
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Post by BRV on Feb 10, 2020 15:59:03 GMT -5
When this group came in, they were obsessed with toppling the Yankees and bringing glory back to the franchise. Somewhere along the way they've changed. The last decade has seen 2 titles, and yet, as a fan I can help feel like their top priority is marketing a brand and shaking every last nickel out of the fanbase. They've already priced out the blue collar fans with (correct me if I'm wrong) the highest ticket prices in baseball, and they just raised prices again not only coming off a disappointing 2019 campaign, but right before punting the 2020 season. It's not about winning anymore, it's about putting a bandaid on a long out of date ballpark and getting "Pink Hat" fans to sing along like good little sheep to 'Sweet Caroline', even when the team is trailing 11-1 on a humid July Night. The Red Sox went nearly a century without a title, and this group has won 4 in the last 15+ years. I've loved the Sox since I was a kid. I shouldn't hate this ownership and feel such apathy for the team, but here we are. Believe me, I'm the same way with Red Sox management. The Red Sox have won four World Series in 16 years, but that does not make the ownership group immune to criticism when they made decisions that range from tone-deaf to bone-headed to actually malevolent. On the one hand, they invested enough money into Fenway Park to save it and restore it as the jewel of professional sporting venues. But what they did was essentially what Jon Taffer does on "Bar Rescue." He comes in, sees a smelly, old, dirty dive bar and cleans it up. But along the way, he also completely sterilizes it and homogenizes it so that its natural charm or character is lost under all those bright lights and loud colors and corporate ambiance. And that's what Red Sox ownership did. Sure, you don't stick to the floor at Fenway Park anymore and the feeling that you might caught up in a brawl is long gone, but in the process, they've transformed Fenway Park into a place to see and be seen rather than watch the game. It's place to tag yourself on Instagram rather than watch the local nine. They hired Terry Francona. It was the smart decision, it was the right decision in the aftermath of the Grady Little blunder, and he was the steady hand at the helm for two world champions. But they also catered to out-of-control, literally fat and happy millionaires in 2010 and 2011 and totally undermined Francona. Then, in what cannot ever be forgiven, they absolutely smeared Francona with one of the most shameless hit pieces in local sports history. They then somehow thought Bobby Valentine would be the right guy for the organization, when everyone with a functioning brain outside of Yawkey Way knew it was going to be a disaster. They seem so focused on milking every last penny out of Red Sox fans - exorbitant ticket prices, pink hats, commemorative bricks - when really all the fans want is a good on-field product. And Red Sox fans as a whole are smart enough to call bulls**t when they see it, but ownership thinks we're still the same dumb yokels who just wanted a championship and we'd be content. Ownership put the wheels in motion for such a product most years, but there have been other years where the bottom line has clearly been more important to them than the box score, and we're going to see that night in and night out in 2020.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 10, 2020 16:04:44 GMT -5
When this group came in, they were obsessed with toppling the Yankees and bringing glory back to the franchise. Somewhere along the way they've changed. The last decade has seen 2 titles, and yet, as a fan I can help feel like their top priority is marketing a brand and shaking every last nickel out of the fanbase. They've already priced out the blue collar fans with (correct me if I'm wrong) the highest ticket prices in baseball, and they just raised prices again not only coming off a disappointing 2019 campaign, but right before punting the 2020 season. It's not about winning anymore, it's about putting a bandaid on a long out of date ballpark and getting "Pink Hat" fans to sing along like good little sheep to 'Sweet Caroline', even when the team is trailing 11-1 on a humid July Night. The Red Sox went nearly a century without a title, and this group has won 4 in the last 15+ years. I've loved the Sox since I was a kid. I shouldn't hate this ownership and feel such apathy for the team, but here we are. Believe me, I'm the same way with Red Sox management. The Red Sox have won four World Series in 16 years, but that does not make the ownership group immune to criticism when they made decisions that range from tone-deaf to bone-headed to actually malevolent. On the one hand, they invested enough money into Fenway Park to save it and restore it as the jewel of professional sporting venues. But what they did was essentially what Jon Taffer does on "Bar Rescue." He comes in, sees a smelly, old, dirty dive bar and cleans it up. But along the way, he also completely sterilizes it and homogenizes it so that its natural charm or character is lost under all those bright lights and loud colors and corporate ambiance. And that's what Red Sox ownership did. Sure, you don't stick to the floor at Fenway Park anymore and the feeling that you might caught up in a brawl is long gone, but in the process, they've transformed Fenway Park into a place to see and be seen rather than watch the game. It's place to tag yourself on Instagram rather than watch the local nine. They hired Terry Francona. It was the smart decision, it was the right decision in the aftermath of the Grady Little blunder, and he was the steady hand at the helm for two world champions. But they also catered to out-of-control, literally fat and happy millionaires in 2010 and 2011 and totally undermined Francona. Then, in what cannot ever be forgiven, they absolutely smeared Francona with one of the most shameless hit pieces in local sports history. They then somehow thought Bobby Valentine would be the right guy for the organization, when everyone with a functioning brain outside of Yawkey Way knew it was going to be a disaster. They seem so focused on milking every last penny out of Red Sox fans - exorbitant ticket prices, pink hats, commemorative bricks - when really all the fans want is a good on-field product. And Red Sox fans as a whole are smart enough to call bulls**t when they see it, but ownership thinks we're still the same dumb yokels who just wanted a championship and we'd be content. Ownership put the wheels in motion for such a product most years, but there have been other years where the bottom line has clearly been more important to them than the box score, and we're going to see that night in and night out in 2020. The part about Fenway that makes it tough is that seating is mildly uncomfortable at best, and at worse, leaves you in actual pain by the time the 6th inning rolls around. When you factor in that your average game is somewhere in the 3 and a half to four hour range, it's a tough sell
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Feb 10, 2020 17:10:02 GMT -5
I hate Manfred.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 10, 2020 18:24:49 GMT -5
Thus far the long term contracts that worked in MLB, you can count on one hand A-Rod ended up being worth his 10 years but just not for the Rangers. Jeter 10 year deal worked. Scherzer signed a long term for a pitcher and ended up being worth it Stanton contract looking like a sunk const, Pujols wasn't worth it, Miggy fell off, Cano is done, Votto was 50/50 and the jury is still open to Machado and Harper. There is a reason teams are willing to do more money instead of years because those back years absolutely kill you. So yeah, no one is going to complain when the deal is signed because it is all rainbows and sunshine but 5 years down the line when that player is in the last of their physical prime, you have to really think about the future and $40 mill is not cheap and damn sure not going to be moveable after a certain age The Machado contract already looks bad. The Sox can probably sign Devers for the entirety of his prime for what they would have paid Betts for the last 4/5 years of that deal. Yes, that is a better use of it. They're in the same spot as Washington. You make an extremely high offer and if his counter is ridiculous, you move on. They won a WS. Boston probably won't, but it doesn't preclude them from contending over the next 4-5 and they're way, way better off 5 years from now than they would be with Betts on the back end. Not to mention the 48 mil they save on Price. That's almost 450 mil they want to spend on a flawed, aging pitcher and Betts for the next 6 years before he falls off. That's the opposite of responsible spending for a team who just said they want to get their spending under control. It's unrealistic. And the Dodgers don't even get a signed Betts, and they still take on Price @ 50%. It's not a horrible deal, just a shitty circumstance because Betts wants record money. Some experts are basically saying it isn't as bad a deal as people are making it out to be Honestly, I don't care as a Yankee fan what they got but they will be fine. Just like when the Yankees had to "rebuild" off the heels of Tex and A-Rod retiring and getting rid of bad contracts, they still will put a competent team out there. Teams like Boston, Yankees, Cardinals, Dodgers etc can never do a full on rebuild in losing 100 games for 5 straight seasons like other teams. They make it work and history has shown they find a way even in mediocre years So yeah, it doesn't make sense for them to pay Betts $400 mill or more when you are trying to prepare for a future. Cardinals luckily had Yadier to be that guy after Pujols. Yanks got Judge. Red Sox still has Devers, BB, etc they will be fine. They made their moves knowing it was going to be rough. Red Sox paid the price and got the ring so now this is the aftermath
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Post by BRV on Feb 10, 2020 19:52:49 GMT -5
I feel so bad for the poor social media intern who had to post these and read the inevitable responses, as the Red Sox' Twitter feed gets ratio'd into oblivion.
But I'm inspired by how of the 1,200 or so responses, it seems that all are overwhelmingly negative and telling Red Sox management, in some capacity, to go eat s**t. I hope Red Sox fans carry this anger and frustration into the season, John Henry and co. deserve to be roundly booed on Opening Day this April.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 22:20:34 GMT -5
So how long into the season until the Sox have like the best record in baseball and all the fans crying foul start going "Mookie Who?"
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 11, 2020 12:53:18 GMT -5
So how long into the season until the Sox have like the best record in baseball and all the fans crying foul start going "Mookie Who?" More likely to cry about they will be World Series if they kept Mookie
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