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Post by corndog on May 22, 2020 8:52:09 GMT -5
I've watched most of the season 2 episodes and based on what I see/hear, I really hope Chris Jericho or Jim Ross never go to work for WWE again. I know now they are with AEW but who knows what happens in a few years but both these guys obviously know first hand how much hurt has been caused to some people by WWF/WWE. You can see or hear it in them. Watching this episode, I really felt for Jim Ross. I already felt bad for Martha and the kids, but Ross having to announce his death and sitting there the entire time had to be absolutely terrible. Going on with the show was definitely the wrong decision. Also I didn't know how poorly the equipment was done, obviously it was faulty, but this wasn't a freak accident. As far as either working for the WWE again, I can't see either going back until Vince dies, if at all. I think Ross is completely done anyways and Jericho seems to be doing a nice job of burning the bridge, especially with his work on this show.
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Post by sfvega on May 22, 2020 10:24:55 GMT -5
It especially sucked hearing about the phone call. Neither Martha nor that doctor had done anything wrong that day, but they had to deal with pretty traumatic experiences twice pretty much back-to-back. If anyone had the right to get pissy, it was them. Not Vince.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on May 22, 2020 10:28:15 GMT -5
I was close to tears watching that, more than once.
The only thing I can be happy about is that the kids and Martha somehow turned out OK.
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Post by fw91 on May 22, 2020 10:33:25 GMT -5
I low-key love how seemingly every single person who worked in pro wrestling during that era has a Stu Hart impression. Man JR would be the last person in the business I'd expect to have a spot on Stu impression.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 11:10:25 GMT -5
I low-key love how seemingly every single person who worked in pro wrestling during that era has a Stu Hart impression. Man JR would be the last person in the business I'd expect to have a spot on Stu impression. That's the best Stu impression I've heard. I really liked that segment (wish it'd been in) mainly because I've never heard any of those before. You hear the same ones a lot, but these.... that D'lo one was great.
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Post by mattperiolat on May 22, 2020 14:09:45 GMT -5
The "blood" was in the same spot where Matt Hardy touched the canvas after getting whatever was used poured on him. It left a stain that was there for the rest of the night. Yeah, I've watched the PPV a few weeks back and I made a note to look for the blood spot being there in the opening matches. Although, I did also notice that Undertaker glanced over at it at the end of his entrance and nearly broke down crying. I’ll have to look for that. Worth noting Taker is one of the very few I’ve never heard talk about Owen. Given he basically bee lined to Calgary after the event says a lot, especially given he seemed tight with Bret too. It never goes away. That’s one thing I might share with Martha. Obviously different because her husband, father of her kids where I’m just a fan, but... Owen is a border line for me as a man. I think I grew up a bit after we lost him and honestly, he’s never far from my thoughts when it comes to wrestling.
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Post by wildojinx on May 22, 2020 14:24:15 GMT -5
Surprised they didnt bring up Owen accidently injuring Austin, though to be fair, this wasnt about Owen's career in general, but about his death.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on May 22, 2020 16:44:38 GMT -5
From watching this, reading her book and listening to interviews I am in awe of how strong she and her kids are.
Get the feeling that she never hated wrestling. Had WWE/Vince been respectful in the aftermath I fully believe she would have worked with them.
List a ton of respect for WWE/Vince. The lack of respect they showed and have continued to show is sickening.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 22, 2020 17:21:42 GMT -5
Surprised they didnt bring up Owen accidently injuring Austin, though to be fair, this wasnt about Owen's career in general, but about his death. Yeah, it was completely irrelevant to the story being told.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 22, 2020 17:26:25 GMT -5
Surprised they didnt bring up Owen accidently injuring Austin, though to be fair, this wasnt about Owen's career in general, but about his death. Yeah, it was completely irrelevant to the story being told. I mean that's why the LOD skipped a ton of stuff too... like their return to WCW, their actual return to the WWF and then LOD 2000... and then their one night return. It's not really the point to fully go over their entire career it was more a focus on Hawk and... oh and then we stopped into the WWF for one night in 2003 and didn't really do anything... doesn't really add anything
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 22, 2020 18:20:18 GMT -5
Yeah, it was completely irrelevant to the story being told. I mean that's why the LOD skipped a ton of stuff too... like their return to WCW, their actual return to the WWF and then LOD 2000... and then their one night return. It's not really the point to fully go over their entire career it was more a focus on Hawk and... oh and then we stopped into the WWF for one night in 2003 and didn't really do anything... doesn't really add anything Well, that and it’s not a Biography channel show.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on May 22, 2020 18:26:13 GMT -5
Just like I doubt a documentary on Steve Austin would spend any time talking about him injuring Chono with the same move.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 22, 2020 18:26:31 GMT -5
Yeah, it was completely irrelevant to the story being told. I mean that's why the LOD skipped a ton of stuff too... like their return to WCW, their actual return to the WWF and then LOD 2000... and then their one night return. It's not really the point to fully go over their entire career it was more a focus on Hawk and... oh and then we stopped into the WWF for one night in 2003 and didn't really do anything... doesn't really add anything Hell, watching the Owen ep, if you're not paying super close attention, it makes it sound like he had stayed in the WWF the entire time since 1988.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 22, 2020 18:50:27 GMT -5
I mean that's why the LOD skipped a ton of stuff too... like their return to WCW, their actual return to the WWF and then LOD 2000... and then their one night return. It's not really the point to fully go over their entire career it was more a focus on Hawk and... oh and then we stopped into the WWF for one night in 2003 and didn't really do anything... doesn't really add anything Hell, watching the Owen ep, if you're not paying super close attention, it makes it sound like he had stayed in the WWF the entire time since 1988. They did basically imply he went from the Blue Blazer straight into his feud with Bret. Unless you know the actual timeline, you’d think that’s how it went down.
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Post by Aceorton on May 22, 2020 18:57:06 GMT -5
My thoughts keep going back to this episode after watching it a couple of days ago, and I'm having trouble shaking the core of it, which is not news, of course, after 21 years, but nonetheless infuriating when you really stop and think about it in the most basic terms:
A wife lost her husband and two young kids lost their dad -- someone was KILLED -- because Vince McMahon and his writers casually thought something would be amusing.
Imagine that being your loved one and the helpless rage you'd feel.
Now imagine being Vince McMahon. I don't get how he goes through life with some of these things on his conscience. I would not be able to cope with the guilt of knowing my idea of what's funny led directly to someone's death.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on May 22, 2020 19:02:36 GMT -5
A wife lost her husband and two young kids lost their dad -- someone was KILLED -- because Vince McMahon and his writers casually thought something would be amusing.. Not just that. Vince was adamant that he wanted it done with a quick release component. The company they worked with previously quoted a cost that Vince balked at, leading Vince to work with a crew with less experience. Then the first company gets back to WWE and offers to do the stunt at WWE's desired price because they have a bad feeling about the planned stunt. Vince decides to stick with the Bobby Talbert group anyway.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on May 22, 2020 19:09:02 GMT -5
Now imagine being Vince McMahon. I don't get how he goes through life with some of these things on his conscience. I would not be able to cope with the guilt of knowing my idea of what's funny led directly to someone's death. In the Andre doc, Vince more or less admitted he buries the things he can't emotionally cope with deep in his psyche. Which is just a picture-perfect portrait of a mentally healthy individual...
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Post by Aceorton on May 22, 2020 19:32:02 GMT -5
Here's another thought that's sticking with me:
According to DSOTR, Owen damaged boards at the edge/corner of the ring when he hit, meaning wrestlers had to avoid that spot the rest of the night. What if he'd fallen straight into the middle of the ring with no ropes to hit to slow his velocity? There'd probably be a giant hole, right? And how do you keep the show going when your ring is useless? At the very least, you're looking at a long delay while the crew rebuilds.
Owen did McMahon, Kevin Dunn, Russo, et. al. the "service" of fatally falling off to the side so the ring remained otherwise intact and the show could go on. They didn't deserve that luxury after their negligence.
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Post by jason1980s on May 22, 2020 19:34:20 GMT -5
Now imagine being Vince McMahon. I don't get how he goes through life with some of these things on his conscience. I would not be able to cope with the guilt of knowing my idea of what's funny led directly to someone's death. The issue is that he really does lack the conscience that most people possess. I still always go back to his upbringing with his father not around and thinking that at some point his mental growth was stunted and though it's no excuse it is what led to him having the mindset of a child and some children will often act out and misbehave and do bad things because their brains aren't fully functioning or able to handle certain things dealing with the conscience.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on May 22, 2020 19:54:27 GMT -5
A wife lost her husband and two young kids lost their dad -- someone was KILLED -- because Vince McMahon and his writers casually thought something would be amusing.. Not just that. Vince was adamant that he wanted it done with a quick release component. The company they worked with previously quoted a cost that Vince balked at, leading Vince to work with a crew with less experience. Then the first company gets back to WWE and offers to do the stunt at WWE's desired price because they have a bad feeling about the planned stunt. Vince decides to stick with the Bobby Talbert group anyway. He's in the garbage business, pal.
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