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Post by DSR on Apr 24, 2019 10:44:30 GMT -5
You ever just think "damn, breadsticks are cool as f***"? But can you (generic "you", not you in particular) build a strawman out of them? And can you make it say "TEN YEAR NONSTOP TITLE REIGN WOOOOOOOO!" I saw a bunch of people saying someone who's been heaped upon with achievements for the past four years needs MORE achievements heaped upon them so they can put over someone else eventually and I pushed that to absurdity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 10:47:19 GMT -5
But can you (generic "you", not you in particular) build a strawman out of them? And can you make it say "TEN YEAR NONSTOP TITLE REIGN WOOOOOOOO!" I saw a bunch of people saying someone who's been heaped upon with achievements for the past four years needs MORE achievements heaped upon them so they can put over someone else eventually and I pushed that to absurdity. There really isn’t any other way possible other than to give Charlotte the belt. There really isn’t any time on SD to give someone else a C level feud with Charlotte as you’ve got the women’s title, the tag titles, the main title and so on. And if you move her to Raw, you’re pretty much dead when it comes to SD’s women’s division as Asuka/Kairi, Mandy/Sonya, and the IIconics are in the tag division. On top of that, you’ve got the feud that most are tired of online getting a third wind if she were to move to Raw. The only thing that makes sense in my eyes to give her the belt and have a babyface like Ember or Bayley be built up to take it from her.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 24, 2019 10:48:43 GMT -5
But can you (generic "you", not you in particular) build a strawman out of them? And can you make it say "TEN YEAR NONSTOP TITLE REIGN WOOOOOOOO!" I saw a bunch of people saying someone who's been heaped upon with achievements for the past four years needs MORE achievements heaped upon them so they can put over someone else eventually and I pushed that to absurdity. Plus assuming the plan is to have Charlotte put someone over is already being optimist. Vince shes her as someone that carries the brand,second only to Becky , she is just gonna keep winning non stop. The idea isnt to have Charlotte put people over,is to have more people put Charlotte over on SD!.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 10:49:37 GMT -5
I saw a bunch of people saying someone who's been heaped upon with achievements for the past four years needs MORE achievements heaped upon them so they can put over someone else eventually and I pushed that to absurdity. Plus assuming the plan is to have Charlotte put someone over is already being optimist. Vince shes her as someone that carries the brand,second only to Becky , she is just gonna keep winning non stop. They aren’t going to have Charlotte have some Sammartino like reign where she beats all challengers for the belt. That’s just too much.
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Post by DSR on Apr 24, 2019 10:49:51 GMT -5
I saw a bunch of people saying someone who's been heaped upon with achievements for the past four years needs MORE achievements heaped upon them so they can put over someone else eventually and I pushed that to absurdity. There really isn’t any other way possible other than to give Charlotte the belt. There really isn’t any time on SD to give someone else a C level feud with Charlotte as you’ve got the women’s title, the tag titles, the main title and so on. And if you move her to Raw, you’re pretty much dead when it comes to SD’s women’s division as Asuka/Kairi, Mandy/Sonya, and the IIconics are in the tag division. On top of that, you’ve got the feud that most are tired of online getting a third wind if she were to move to Raw. The only thing that makes sense in my eyes to give her the belt and have a babyface like Ember or Bayley be built up to take it from her. I'm just gonna say I disagree.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 24, 2019 10:51:55 GMT -5
There really isn’t any other way possible other than to give Charlotte the belt. There really isn’t any time on SD to give someone else a C level feud with Charlotte as you’ve got the women’s title, the tag titles, the main title and so on. And if you move her to Raw, you’re pretty much dead when it comes to SD’s women’s division as Asuka/Kairi, Mandy/Sonya, and the IIconics are in the tag division. On top of that, you’ve got the feud that most are tired of online getting a third wind if she were to move to Raw. The only thing that makes sense in my eyes to give her the belt and have a babyface like Ember or Bayley be built up to take it from her. I'm just gonna say I disagree. Pretty much,I think the idea that having Charlotte be the only one win is wrong,lazy and a sympton of Charlotte always being the one everything goes back to.Its self fulfilling.
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Post by schma on Apr 24, 2019 11:15:51 GMT -5
At this point, I think the best scenario is someone from Smackdown wins the money in the bank and cashes in on Becky after she beats Lacey and narrowly defeats Charlotte. They really should have left the belt on Asuka and actually put some effort into her ever being on tv. That said, they Smackdown roster has a fair amount of talent and they've pleasantly surprised us before when they didn't have the obvious 'big stars' so I don't think the belt needs to be on Charlotte.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 11:31:16 GMT -5
At this point, I think the best scenario is someone from Smackdown wins the money in the bank and cashes in on Becky after she beats Lacey and narrowly defeats Charlotte. They really should have left the belt on Asuka and actually put some effort into her ever being on tv. That said, they Smackdown roster has a fair amount of talent and they've pleasantly surprised us before when they didn't have the obvious 'big stars' so I don't think the belt needs to be on Charlotte. They tried doing that with Mandy but everyone was scared that the blonde would prevail and win the title and it was ultimately a lose/lose scenario, no matter who would’ve won that fatal four way. People would be scared if Carmella or Mandy won said fatal four way and not focus on the two or so week build, and Sonya would’ve gotten cheered in her hometown of jersey. Plus, it likely would’ve been later or in the middle of the show, which would’ve definitely been seen as a detriment to Asuka by many.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 24, 2019 11:45:27 GMT -5
At this point, I think the best scenario is someone from Smackdown wins the money in the bank and cashes in on Becky after she beats Lacey and narrowly defeats Charlotte. They really should have left the belt on Asuka and actually put some effort into her ever being on tv. That said, they Smackdown roster has a fair amount of talent and they've pleasantly surprised us before when they didn't have the obvious 'big stars' so I don't think the belt needs to be on Charlotte. They tried doing that with Mandy but everyone was scared that the blonde would prevail and win the title and it was ultimately a lose/lose scenario, no matter who would’ve won that fatal four way. People would be scared if Carmella or Mandy won said fatal four way and not focus on the two or so week build, and Sonya would’ve gotten cheered in her hometown of jersey. Plus, it likely would’ve been later or in the middle of the show, which would’ve definitely been seen as a detriment to Asuka by many. Hell, remember that the match was initially pencilled in as Asuka v Evans, and the reaction to that.
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Post by Prince Petty on Apr 24, 2019 11:48:59 GMT -5
Two ways to go -
1. Becky beats Lacey but then loses to Charlotte. This makes Becky look okay. Not weak, but not super strong either. Then Bayley, having won the MITB briefcase, cashes in on Charlotte.
2. Becky beats Lacey and then beats Charlotte, but is so worn down that the winner of the MITB briefcase can successfully cash in. It still looks like it would have to be Bayley, to take the belt back to Smackdown.
Or 3. Some other WWE-style shenanigans, that leave everyone looking dumb and/or weak.
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Post by Perd on Apr 24, 2019 11:57:03 GMT -5
Charlotte isn’t Hogan or Sammartino. But she is Roman Reigns. In that everything will always circle back around to her. Even now, the Becky stuff is circling back around to her. So why should I care if an up and coming face beats her? Because I know it will all eventually circle back around to her. Any back seat, that Charlotte takes, is temporary.
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Apr 24, 2019 12:04:44 GMT -5
Three Way matches never end feuds. That's a really good point I'd never considered. It's probably actually a big part of why I hate multi-person matches at Wrestlemania. Wrestlemania should be the blow off to feuds.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 24, 2019 12:17:04 GMT -5
Charlotte isn’t Hogan or Sammartino. But she is Roman Reigns. In that everything will always circle back around to her. Even now, the Becky stuff is circling back around to her. So why should I care if an up and coming face beats her? Because I know it will all eventually circle back around to her. Any back seat, that Charlotte takes, is temporary. It’s just... If we’re saying this, then I feel like we’re essentially saying that the WrestleMania main event, something that we’ve put on such a high pedestal that it’s basically the most important match of the entire wrestling year, is going to get rendered pointless because the winner of that match may lose one of her belts, emphasis on the plural, to someone who does regularly have them for some reason, and cancel out all of her numerous victories over that person over the last six months.
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 24, 2019 12:23:17 GMT -5
Two ways to go - 1. Becky beats Lacey but then loses to Charlotte. This makes Becky look okay. Not weak, but not super strong either. Then Bayley, having won the MITB briefcase, cashes in on Charlotte. 2. Becky beats Lacey and then beats Charlotte, but is so worn down that the winner of the MITB briefcase can successfully cash in. It still looks like it would have to be Bayley, to take the belt back to Smackdown. Or 3. Some other WWE-style shenanigans, that leave everyone looking dumb and/or weak. The true WWE Style #3. At MiTB: Lacey Beats Becky by DQ due to Charlotte interference (see she wants both belts to be on the line for her match)... so Becky retains. Then Charlotte beats Becky for both Belts. Then Bailey cashes in on Charlotte and loses. Then the WWE wonders why ratings drop like a rock on Tuesday.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Apr 24, 2019 12:23:37 GMT -5
I'd rather tear my MCL again than watch another f***ing Charlotte title match.
Give it a rest for a while. There's other female heels. Hell, would it be so bad to have a "We didn't really finish our business" match with Nia Jax?
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Post by Dub H on Apr 24, 2019 12:24:01 GMT -5
Charlotte isn’t Hogan or Sammartino. But she is Roman Reigns. In that everything will always circle back around to her. Even now, the Becky stuff is circling back around to her. So why should I care if an up and coming face beats her? Because I know it will all eventually circle back around to her. Any back seat, that Charlotte takes, is temporary. It’s just... If we’re saying this, then I feel like we’re essentially saying that the WrestleMania main event, something that we’ve put on such a high pedestal that it’s basically the most important match of the entire wrestling year, is going to get rendered pointless because the winner of that match may lose one of her belts, emphasis on the plural, to someone who does regularly have them for some reason, and cancel out all of her numerous victories over that person over the last six months. i wouldnt say pointless ,its just the overall story ,not particular about WM.Becky still came out the winner and nothing is going to change that but it alwasys ends back in charlotte ,that is a 4+ years constant.The fsct that Charlotre was part.of said main event doesnt help it
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 24, 2019 12:24:54 GMT -5
I'd rather tear my MCL again than watch another f***ing Charlotte title match. Give it a rest for a while. There's other female heels. Hell, would it be so bad to have a "We didn't really finish our business" match with Nia Jax? Sure, when she comes back from surgery in six months time. Much like you, she has dodgy knees.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 12:24:54 GMT -5
Charlotte isn’t Hogan or Sammartino. But she is Roman Reigns. In that everything will always circle back around to her. Even now, the Becky stuff is circling back around to her. So why should I care if an up and coming face beats her? Because I know it will all eventually circle back around to her. Any back seat, that Charlotte takes, is temporary. If she were Roman, we’d legitimately be nowhere near where we’re at right now. We wouldn’t have had Becky beat Charlotte in the first place. Hell, we wouldn’t even have Charlotte be the heel at this point in time. Everything will circle back to Charlotte because she’s the 2nd top woman in the company next to Becky lynch. The only difference is that she’s a top heel that'll eventually get her comeuppance. That’s the difference between Roman/Cena and Charlotte.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 12:25:26 GMT -5
I'd rather tear my MCL again than watch another f***ing Charlotte title match. Give it a rest for a while. There's other female heels. Hell, would it be so bad to have a "We didn't really finish our business" match with Nia Jax? Nia is out hurt with 2 ACL tears.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Apr 24, 2019 12:26:33 GMT -5
Agree on the first,disagree on the second I feel like at this point,WWE is coasting on the reason people didnt want Charlotte to begin with as an excuse to push her in these title matches. Part of the issue at the start of the whole Becky-Charlotte feud was that people simply didnt want Charlotte.That is not heel heat. That’s exactly what they’re doing. Because she’s a heel. The thing most of us wanted. They turned her heel and used what most people already thought about her to her advantage and it worked. Idk, I’m just not seeing the issue. No. We don't want her as a heel. We want her to go the hell away out of the title scene for a long ass time.
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