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Post by Perd on Apr 24, 2019 12:27:31 GMT -5
Charlotte isn’t Hogan or Sammartino. But she is Roman Reigns. In that everything will always circle back around to her. Even now, the Becky stuff is circling back around to her. So why should I care if an up and coming face beats her? Because I know it will all eventually circle back around to her. Any back seat, that Charlotte takes, is temporary. It’s just... If we’re saying this, then I feel like we’re essentially saying that the WrestleMania main event, something that we’ve put on such a high pedestal that it’s basically the most important match of the entire wrestling year, is going to get rendered pointless because the winner of that match may lose one of her belts, emphasis on the plural, to someone who does regularly have them for some reason, and cancel out all of her numerous victories over that person over the last six months. I don’t mind Becky losing one of the belts. Heck, I agree that she needs to. I just don’t agree that it needs to be to Charlotte.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 24, 2019 12:28:28 GMT -5
That’s exactly what they’re doing. Because she’s a heel. The thing most of us wanted. They turned her heel and used what most people already thought about her to her advantage and it worked. Idk, I’m just not seeing the issue. No. We don't want her as a heel. We want her to go the hell away out of the title scene for a long ass time. Yeh the issue with Charlotte winning instead of Becky wasntt that she was a face( but the fact she was a face was an issue for the story). is that we had enough of her as champion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 12:29:05 GMT -5
That’s exactly what they’re doing. Because she’s a heel. The thing most of us wanted. They turned her heel and used what most people already thought about her to her advantage and it worked. Idk, I’m just not seeing the issue. No. We don't want her as a heel. We want her to go the hell away out of the title scene for a long ass time. And do what? There isn’t any time for a third women’s feud with Charlotte. As I’ve stated before, you’ve got the main title, the women’s tag titles, the men’s tag titles, the main women’s title, and the ic title to be showcased. Someone is ultimately going to get the ax, it for sure won’t be the title programs.
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Post by DSR on Apr 24, 2019 12:33:04 GMT -5
Charlotte isn’t Hogan or Sammartino. But she is Roman Reigns. In that everything will always circle back around to her. Even now, the Becky stuff is circling back around to her. So why should I care if an up and coming face beats her? Because I know it will all eventually circle back around to her. Any back seat, that Charlotte takes, is temporary. It’s just... If we’re saying this, then I feel like we’re essentially saying that the WrestleMania main event, something that we’ve put on such a high pedestal that it’s basically the most important match of the entire wrestling year, is going to get rendered pointless because the winner of that match may lose one of her belts, emphasis on the plural, to someone who does regularly have them for some reason, and cancel out all of her numerous victories over that person over the last six months. WrestleMania's main event was a big moment, but I still feel like if Charlotte wins back "her title" so soon afterwards and then Becky goes off to be Raw exclusive, then it feels like Charlotte won the feud. Because since Becky's rise, Charlotte has gone on and on and on and won't quit until she's won. And then she wins. It's the final girl of Horror Movie Part 1 being the first victim in Horror Movie Part 2. It doesn't suddenly make Part 1 a terrible movie but it does make Part 1 feel just a bit less special.
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Post by theironyuppie on Apr 24, 2019 12:46:16 GMT -5
It’s just... If we’re saying this, then I feel like we’re essentially saying that the WrestleMania main event, something that we’ve put on such a high pedestal that it’s basically the most important match of the entire wrestling year, is going to get rendered pointless because the winner of that match may lose one of her belts, emphasis on the plural, to someone who does regularly have them for some reason, and cancel out all of her numerous victories over that person over the last six months. WrestleMania's main event was a big moment, but I still feel like if Charlotte wins back "her title" so soon afterwards and then Becky goes off to be Raw exclusive, then it feels like Charlotte won the feud. Because since Becky's rise, Charlotte has gone on and on and on and won't quit until she's won. And then she wins. It's the final girl of Horror Movie Part 1 being the first victim in Horror Movie Part 2. It doesn't suddenly make Part 1 a terrible movie but it does make Part 1 feel just a bit less special. I’d see it as setting up a potential rematch some time down the line. Besides, it’s easy to forget how lopsided the booking of the feud has been, not only in matches but also in segments.
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Post by DSR on Apr 24, 2019 12:52:15 GMT -5
WrestleMania's main event was a big moment, but I still feel like if Charlotte wins back "her title" so soon afterwards and then Becky goes off to be Raw exclusive, then it feels like Charlotte won the feud. Because since Becky's rise, Charlotte has gone on and on and on and won't quit until she's won. And then she wins. It's the final girl of Horror Movie Part 1 being the first victim in Horror Movie Part 2. It doesn't suddenly make Part 1 a terrible movie but it does make Part 1 feel just a bit less special. I’d see it as setting up a potential rematch some time down the line. Besides, it’s easy to forget how lopsided the booking of the feud has been, not only in matches but also in segments. Like other people said, these two are expected to feud on and off for the rest of their careers. There's always the potential for a rematch. But I feel like this particular feud hasn't ended yet and won't end until the two are separated from one another for any significant period of time. Regarding the lopsided booking of the feud, again I liken it to John Cena's "okay you beat me, but I won't do the 'I respect you' talking point until I've beaten you" business.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 24, 2019 13:09:32 GMT -5
I mean if Alexa gets a title shot against Becky this summer there will probably be people complaining that Alexa is always in the title picture even when has not done much since coming back from injuries.
So to me, people saying she needs to get away from the title picture for a while should just say you don't want her in title matches again. Which is fine we all have our favorites and biases since entertainment is subjective but I just have a tough time believing that the complaints about Charlotte will calm down if she did not win a title again until the royal rumble.
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 24, 2019 13:13:18 GMT -5
Somebody wake me when Charlotte/Becky passes Cena/Orton on the Holy-Shit-Enough-Already Highway.
WWE needs to learn how to work real time in between repeated feuds and fights.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 24, 2019 13:18:52 GMT -5
I mean if Alexa gets a title shot against Becky this summer there will probably be people complaining that Alexa is always in the title picture even when has not done much since coming back from injuries. So to me, people saying she needs to get away from the title picture for a while should just say you don't want her in title matches again. Which is fine we all have our favorites and biases since entertainment is subjective but I just have a tough time believing that the complaints about Charlotte will calm down if she did not win a title again until the royal rumble. counter point , no one has been complaining about Alexa since she came back and at same time think she would be a good opponent for Becky.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 13:30:27 GMT -5
I mean if Alexa gets a title shot against Becky this summer there will probably be people complaining that Alexa is always in the title picture even when has not done much since coming back from injuries. So to me, people saying she needs to get away from the title picture for a while should just say you don't want her in title matches again. Which is fine we all have our favorites and biases since entertainment is subjective but I just have a tough time believing that the complaints about Charlotte will calm down if she did not win a title again until the royal rumble. counter point , no one has been complaining about Alexa since she came back and at same time think she would be a good opponent for Becky. Charlotte is a good opponent for Becky as well, though. Both of them can bring the best out of Becky and vice versa. Also, trust me, when Alexa even begins to sniff the title, the complaints will be there.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Apr 24, 2019 13:40:29 GMT -5
I'd rather tear my MCL again than watch another f***ing Charlotte title match. Give it a rest for a while. There's other female heels. Hell, would it be so bad to have a "We didn't really finish our business" match with Nia Jax? Nia is out hurt with 2 ACL tears. OK, ouch.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 24, 2019 13:47:55 GMT -5
I mean if Alexa gets a title shot against Becky this summer there will probably be people complaining that Alexa is always in the title picture even when has not done much since coming back from injuries. So to me, people saying she needs to get away from the title picture for a while should just say you don't want her in title matches again. Which is fine we all have our favorites and biases since entertainment is subjective but I just have a tough time believing that the complaints about Charlotte will calm down if she did not win a title again until the royal rumble. counter point , no one has been complaining about Alexa since she came back and at same time think she would be a good opponent for Becky. I mean did you see the thread after she beat Bayley on the Post Mania Raw? But I mean people can like and dislike who they want. If someone does not want to see Flair/Bayley/Sasha/Bliss in title matches it's cool since like I said we all have our own biases in terms of who we find entertaining. I just find it interesting when people comment that someone needs a long break from title matches because that is usually code for I don't want them in title matches again but I want to beat around that bush. Just say what you mean haha.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 24, 2019 13:52:08 GMT -5
counter point , no one has been complaining about Alexa since she came back and at same time think she would be a good opponent for Becky. I mean did you see the thread after she beat Bayley on the Post Mania Raw? But I mean people can like and dislike who they want. If someone does not want to see Flair/Bayley/Sasha/Bliss in title matches it's cool since like I said we all have our own biases in terms of who we find entertaining. I just find it interesting when people comment that someone needs a long break from title matches because that is usually code for I don't want them in title matches again but I want to beat around that bush. Just say what you mean haha. i did not see it, so yeh i may be missing some info And yeh im.not a big charlotte fan as she is rigt now. I can appreciate her matches and I think I can enjoy her because i legitely reslly enjoyed her in the rumble. But im so tired of her . I believe a break at least would allow other people to step up to the title spot and would freshen her character. But yes Charlotte isnt my first choice to win a title,there is people I want to win instead of her ,doesnt mean i want her to never win again To compare with Roman,yeh I sinply never want to watch roman win the title.period.
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Post by The Tim Duncan Experience on Apr 24, 2019 14:22:20 GMT -5
It’s just... If we’re saying this, then I feel like we’re essentially saying that the WrestleMania main event, something that we’ve put on such a high pedestal that it’s basically the most important match of the entire wrestling year, is going to get rendered pointless because the winner of that match may lose one of her belts, emphasis on the plural, to someone who does regularly have them for some reason, and cancel out all of her numerous victories over that person over the last six months. WrestleMania's main event was a big moment, but I still feel like if Charlotte wins back "her title" so soon afterwards and then Becky goes off to be Raw exclusive, then it feels like Charlotte won the feud. Because since Becky's rise, Charlotte has gone on and on and on and won't quit until she's won. And then she wins. It's the final girl of Horror Movie Part 1 being the first victim in Horror Movie Part 2. It doesn't suddenly make Part 1 a terrible movie but it does make Part 1 feel just a bit less special. Lol I think you just explained the first two Friday the 13ths. Me personally I didnt mind that Charlotte was the first to get the shot. Not really the biggest Bayley fan (I think it's funny people on the forum uses the term Goober for her lol) but had Bayley won that would have been ok too. Maybe it could have been a "Thanks Bayley for not acting up like Sasha" shot. IF Charlotte wins hopefully one of the new smackdown superstars get a shot. Or if Charlotte is a fighting future champion, let Asuka get the first shot.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 24, 2019 14:30:55 GMT -5
She's the best female talent they have, and one of the best they or any other company has ever had. Put her in all the f***ing title matches. Oh they already are! Then I am happy.
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Post by schma on Apr 24, 2019 23:15:29 GMT -5
The crazy thing here is they didn't even need a Smackdown match at MITB. I get that they may want to end Becky Two Belts sooner than later but this is the PPV where there is literally a Macguffin that can do that for them. They could put Charlotte in the MITB match and it would make a lot of sense, then the winner could take out Becky and get the title.
Honestly though, I'm having trouble thinking of a single time where Charlotte wasn't involved in a title match since she came back. She won the title and defended against Carmella, lost it to Becky, feuded with Becky, was in the Triple threat where Asuka won the title, then killed Asuka for her five day reign before WM. Before she was injured she was in a program with Carmella for the title. I like Charlotte. She is one of the best and does a great job and delivers but I need something different and they just got an influx of that on Smackdown. I wouldn't mind seeing Charlotte in the title picture eventually again but give it some breathing room.
I've seen some say that Charlotte is the only opponent that makes sense on Smackdown and for that I blame booking. If every time there's a number one contender match or someone just announces they're the number one contender it's always the same person, then we get a clear message that no one else is worth your time. There have even been moments when the women's locker room as a whole, faces and heels have banded together in the face of Charlotte's endless matches. That's a great story hook there. Make Charlotte go to the back of the line, let that make her more unhinged. Say what you will about Ronda, one of the best things about her reign was that we saw a variety of challengers with few repetitions. It kept it fresh even if we knew she wasn't losing until WM.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Apr 24, 2019 23:27:34 GMT -5
To be fair, it's her title and come Sunday, she'll be needing it back.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Apr 24, 2019 23:29:17 GMT -5
She's the best female talent they have, and one of the best they or any other company has ever had. Put her in all the f***ing title matches. Oh they already are! Then I am happy. Charlotte is one of the few people on the roster who you could book a PPV match for with no title on the line and still make it compelling/important yet they shoehorn her into title matches.It's pretty baffling
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 24, 2019 23:29:36 GMT -5
I've seen some say that Charlotte is the only opponent that makes sense on Smackdown and for that I blame booking. If every time there's a number one contender match or someone just announces they're the number one contender it's always the same person, then we get a clear message that no one else is worth your time. The weekly TV is paradoxical in a way that... For all that we call a lot of it filler at times, there's very little on those shows that goes towards building up someone as a credible contender explicitly for later down the line, not just the next PPV. Especially with SmackDown with the shorter runtime. Lynch herself got really lucky that Charlotte had to take a leave of absence last year, which allowed her to slot into the "women's B storyline" position behind the championship feud, go on a successive run of wins and become a legitimate contender again after a rough couple of years of inconsistent results. Ideally, that's the kind of thing they should be doing with like three or four people at once, I suppose, but that would require a massive shift in how they present the weekly TV.
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Post by MAD TITAN on Apr 24, 2019 23:35:29 GMT -5
She will get 16 title reigns in less than 7 years. Hell she's probably a lot closer if you include the NXT title reign.
It took Ric damn near 20 years to get to 16. Even though it's like 20+ title reigns.
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