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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 16:41:38 GMT -5
Ugh. Yeah, awesome, no one's cornering anyone in a shower stall. Hooray, WWE, you get a cookie. It's still bullshit. He's hired as a performer. Unless handing out water bottles is in his goddamn contract, then he should be expected to devote his time to performing or things that will improve his performing. If he doesn't have any duties at the moment regarding what he was actually hired for, then he's got time off. This is a nonsensical, made-up thing that has no practical benefit and solely exists as some kind of arbitrary symbol and these guys should all know better. Worst part, this is just the kind of shit that perpetuates the crappy treatment of wrestlers by the company. Vince doesn't have to make sure his performers are provided with water as needed, because they'll make the newbies do it! The more you enforce these things among one another, the less you're making entirely reasonable demands to management. I think it's more about building camaraderie between workers who are trusting their lives to each other every day on the job. Especially something like water cooler duty which is not physically demanding nor expensive (I will disagree with a rookie forcing to pay $100,000 on a night out). It's also not like they targeted Lio since it's all rookies that are encouraged to do it to pay some dues. Yeah, the hazing back in the day sounds horrible and I'm glad it's pretty much done with now, but I don't see a problem with this water bottle and cooler stuff. Good way of showing you're a team player, which obviously Lio Rush doesn't sound like he is.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Apr 30, 2019 17:10:45 GMT -5
Ugh. Yeah, awesome, no one's cornering anyone in a shower stall. Hooray, WWE, you get a cookie. It's still bullshit. He's hired as a performer. Unless handing out water bottles is in his goddamn contract, then he should be expected to devote his time to performing or things that will improve his performing. If he doesn't have any duties at the moment regarding what he was actually hired for, then he's got time off. This is a nonsensical, made-up thing that has no practical benefit and solely exists as some kind of arbitrary symbol and these guys should all know better. Worst part, this is just the kind of shit that perpetuates the crappy treatment of wrestlers by the company. Vince doesn't have to make sure his performers are provided with water as needed, because they'll make the newbies do it! The more you enforce these things among one another, the less you're making entirely reasonable demands to management. I think it's more about building camaraderie between workers who are trusting their lives to each other every day on the job. Especially something like water cooler duty which is not physically demanding nor expensive (I will disagree with a rookie forcing to pay $100,000 on a night out). It's also not like they targeted Lio since it's all rookies that are encouraged to do it to pay some dues. Yeah, it's just showing you're not above the rest of the guys and like was said earlier, if someone thinks you are above that, they can and do tell people to stop. It seems stupid and out of place but it tends to weed out the Enzos.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Apr 30, 2019 17:19:34 GMT -5
I think it's more about building camaraderie between workers who are trusting their lives to each other every day on the job. Especially something like water cooler duty which is not physically demanding nor expensive (I will disagree with a rookie forcing to pay $100,000 on a night out). It's also not like they targeted Lio since it's all rookies that are encouraged to do it to pay some dues. Yeah, the hazing back in the day sounds horrible and I'm glad it's pretty much done with now, but I don't see a problem with this water bottle and cooler stuff. Good way of showing you're a team player, which obviously Lio Rush doesn't sound like he is. It would be showing he was a team player if the company let him know someone was needed for water duty and he volunteered. Telling him “you’re doing this because you’re the new guy” is hazing, pure and simple. That it’s more mild than in the past doesn’t make it ok.
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Post by nonrev on Apr 30, 2019 18:01:18 GMT -5
Could be over for ol Lio. Is he hired as a water boy? Is it in his contract? On the bolded portion Lio is 100% correct. Unless he is violating his contract, WWE should be paying someone else to be the waterboy. It's not Lio's fault no other wrestler decided to actually stand up to management about doing duties outside of their contract without being compensated for it.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Apr 30, 2019 18:04:57 GMT -5
He shouldn’t feel obliged to hand out water. In the same manner it does seem like a nice Thing to do
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 18:44:54 GMT -5
Is he hired as a water boy? Is it in his contract? On the bolded portion Lio is 100% correct. Unless he is violating his contract, WWE should be paying someone else to be the waterboy. It's not Lio's fault no other wrestler decided to actually stand up to management about doing duties outside of their contract without being compensated for it. Nah, that's not the point. Like stated handing out water to everyone else shows that you're a team player and you're all on the same level since everyone else has done that as well. It shows that you're no better because when something goes down hey, they can all pitch in and he can do. Lio not wanting to do it doesn't deal with it being in his contract or not, he didn't want to do it because he thought he was above it and that's what the problem was. Lio bringing people backstage without the proper clearance while everyone else has to get clearance shows he thinks he's great enough for that. Lio not listening to pointers from seniors while everyone else does listen to pointers shows he thinks he's greater than that.
Yeah, you can say "well it's not in his contract he doesn't have to do it" but it's not about it being in his contract, it's about him thinking he's too great to do certain things that others do hence why other instances were mentioned in the article. It's not a situation like a regular job where you're told to push carts and that's not in your job. It's a situation where you say "nah, I can't do this and that and that because I'm better than that" when everyone else is willing to do it.
At that point higher ups can think "why do we have this guy here when he's not doing what everyone else who wants a push does?"
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Post by ayumidah on Apr 30, 2019 18:58:28 GMT -5
It's like people helping put the ring together and tear it down after the show. A sign of respect to the business, no matter how old fashioned some may find it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 21:02:57 GMT -5
Also if you ever end up on the upper end of the card (a place Rush has stated he has ambitions to be) you must do a hell of a lot of stuff you didn't sign up for. You have to be a politician and not a backstage one but like a real one on the campaign trail. Shaking hands, kissing babies, visiting sick kids in hospital, getting the red eye at short notice because someone wants you on their show as well as all the TV and live show commitments. I doubt Kofi, Seth or Becky have had much sleep in the past month.
Think Vince is ever going to give a role like that to a person who moaned about minor stuff (and doesn't look like mid 90s HBK)?
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Post by nisidhe on May 1, 2019 1:31:50 GMT -5
Bringing unauthorised people into the locker room is a huge no-no. It's what got Enzo changing in the hallway for the rest of his main-roster run. If Lio was doing the same thing, he was breaching one of the few safe spaces available for the talent to discuss match booking, etc. and to prepare mentally for their match. Blowing off the newbie duties is one thing - blowing off the advice of a guy who a) was on a plane to wrestle in Japan by invitation at the same age Lio is now, and b) is one of the best-regarded and -liked WWE superstars, is almost career suicide.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 1:43:23 GMT -5
Refusing to be a helpful person and get my friends and co-workers water is not the hill I would want to die on. Dude’s not helping himself with his twitter explanations either.
And I say this as someone that was on his side in the whole insensitive tweeting situation. But this just seems to back up that he completely lacks courtesy for others, and only wants to do things he wants to do.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 1, 2019 11:03:15 GMT -5
Yeah, you can say "well it's not in his contract he doesn't have to do it" but it's not about it being in his contract, it's about him thinking he's too great to do certain things that others do hence why other instances were mentioned in the article. It's not a situation like a regular job where you're told to push carts and that's not in your job. It's a situation where you say "nah, I can't do this and that and that because I'm better than that" when everyone else is willing to do it. Someone's got to say no. This line of reasoning perpetuates anything (including awful hazing): "If I had to do it, so do you!" It wasn't their job, just like it isn't Rush's job. Yeah, he's 'too good' for it... but so were they!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 11:22:43 GMT -5
Someone's got to say no. This line of reasoning perpetuates anything (including awful hazing): "If I had to do it, so do you!" It wasn't their job, just like it isn't Rush's job. Yeah, he's 'too good' for it... but so were they! Nah, you're missing the point. When you use the "he was too good for it" excuse when referencing situations such as Lio not listening to seniors and him bringing people backstage without getting clearance then it doesn't stand. You're spending too much time on this one situation in comparison to the other examples. The article's point was about Lio thinking he's better than everyone else and it used 3 examples. One example is what you're speaking on, the crux of the article isn't that. That one example doesn't trump these other instances and the article's point. Lio's in the wrong here due to his overall attitude. Let alone the fact that an employer isn't going to want someone around who does less than others, that's just common sense.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 11:27:20 GMT -5
You know, a lot of WWE's backstage traditions I think are completely stupid but I think the water thing is 100% reasonable.
It's not like it's any gigantic inconvenience and it'd kind of give you a way to interact with everyone and get to know them, which is pretty essential for trusting your safety to each other in the ring. While WWE probably should have people on staff for that sort of thing, failing that, yeah, I don't see the issue with expecting people to do their one round of it while they're the new guy.
Though really even granting that one, let's say it's a completely valid thing to ignore and he's right for it... Lio still by all signs has a massively inflated ego and on the regular says completely stupid things. Just given some of his gaffes in public I wouldn't be shocked if he's constantly pissing people off behind the scenes.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 1, 2019 11:33:32 GMT -5
Some of y’all have never played team sports and it shows
This is nothing but showing you are part of the group and something everyone has done before you. It’s not even hazing in a sense, just a sign of respect
Black did it without no one telling him to because he knows the tradition and Roman told him to stop. He caught the eye of the locker room leader which means a lot.
I’ve been with Lio on this but yeah this is not the hill to die on. Get it together. You’re very young and this just comes across in a very bad way.
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on May 1, 2019 11:35:39 GMT -5
I think it's more about building camaraderie between workers who are trusting their lives to each other every day on the job. Especially something like water cooler duty which is not physically demanding nor expensive (I will disagree with a rookie forcing to pay $100,000 on a night out). It's also not like they targeted Lio since it's all rookies that are encouraged to do it to pay some dues. Yeah, the hazing back in the day sounds horrible and I'm glad it's pretty much done with now, but I don't see a problem with this water bottle and cooler stuff. Good way of showing you're a team player, which obviously Lio Rush doesn't sound like he is. How is this unlike "rookies grab pads/ get doughnuts/ chauffeur vets"?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 1, 2019 11:36:36 GMT -5
Someone's got to say no. This line of reasoning perpetuates anything (including awful hazing): "If I had to do it, so do you!" It wasn't their job, just like it isn't Rush's job. Yeah, he's 'too good' for it... but so were they! Nah, you're missing the point. When you use the "he was too good for it" excuse when referencing situations such as Lio not listening to seniors and him bringing people backstage without getting clearance then it doesn't stand. You're spending too much time on this one situation in comparison to the other examples. The article's point was about Lio thinking he's better than everyone else and it used 3 examples. One example is what you're speaking on, the crux of the article isn't that. That one example doesn't trump these other instances and the article's point. Lio's in the wrong here due to his overall attitude. Let alone the fact that an employer isn't going to want someone around who does less than others, that's just common sense. Yea the water stuff is one of a few examples of his attitude Don’t get me wrong I can see Lio point but dude you can’t have an attitude about everything. Sometimes you just got to learn to be quiet and just say okay and I say that as a person who has a hard time biting their tongue He’s got to get it together because this just comes across bad. Finn seems like he was only trying to help you out and this is a man who has been in the industry a long time. This water bottle shit is so minuscule, that you should have done it because now you making it seem like you’re better than everyone else.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 1, 2019 11:37:57 GMT -5
Some of y’all have never played team sports and it shows This is nothing but showing you are part of the group and something everyone has done before you. It’s not even hazing in a sense, just a sign of respect Black did it without no one telling him to because he knows the tradition and Roman told him to stop. He caught the eye of the locker room leader which means a lot. I’ve been with Lio on this but yeah this is not the hill to die on. Get it together. You’re very young and this just comes across in a very bad way. Not just sports...but like...anything? Where do you walk in, are new, and expect to not show respect?..
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 1, 2019 11:38:11 GMT -5
Yeah, you can say "well it's not in his contract he doesn't have to do it" but it's not about it being in his contract, it's about him thinking he's too great to do certain things that others do hence why other instances were mentioned in the article. It's not a situation like a regular job where you're told to push carts and that's not in your job. It's a situation where you say "nah, I can't do this and that and that because I'm better than that" when everyone else is willing to do it. Someone's got to say no. This line of reasoning perpetuates anything (including awful hazing): "If I had to do it, so do you!" It wasn't their job, just like it isn't Rush's job. Yeah, he's 'too good' for it... but so were they! You’re completely missing the point
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 1, 2019 11:40:53 GMT -5
Some of y’all have never played team sports and it shows This is nothing but showing you are part of the group and something everyone has done before you. It’s not even hazing in a sense, just a sign of respect Black did it without no one telling him to because he knows the tradition and Roman told him to stop. He caught the eye of the locker room leader which means a lot. I’ve been with Lio on this but yeah this is not the hill to die on. Get it together. You’re very young and this just comes across in a very bad way. Not just sport...but like...anything? Where do you walk in, are new, and expect to not show respect?.. Yea exactly. Teams in general whether it be work or sports just has different vibes. I bet you if they told him he had to compete in a drinking contest with the locker room he’d be with it If it’s over the line you have absolutely every right to stand up for yourself. However, the examples given just makes it seem like he is bigger than the group which is Enzo territory and that’s not where you want to be
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Post by Prince Petty on May 1, 2019 11:57:59 GMT -5
You know, a lot of WWE's backstage traditions I think are completely stupid but I think the water thing is 100% reasonable. It's not like it's any gigantic inconvenience and it'd kind of give you a way to interact with everyone and get to know them, which is pretty essential for trusting your safety to each other in the ring. While WWE probably should have people on staff for that sort of thing, failing that, yeah, I don't see the issue with expecting people to do their one round of it while they're the new guy. Though really even granting that one, let's say it's a completely valid thing to ignore and he's right for it... Lio still by all signs has a massively inflated ego and on the regular says completely stupid things. Just given some of his gaffes in public I wouldn't be shocked if he's constantly pissing people off behind the scenes. Hell, more than that, it's a chance to stand in Gorilla for a show and learn how the WWE process works, backstage as well as in the ring. See what Vince and the other agents react positively to, what they don't like so much, and how they communicate with the announcers and refs. I'd say that's invaluable experience, for someone new to a company.
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