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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 20, 2019 16:13:46 GMT -5
This could be New Japan doubling down with ROH in spite of everything. Could also be New Japan in that same state as when a relationship is going sour and you know it's going to end and just a matter of the clock ticking down, but even though you've given up on it, if anyone asks you insist it's still going and stuff's fine. It's hard to get a read on exactly what the climate is with ROH and exactly how everyone feels about everyone.
But I think as far as partnerships with other Japanese promotions, their size is nowhere near as important to AEW to the ability to just have deals. Hooking up with OWE got them a chance to throw CIMA a bone, but unless they're looking to shack up some Chinese business deals OWE offers them a super green roster of very talented but very rough guys with no real name value in the west. The joshi promotions they've opened up to working with have talent, but they aren't huge names getting them a ton of attention either. I think AEW and New Japan could find some benefit in even just a truce, but I don't think either is going to be hurting too much without it.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 20, 2019 16:16:45 GMT -5
I know some don't think so, but the AAA/CMLL thing seems like it's always going to be a fly in the ointment.
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Post by toodarkmark on Jun 20, 2019 16:47:48 GMT -5
I think they will be working together in 2020. But if not, why can't AEW explore a relationship with All Japan? Or another company? The problem is after New Japan, it kinda plummets. There's a similar dichotomy going on where New Japan has the largest pull in the country while the other promotions lack the influence they once did. Yeah but that can change. NJPW was down for a while and built themselves up again. Why can't the Elite create a huge buzz with a DDT?
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 20, 2019 17:44:05 GMT -5
Is DDT even a serious company? The stuff I've seen is this really out there joke wrestling stuff, like Suzuki and that other dude fighting in an empty Tokyo Dome, or the blow up doll stuff, or whatever.
There isn't a rush here. AEW can go just fine with what they've got few the time being and then I would bet you'll see some real negotiations in early January since there will no doubt be some major AEW names at WK (Jericho, Moxley, possibly Omega). Right now NJPW doesn't really need AEW other than for an odd U.S. show or something but if we revisit this topic in 6 months it may be different. AEW might have a hit TNT show, ROH might continue to struggle, and NJPW might wonder why they're bothering with these jobbers.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jun 20, 2019 17:46:47 GMT -5
I hope NJPW never works with AEW.
Im not interested in New Japan becoming a soldier state for them.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jun 20, 2019 17:50:31 GMT -5
Is DDT even a serious company? The stuff I've seen is this really out there joke wrestling stuff, like Suzuki and that other dude fighting in an empty Tokyo Dome, or the blow up doll stuff, or whatever. Lol yes. They regularly put on matches that go toe to toe with and frequently outclass NJPW moty hype matches. They have a heavy comedy appeal and whatnot, but they have just as serious stories as you’ll find anywhere and they’re the third biggest company in Japan. Gifs are not the be all end all of them. Kenny owes his career to them.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 20, 2019 17:51:28 GMT -5
I hope NJPW never works with AEW. Im not interested in New Japan becoming a soldier state for them. I don't have a problem with them giving some talents (Juice, Finlay, Henare, maybe some Young Lions) permission to work AEW shows in the US as long as they don't conflict with NJPW's schedule, but I don't think I'd want NJPW bending over just to get access to Omega again. Or AEW bending over to get access to Okada.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 20, 2019 17:52:17 GMT -5
Is DDT even a serious company? The stuff I've seen is this really out there joke wrestling stuff, like Suzuki and that other dude fighting in an empty Tokyo Dome, or the blow up doll stuff, or whatever. Lol yes. They regularly put on matches that go toe to toe with and frequently outclass NJPW moty hype matches. They have a heavy comedy appeal and whatnot, but they have just as serious stories as you’ll find anywhere and they’re the third biggest company in Japan. Gifs are not the be all end all of them. Kenny owes his career to them. I just wish that Brandon Stroud wasn't part of their official title lineage, Heavymetalweight or not.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jun 20, 2019 17:54:03 GMT -5
I hope NJPW never works with AEW. Im not interested in New Japan becoming a soldier state for them. I don't have a problem with them giving some talents (Juice, Finlay, Henare, maybe some Young Lions) permission to work AEW shows in the US as long as they don't conflict with NJPW's schedule, but I don't think I'd want NJPW bending over just to get access to Omega again. Or AEW bending over to get access to Okada. I just have no interest in any of AEW’s guys and would rather see NJPW break free of the Elite preferential booking that marred a lot of their shows last year. Just my opinion though. I think the new japan talent deserves more than to be bonus talent on the Cody show.
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Post by corndog on Jun 20, 2019 18:28:14 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with them giving some talents (Juice, Finlay, Henare, maybe some Young Lions) permission to work AEW shows in the US as long as they don't conflict with NJPW's schedule, but I don't think I'd want NJPW bending over just to get access to Omega again. Or AEW bending over to get access to Okada. I just have no interest in any of AEW’s guys and would rather see NJPW break free of the Elite preferential booking that marred a lot of their shows last year. Just my opinion though. I think the new japan talent deserves more than to be bonus talent on the Cody show. I agree, New Japan has been great since the Elite left. I still want to see AEW do well and give Vince a kick in the balls, but I just hope they don't against what they said and end up following in the same steps of the WWE. They said they want all wrestling to have open doors, but not letting Moxley work the US doesn't feel like an open door.
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Jun 20, 2019 18:34:26 GMT -5
I don’t even blame AEaw for keeping Ambrose off the NJPW Dallas shows. I’d assume they’re paying him quite a bit and it’s not unreasonable to want to be the place he has his first non indie post wwe match on American soil He worked shows in CT and New Jersey this past weekend...
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Jun 20, 2019 18:37:53 GMT -5
Post match promo from Moxley’s first US match after leaving the WWE.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jun 20, 2019 18:52:53 GMT -5
I don’t think they need each other. Or would benefit from working together. For years, maybe.
New Japans got a lot of momentum atm. AEW is still figuring itself out. Just be cool and understanding with the shared talent whilst respecting contractual guidelines and stay the f*** away from each other.
Nj can just keep feeding off of ROHs mangled corpses foot
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 20, 2019 19:55:06 GMT -5
I don’t even blame AEaw for keeping Ambrose off the NJPW Dallas shows. I’d assume they’re paying him quite a bit and it’s not unreasonable to want to be the place he has his first non indie post wwe match on American soil He worked shows in CT and New Jersey this past weekend... Think the key difference would be if the events are televised. G1 in Dallas will be on Axs, AEW's shows until the fall will be on a big streaming platform, etc., that's what they likely don't want mussed up. Plus, again, G1 in Dallas is competing in the same level market as AEW's summer shows for tickets given the audience each draw from. As for AEW partnerships, I think we're going to have to seek a clear understanding of what "partnership" will mean in all these cases. There's the type of official partnership like NJPW has with CMLL for young boy excursions and talent exchanges; there's the sort of soft partnership like Impact has had with NOAH where some talents will fly over in either direction for big cards or tournaments; and there could be very casual relationships in which two companies are just cool with coming together for a few big matches now and then that'll get eyes on both promotions (e.g. say that NJPW and AEW ever cooperated to stage Okada vs. Omega in the United States, as a hypothetical). Right now, there's no real knowing what most of these will look like. They seem to have a pretty clear partnership with OWE, the Young Bucks have obviously been working against the Lucha Bros. on AAA cards, they'e tried to navigate PAC being Dragon Gate champion, Kenny appeared (via video) at a DDT show to announce Michael Nakazawa would still get to work in Japan as well as AEW, etc., all of these are varying levels of cooperation that may or may not actually reach the level of "partnership". Nothing's crystal clear yet.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 20, 2019 20:00:55 GMT -5
I just have no interest in any of AEW’s guys and would rather see NJPW break free of the Elite preferential booking that marred a lot of their shows last year. Just my opinion though. I think the new japan talent deserves more than to be bonus talent on the Cody show. I agree, New Japan has been great since the Elite left. I still want to see AEW do well and give Vince a kick in the balls, but I just hope they don't against what they said and end up following in the same steps of the WWE. They said they want all wrestling to have open doors, but not letting Moxley work the US doesn't feel like an open door. They've been mostly good, but it wasn't an overnight "everything's great!" kind of thing. Honestly, Bullet Club was complete shit for a bit there, before Gedo or Tama realized, wait, no one cares about Tama Tonga in single matches and likely never will.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 20, 2019 22:25:26 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing up the DDT thing. It seems like all I ever see is the weird and wacky stuff, so I wondered if they did actual wrestling.
Was there ever a bigger flop of an angle than the whole Firing Squad attack on The Elite? I joked at the time that a bunch of opening match goofs attacked the guys in the main event and was baffled as to where any of it would go. It went nowhere, just these guys running in and ruining a bunch of matches at the G1 last year. I guess the GOD won the tag titles from the Bucks, but that's about it. I think that has kinda hurt this incarnation of the BC. They never really forced out the previous leader and the other guys as much as those guys simply quit and walked away.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 21, 2019 6:24:00 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing up the DDT thing. It seems like all I ever see is the weird and wacky stuff, so I wondered if they did actual wrestling. Was there ever a bigger flop of an angle than the whole Firing Squad attack on The Elite? I joked at the time that a bunch of opening match goofs attacked the guys in the main event and was baffled as to where any of it would go. It went nowhere, just these guys running in and ruining a bunch of matches at the G1 last year. I guess the GOD won the tag titles from the Bucks, but that's about it. I think that has kinda hurt this incarnation of the BC. They never really forced out the previous leader and the other guys as much as those guys simply quit and walked away. I suppose we briefly got that whole "Kota Ibushi tags with Chase Owens" thing out of it. Good times, they don't come back.
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Post by BitterAF on Jun 21, 2019 6:33:18 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing up the DDT thing. It seems like all I ever see is the weird and wacky stuff, so I wondered if they did actual wrestling. Was there ever a bigger flop of an angle than the whole Firing Squad attack on The Elite? I joked at the time that a bunch of opening match goofs attacked the guys in the main event and was baffled as to where any of it would go. It went nowhere, just these guys running in and ruining a bunch of matches at the G1 last year. I guess the GOD won the tag titles from the Bucks, but that's about it. I think that has kinda hurt this incarnation of the BC. They never really forced out the previous leader and the other guys as much as those guys simply quit and walked away. Agreed. Considering he won the IWGP championship, Jay White dethrowing Omega a year or so after offering him a chance to join Bullet Club would have been a nice now on the rivalry. It's a shame really on Jericho's podcast on the cruise they say they are no longer BC and two months later this Elite are done with NJPW.
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Jun 21, 2019 8:40:00 GMT -5
I suppose we briefly got that whole "Kota Ibushi tags with Chase Owens" thing out of it. Good times, they don't come back. Kota teaming with Yujiro and Chase was super weird and great.
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Post by corndog on Jun 21, 2019 9:15:08 GMT -5
I agree, New Japan has been great since the Elite left. I still want to see AEW do well and give Vince a kick in the balls, but I just hope they don't against what they said and end up following in the same steps of the WWE. They said they want all wrestling to have open doors, but not letting Moxley work the US doesn't feel like an open door. They've been mostly good, but it wasn't an overnight "everything's great!" kind of thing. Honestly, Bullet Club was complete shit for a bit there, before Gedo or Tama realized, wait, no one cares about Tama Tonga in single matches and likely never will. That is why I said, since they left. The transitional period leading up to that was not very good. New Japan felt completely overbooked and then there was the whole the Elite/part-time gaijins have all of the belts and aren't appearing on most of the shows. Felt like Gedo had to rush everything to get things in place for life after the Elite. The Bullet Club trying to ruin the G1, no payoff between the Elite/Bullet Club and Naito just being an afterthought were pretty bad. Jay White/Gedo's turn, Tanahashi's G1, and Okada/Tanahashi teaming up were all pretty good booking. Omega/Tanahashi was a fantastic match with great storytelling, but Omega's title run was rough to say the least.
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