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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 21, 2019 10:09:25 GMT -5
I wonder how far back The Elite guys were planning AEW. Was it when All In sold out initially? Or after the PPV actually happened? In a way I can see why NJPW wouldn't be terribly thrilled with these guys, given that they basically let them do all sorts of stuff last year, put various belts on them, and then they used that hype to start their own promotion. The Elite didn't leave them high and dry or anything. They did drop belts and do business on the way out, same as they did with ROH. But realistically speaking no one cares these days about that sort of thing. ROH was heavily involved in All In, but afterwards couldn't really capitalize on it.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 21, 2019 10:24:25 GMT -5
I wonder how far back The Elite guys were planning AEW. Was it when All In sold out initially? Or after the PPV actually happened? In a way I can see why NJPW wouldn't be terribly thrilled with these guys, given that they basically let them do all sorts of stuff last year, put various belts on them, and then they used that hype to start their own promotion. The Elite didn't leave them high and dry or anything. They did drop belts and do business on the way out, same as they did with ROH. But realistically speaking no one cares these days about that sort of thing. ROH was heavily involved in All In, but afterwards couldn't really capitalize on it. It seemed pretty obvious what they were going to do by the time the Jeri-cruise rolled around. |
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jun 21, 2019 10:26:43 GMT -5
I wonder how far back The Elite guys were planning AEW. Was it when All In sold out initially? Or after the PPV actually happened? In a way I can see why NJPW wouldn't be terribly thrilled with these guys, given that they basically let them do all sorts of stuff last year, put various belts on them, and then they used that hype to start their own promotion. The Elite didn't leave them high and dry or anything. They did drop belts and do business on the way out, same as they did with ROH. But realistically speaking no one cares these days about that sort of thing. ROH was heavily involved in All In, but afterwards couldn't really capitalize on it. I think they probably had the idea of "Hey, would this work?" and then used All In as their proof of concept. Once it did gangbusters, they were off to the races. |
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Post by Malibu Albino on Jun 21, 2019 10:56:10 GMT -5
I wonder how far back The Elite guys were planning AEW. Was it when All In sold out initially? Or after the PPV actually happened? In a way I can see why NJPW wouldn't be terribly thrilled with these guys, given that they basically let them do all sorts of stuff last year, put various belts on them, and then they used that hype to start their own promotion. The Elite didn't leave them high and dry or anything. They did drop belts and do business on the way out, same as they did with ROH. But realistically speaking no one cares these days about that sort of thing. ROH was heavily involved in All In, but afterwards couldn't really capitalize on it. Tony Khan was at All In and the various stories go that he first contacted Matt Jackson about starting up a company before talking to all of the Elite that were leaving ROH. I would assume All In was the big moment that showed they could make a run at being a legit competitor. |
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Post by corndog on Jun 21, 2019 11:17:37 GMT -5
I wonder how far back The Elite guys were planning AEW. Was it when All In sold out initially? Or after the PPV actually happened? In a way I can see why NJPW wouldn't be terribly thrilled with these guys, given that they basically let them do all sorts of stuff last year, put various belts on them, and then they used that hype to start their own promotion. The Elite didn't leave them high and dry or anything. They did drop belts and do business on the way out, same as they did with ROH. But realistically speaking no one cares these days about that sort of thing. ROH was heavily involved in All In, but afterwards couldn't really capitalize on it. Looking up the rumors really started floating around late September/October. So I am guessing Khan reached out to them after the PPV, but who really knows how long the talks were going on. By the time the rumors were swirling, Jericho, Ross, Cody and the Bucks were the names thrown out there. A lot happened with the Elite/Bullet Club restructuring in September, making me think New Japan was somewhat aware, but at the same time it allowed the Elite to have complete control over their merchandise, something they complained about with Bullet Club. The Elite did do business, but it was obvious in 2018, New Japan was catering heavily to them. The biggest loss was using Okada's record breaking title reign to help put Kenny over. However, not sure who else would have got that spot as he beat everyone. Naito's story arc is the G1/Wrestle Kingdom and Tanahashi's G1 victory was a great story. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 21, 2019 11:27:28 GMT -5
I wonder how far back The Elite guys were planning AEW. Was it when All In sold out initially? Or after the PPV actually happened? In a way I can see why NJPW wouldn't be terribly thrilled with these guys, given that they basically let them do all sorts of stuff last year, put various belts on them, and then they used that hype to start their own promotion. The Elite didn't leave them high and dry or anything. They did drop belts and do business on the way out, same as they did with ROH. But realistically speaking no one cares these days about that sort of thing. ROH was heavily involved in All In, but afterwards couldn't really capitalize on it. Looking up the rumors really started floating around late September/October. So I am guessing Khan reached out to them after the PPV, but who really knows how long the talks were going on. By the time the rumors were swirling, Jericho, Ross, Cody and the Bucks were the names thrown out there. A lot happened with the Elite/Bullet Club restructuring in September, making me think New Japan was somewhat aware, but at the same time it allowed the Elite to have complete control over their merchandise, something they complained about with Bullet Club. The Elite did do business, but it was obvious in 2018, New Japan was catering heavily to them. The biggest loss was using Okada's record breaking title reign to help put Kenny over. However, not sure who else would have got that spot as he beat everyone. Naito's story arc is the G1/Wrestle Kingdom and Tanahashi's G1 victory was a great story. Cody getting IWGP title shots without ever having to do the G1 was pretty janky. If you don't trust him to be in the G1, how do you trust him to be in a main event match? |
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Post by corndog on Jun 21, 2019 11:33:19 GMT -5
Looking up the rumors really started floating around late September/October. So I am guessing Khan reached out to them after the PPV, but who really knows how long the talks were going on. By the time the rumors were swirling, Jericho, Ross, Cody and the Bucks were the names thrown out there. A lot happened with the Elite/Bullet Club restructuring in September, making me think New Japan was somewhat aware, but at the same time it allowed the Elite to have complete control over their merchandise, something they complained about with Bullet Club. The Elite did do business, but it was obvious in 2018, New Japan was catering heavily to them. The biggest loss was using Okada's record breaking title reign to help put Kenny over. However, not sure who else would have got that spot as he beat everyone. Naito's story arc is the G1/Wrestle Kingdom and Tanahashi's G1 victory was a great story. Cody getting IWGP title shots without ever having to do the G1 was pretty janky. If you don't trust him to be in the G1, how do you trust him to be in a main event match? Definitely, let alone two title shots and then winning the US title for no reason at all. I don't miss Cody and the Bucks in New Japan at all. While Kenny was great, it's nice to see other people get some time in the sun instead. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 21, 2019 11:51:51 GMT -5
Is it really all that complicated? They not their yet and won’t be for a while
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Post by corndog on Jun 21, 2019 12:27:48 GMT -5
Is it really all that complicated? They not their yet and won’t be for a while Just used the title from where I got this. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 21, 2019 13:03:53 GMT -5
I wonder how far back The Elite guys were planning AEW. Was it when All In sold out initially? Or after the PPV actually happened? In a way I can see why NJPW wouldn't be terribly thrilled with these guys, given that they basically let them do all sorts of stuff last year, put various belts on them, and then they used that hype to start their own promotion. The Elite didn't leave them high and dry or anything. They did drop belts and do business on the way out, same as they did with ROH. But realistically speaking no one cares these days about that sort of thing. ROH was heavily involved in All In, but afterwards couldn't really capitalize on it. Looking up the rumors really started floating around late September/October. So I am guessing Khan reached out to them after the PPV, but who really knows how long the talks were going on. By the time the rumors were swirling, Jericho, Ross, Cody and the Bucks were the names thrown out there. A lot happened with the Elite/Bullet Club restructuring in September, making me think New Japan was somewhat aware, but at the same time it allowed the Elite to have complete control over their merchandise, something they complained about with Bullet Club. The Elite did do business, but it was obvious in 2018, New Japan was catering heavily to them. The biggest loss was using Okada's record breaking title reign to help put Kenny over. However, not sure who else would have got that spot as he beat everyone. Naito's story arc is the G1/Wrestle Kingdom and Tanahashi's G1 victory was a great story. I was fine with it, given Okada/Omega had their rivalry, and while Naito beating him instead would have been good, obviously, Omega was the second most obvious choice. Shame he spent so much of his reign nursing injuries. |
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 21, 2019 14:00:30 GMT -5
The problem is that eventually they had to give Omega a win, because if he hadn't he would have stayed around NJPW longer. Basically he was going to hang around as long as it took to get the IWGP title, but if he hadn't won it he would be a choker and not worth much.
The Elite leaving NJPW didn't really hurt much aside from the loss of Omega. ROH on the other hand....
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Post by corndog on Jun 21, 2019 15:05:30 GMT -5
The problem is that eventually they had to give Omega a win, because if he hadn't he would have stayed around NJPW longer. Basically he was going to hang around as long as it took to get the IWGP title, but if he hadn't won it he would be a choker and not worth much. The Elite leaving NJPW didn't really hurt much aside from the loss of Omega. ROH on the other hand.... In Japan they are drawing better than they have in almost 20 years before Inokiism. It appears their US shows are hurting a bit, but that is hard to tell since they are doing more now. So far the G1 in Dallas is not selling well and I wonder if it even matches the Cow Palace attendance. As far as ROH, they certainly relied more heavily on the Elite to draw crowds. However, I think they had a chance to win back fans at the MSG show and failed miserably. |
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Post by Cyno on Jun 21, 2019 15:10:37 GMT -5
G1 not drawing in Dallas probably has a lot to do with Dallas being an absolute desert for wrestling outside of something like Wrestlemania weekend. We'd have to see how New Japan draws in other cities where wrestling is more popular to more accurately judge how much of a negative the lack of the Elite is outside of NJPW's domestic market.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 21, 2019 15:11:04 GMT -5
The problem is that eventually they had to give Omega a win, because if he hadn't he would have stayed around NJPW longer. Basically he was going to hang around as long as it took to get the IWGP title, but if he hadn't won it he would be a choker and not worth much. The Elite leaving NJPW didn't really hurt much aside from the loss of Omega. ROH on the other hand.... In Japan they are drawing better than they have in almost 20 years before Inokiism. It appears their US shows are hurting a bit, but that is hard to tell since they are doing more now. So far the G1 in Dallas is not selling well and I wonder if it even matches the Cow Palace attendance. As far as ROH, they certainly relied more heavily on the Elite to draw crowds. However, I think they had a chance to win back fans at the MSG show and failed miserably. It takes a special sort of genius to book Enzo f***ing Amore on the same card as Kazuchika Okada. |
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jun 21, 2019 15:58:36 GMT -5
In Japan they are drawing better than they have in almost 20 years before Inokiism. It appears their US shows are hurting a bit, but that is hard to tell since they are doing more now. So far the G1 in Dallas is not selling well and I wonder if it even matches the Cow Palace attendance. As far as ROH, they certainly relied more heavily on the Elite to draw crowds. However, I think they had a chance to win back fans at the MSG show and failed miserably. It takes a special sort of genius to book Enzo f***ing Amore on the same card as Kazuchika Okada. I dunno if it’s true or where the rumor originates from but some on wreddit were saying ROH had the gall to insist their title match could main event the show. |
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Post by chazraps on Jun 21, 2019 16:03:10 GMT -5
Remember 5 years ago when the most complicated thing was ROH not being able to book Chris Hero because of their newfound relationship with New Japan and Hero's deal with NOAH, and then New Japan somehow wound up booking NOAH and you know what just forget I started making this post because my head hurts again unpacking this...
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Post by corndog on Jun 21, 2019 17:42:58 GMT -5
G1 not drawing in Dallas probably has a lot to do with Dallas being an absolute desert for wrestling outside of something like Wrestlemania weekend. We'd have to see how New Japan draws in other cities where wrestling is more popular to more accurately judge how much of a negative the lack of the Elite is outside of NJPW's domestic market. Still don't know why they haven't done a show in Chicago. Non-WWE wrestling always drew well there, and it's easy to travel from several other major cities as well. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 21, 2019 18:23:10 GMT -5
Is it really all that complicated? They not their yet and won’t be for a while Just used the title from where I got this. Don't get me wrong, wasn't targeting you I was talking in general Just seems like a lot of people assumed that AEW and NJPW was going to be this relationship from jump not considering extra factors |
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 21, 2019 20:08:53 GMT -5
Latest update I'm reading on G1 in Dallas is that they're likely going to end up selling something closer to 8,000-10,000 tickets (not at all scientific, haven't seen the numbers myself); that'd be pretty solid, and would be their biggest non-MSG crowd in the US, but it'd still look odd in the closer to 20,000 capacity American Airlines Arena. Cuban must've really made it worth their while.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 21, 2019 20:14:53 GMT -5
Latest update I'm reading on G1 in Dallas is that they're likely going to end up selling something closer to 8,000-10,000 tickets (not at all scientific, haven't seen the numbers myself); that'd be pretty solid, and would be their biggest non-MSG crowd in the US, but it'd still look odd in the closer to 20,000 capacity American Airlines Arena. Cuban must've really made it worth their while. I'm always up for good wrestling to get more international views. Some people knock NJPW on Omega winning the title and then leaving but that was the way I checked the promotion out in the first place. So keep on the US, NJPW |
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