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Post by corndog on Jun 20, 2019 11:14:50 GMT -5
www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/c2vgkz/won_aew_and_new_japans_complicated_relationship/Of course this is second hand from r/SquaredCircle, so if a WON subscriber can confirm/add to the report that would help. "It’s notable that New Japan put its U.S. title on a guy who can’t even work for them in the U.S. It’s still up in the air whether Moxley will be recognized as champion or wear the belt at Fyter Fest, which, ultimately is both up to Tony Khan agreeing to it as well as New Japan agreeing to it. He did neither on his independent dates with Northeast Wrestling this past weekend. This shows how much things have changed, and not for the better between the two sides. Earlier this year, when New Japan had the visa issues that kept all of their Japanese talent off an American tour, and AEW was just starting, it was noted that they could have saved the tour in the eyes of the fans by using Omega. Some of the dates were when Omega was under control so they could have used him no matter what. One or two dates would have been after the contract expired, at which point he may have signed with AEW, but AEW had no problems with allowing him to work the entire tour. Of course New Japan didn’t even think in that direction nor have they made a play for Omega so far this year. But it’s gone from wanting to build a relationship to that no longer being the case." I think Moxley not being allowed to work the G1 in Dallas hurt things a lot. Not sure where the bitterness is coming from and why they can't just make a no-compete clause that means New Japan can't use their talent in the US when they are running a show. The only party I can imagine has a real problem are the Bucks, since they cried a few months ago about their New Japan pay. Kenny has a clause in his contract that allows him to work New Japan when he wants.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 11:40:37 GMT -5
Do NJPW and ROH actually have a written agreement with an end date or is it just a handshake thing?
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Post by corndog on Jun 20, 2019 12:14:13 GMT -5
Do NJPW and ROH actually have a written agreement with an end date or is it just a handshake thing? Not sure if there is an actual contract, but a handshake agreement actually means something in Japan.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 20, 2019 12:40:38 GMT -5
It doesn't sound like a very complicated relationship at all.
NJPW isn't working with AEW, AEW isn't working with NJPW. The guys who have contracts that allow them to work both won't be able to work NJPW shows in America.
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Post by eJm on Jun 20, 2019 12:52:35 GMT -5
It doesn't sound like a very complicated relationship at all. NJPW isn't working with AEW, AEW isn't working with NJPW. The guys who have contracts that allow them to work both won't be able to work NJPW shows in America. That’s honestly how it reads to me, yeah. I’m shocked there is as much outrage about it because, well, of course that’d be the case. And I don’t even know why those Northeast Wrestling shows were brought up unless, like, they just made a deal with NJPW or something.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Jun 20, 2019 12:53:11 GMT -5
One factor that I imagine plays into the complicated relationship has to do with Mexico. AEW is aligned with AAA, NJPW with CMLL. If I recall these two Mexican promotions can't stand one another.
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Post by domrep on Jun 20, 2019 12:58:51 GMT -5
Too much politics and NJPW is too loyal to sever ties with ROH even though they are bottoming out.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 20, 2019 13:01:40 GMT -5
There is no working relationship at the moment, which isn't to say there'd never be one, but that's where things are at the moment.
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Post by toodarkmark on Jun 20, 2019 13:42:24 GMT -5
I think they will be working together in 2020. But if not, why can't AEW explore a relationship with All Japan? Or another company?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 13:48:54 GMT -5
The ONLY way they end up working together (unless there is more underlying beef between the two) is if and when AEW ends their relationship with AAA since again NJPW is fiercly loyal to CMLL.
And from what I gathered the only reason for the AEW and AAA relationship is because that is what allows AEW to use Penta and Fenix.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jun 20, 2019 13:48:59 GMT -5
I think they will be working together in 2020. But if not, why can't AEW explore a relationship with All Japan? Or another company? Uncle Jun will always listen.
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Jun 20, 2019 14:22:40 GMT -5
I think they will be working together in 2020. But if not, why can't AEW explore a relationship with All Japan? Or another company? The Bucks and Kenny have shown a certain loyalty to New Japan as the place that helped build them into draws. But more towards your point, Kenny has a big loyalty to DDT (and the associated Tokyo Joshi Pro) which has materialized in a number of ways, and DDT is likely to have a formal relationship with AEW with talent crossover. Hopefully this leads to Joey Janela wrestling in a water park.
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Post by 111111 on Jun 20, 2019 14:27:01 GMT -5
I don’t even blame AEaw for keeping Ambrose off the NJPW Dallas shows.
I’d assume they’re paying him quite a bit and it’s not unreasonable to want to be the place he has his first non indie post wwe match on American soil
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Post by Dub H on Jun 20, 2019 14:29:22 GMT -5
I don’t even blame AEaw for keeping Ambrose off the NJPW Dallas shows. I’d assume they’re paying him quite a bit and it’s not unreasonable to want to be the place he has his first non indie post wwe match on American soil I assume the first match on US for Moxley should be a pretty big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 15:04:24 GMT -5
I think they will be working together in 2020. But if not, why can't AEW explore a relationship with All Japan? Or another company? The problem is after New Japan, it kinda plummets. There's a similar dichotomy going on where New Japan has the largest pull in the country while the other promotions lack the influence they once did.
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Post by corndog on Jun 20, 2019 15:07:00 GMT -5
I don’t even blame AEaw for keeping Ambrose off the NJPW Dallas shows. I’d assume they’re paying him quite a bit and it’s not unreasonable to want to be the place he has his first non indie post wwe match on American soil Fyter Fest is June 29th and the G1 show is July 6th, AEW would still have Moxley's first non-indy match in the US. I also wonder how long New Japan knew about this and that is the reason they put him in the B block, so it would be easier to pull him from the show.
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Post by eJm on Jun 20, 2019 15:19:41 GMT -5
I don’t even blame AEaw for keeping Ambrose off the NJPW Dallas shows. I’d assume they’re paying him quite a bit and it’s not unreasonable to want to be the place he has his first non indie post wwe match on American soil Fyter Fest is June 29th and the G1 show is July 6th, AEW would still have Moxley's first non-indy match in the US. I also wonder how long New Japan knew about this and that is the reason they put him in the B block, so it would be easier to pull him from the show. I’d be shocked if they weren’t aware of that from the negotiations of signing him on since it was done separately from anything AEW related.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 20, 2019 15:20:10 GMT -5
It doesn't sound like a very complicated relationship at all. NJPW isn't working with AEW, AEW isn't working with NJPW. The guys who have contracts that allow them to work both won't be able to work NJPW shows in America. Yeah, not seeing much beyond that. I guess there's the issue of whether they could've used Omega during the New Beginning USA mini-tour, but that doesn't seem to smack of some kind of strained relationship. I said it in a different thread, but I bet that at some point there'll be a limited relationship between the two; won't be a full-on talent share or what have you, but the kind of thing where each company might allow a big star or two to appear on major cards in the other promotion. As things stand both AEW and NJPW are set to be in, or already in, alliances where they get to be the big dollar player, which means more exposure for the promotions with smaller global footprints; I see that as a good thing, as opposed to AEW and NJPW just aligning in a single team-up.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 20, 2019 15:24:24 GMT -5
I don't think the AAA thing is necessarily a stumbling block. If there's some agreement that NJPW talent would never be wrestling AAA ones, it would probably assuage those fears.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Jun 20, 2019 16:10:37 GMT -5
I think they will be working together in 2020. But if not, why can't AEW explore a relationship with All Japan? Or another company? The problem is after New Japan, it kinda plummets. There's a similar dichotomy going on where New Japan has the largest pull in the country while the other promotions lack the influence they once did. DDT and Dragon Gate would be the best available options, given that NOAH is linked to Impact but in terms of size, it's not a great comparison.
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