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Post by MrElijah on Jul 16, 2019 16:19:45 GMT -5
Making this a "Man, this generation can't handle negativity" thing is honestly pretty dumb to me. Considering how WWE works as a company, the issue is more "These people aren't trained to deal with crowds because they're constantly performing to a hard cam repeatedly" because 99% of indie shows I have ever been to HAVE to perform to a crowd so everyone sees what's going on since, well, there aren't giant screens at most indie shows. I still think Alexa is wrong but honestly, this has been a WWE problem ever since WCW shut down. They don't want people performing to a crowd outside of house shows. Hell, they'll bash crowds if they're quiet so there's no winning situation here. I'll say it before, and I'll say it again: WWE has the means to get people ready to work, but doesn't WANT to. They have the playbook, from various ways and styles of Wrestling, but no. They rather have cookies cutter shit 90% of the time to control the narrative to a T.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jul 16, 2019 16:22:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I truly don’t understand why people online get so angry/disappointed at the wrestlers for voicing their personal frustrations; Same shit happened with Seth as well. Like, yeah they’re characters, but they’re also humans underneath those characters. She isn’t demanding anyone to enjoy the match, but she personally felt slighted that the match got shat on. On top of that, she gets shit from podcasters, fans, Twitter DMs, etc. I’m surprised it’s took her this long to crack tbh. It really isn’t that big of a deal since it’s her opinion. Yeah, I didn't mind the Seth stuff either since that's his opinion. It's no different than fans saying "hey we don't like this" except in the case of fans, their opinions aren't seen much. It's like people's opinions on what a woman's gear looks like. Yeah it's your opinion but shit. Just my opinion, but a long sleeve shirt/shorts combo on anyone looks stupid usually.
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Post by BatPunk on Jul 16, 2019 16:28:37 GMT -5
I don’t think Alexa is taking this as a personal slap to herself, but to all the women involved. And I understand it and agree with this.
However, If the crowd is unhappy, direct the chants directly at Vince. A “Who booked this shit” or a “Fire Vince” is going to have much more impact that insulting the women who are out there doing what they’re told to because of ‘booking’
I would love to see another period of “Hijack Raw” where all the chants are directed at management.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 16:34:49 GMT -5
Somebody claimed (and to be fair, could be BS) she was crying during the match because of the reactions. I love Alexa, but what the f*** happened to her? She used to be such a good heel. The reactions weren't even THAT bad. Orton and Sheamus have gone through way worse.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jul 16, 2019 16:41:15 GMT -5
She was booked as the Triple H of the division until injuries caught up with her, so I can understand going from that high to...whatever the f*** was that last night. But the "This is awful!" chants are like, they're not bad. "BORING" chants are a lot more disrespectful and they've got nothing on some of the more uh, creative chants I've heard at indie shows. I personally see nothing wrong with the BORING chants. If anything I wish it happened more as it would be a wake up call for WWE to put on more exciting unpredictable shows. The only chants I hated were the “YOU SUCK CENA/YOU SUCK TYSON” chants... those were disgustingly bad. I don’t even find the “YOU f***ED UP” chants that bad. If anything I find it funny. Yeah, the "You f***ed up!" chants should really be like the "You Suck!" chants for Angle. I assume these guys grew up watching wrestling and ECW, so if they get that chant, they should just smile, laugh, and say, "Yeah, I totally did." Fans would appreciate the self-deprecating humor. But as for that slow motion train wreck last night? Wow, the match was a long drawn out mess. Wrestlers fault? Not entirely, but man...the crowd is spending decent money to go to these shows. You serve them shit, don't expect them to smile and swallow it. I went to Raw years ago where we had a tag team gauntlet match or something. Jesus, it seemed to go on forever, and it got a "Boring" chant. They should have backup plans for when they need to switch things up or just mercy kill a segment or match. And was that Nikki shit planned, improvised, or was she told at some point to do that, because even that was cringe inducing.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jul 16, 2019 17:09:17 GMT -5
“The trouble with most of us is that we would rather be ruined by praise than saved by criticism." - Norman Vincent Peale I kinda want to print that quote and post it on the wall.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 16, 2019 17:17:08 GMT -5
Is the absolutely brilliant "no wrestling during commercial breaks" thing WWE's idea or USA's mandate?
Then again, WWE could also book more matches that only last a segment but common sense is apparently not a thing that exists there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 17:19:37 GMT -5
Is the absolutely brilliant "no wrestling during commercial breaks" thing WWE's idea or USA's mandate? Then again, WWE could also book more matches that only last a segment but common sense is apparently not a thing that exists there. From what’s been alluded? It’s all Vince.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 16, 2019 17:21:14 GMT -5
I don’t think Alexa is taking this as a personal slap to herself, but to all the women involved. And I understand it and agree with this. However, If the crowd is unhappy, direct the chants directly at Vince. A “Who booked this shit” or a “Fire Vince” is going to have much more impact that insulting the women who are out there doing what they’re told to because of ‘booking’ I would love to see another period of “Hijack Raw” where all the chants are directed at management. The chant was "this is awful." That's about as directed-to-not-one-particular-person as one can get, really.
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Post by freeze Austin on Jul 16, 2019 17:24:44 GMT -5
Making this a "Man, this generation can't handle negativity" thing is honestly pretty dumb to me. Considering how WWE works as a company, the issue is more "These people aren't trained to deal with crowds because they're constantly performing to a hard cam repeatedly" because 99% of indie shows I have ever been to HAVE to perform to a crowd so everyone sees what's going on since, well, there aren't giant screens at most indie shows. I still think Alexa is wrong but honestly, this has been a WWE problem ever since WCW shut down. They don't want people performing to a crowd outside of house shows. Hell, they'll bash crowds if they're quiet so there's no winning situation here. It does seem to me that the talent who worked in the indies and all over the world are MUCH better at taking criticism and using it to work crowds than the talent who only know the WWE cookie cutter system and way of doing things. Well, other than Rollins.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Jul 16, 2019 17:25:30 GMT -5
“The trouble with most of us is that we would rather be ruined by praise than saved by criticism." - Norman Vincent Peale I kinda want to print that quote and post it on the wall. I think it should be in every pro wrestling locker room.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 17:25:41 GMT -5
I don’t think Alexa is taking this as a personal slap to herself, but to all the women involved. And I understand it and agree with this. However, If the crowd is unhappy, direct the chants directly at Vince. A “Who booked this shit” or a “Fire Vince” is going to have much more impact that insulting the women who are out there doing what they’re told to because of ‘booking’ I would love to see another period of “Hijack Raw” where all the chants are directed at management. The chant was "this is awful." That's about as directed-to-not-one-particular-person as one can get, really. "This match is of inferior quality but we don't necessarily put the blame on any of the onscreen performers involved!" *clap clap clapclapclap*
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 16, 2019 17:27:12 GMT -5
Well at least she didn't have her boyfriend take any of the chanters into the back to be threatened, huh?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jul 16, 2019 17:31:23 GMT -5
Well at least she didn't have her boyfriend take any of the chanters into the back to be threatened, huh? Alexa must have not seen any evil intent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 17:31:38 GMT -5
Somebody claimed (and to be fair, could be BS) she was crying during the match because of the reactions. I love Alexa, but what the f*** happened to her? She used to be such a good heel. The reactions weren't even THAT bad. Orton and Sheamus have gone through way worse. This is what I have been wondering what the hell happened to the Alexa that got WHAT chanted her and was not rattled and played right back with a rather witty retort if I remember. Almost like she got nerfed at some point because she was getting a little too over at the time idk would not be the first time though
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 16, 2019 17:36:35 GMT -5
Making this a "Man, this generation can't handle negativity" thing is honestly pretty dumb to me. Considering how WWE works as a company, the issue is more "These people aren't trained to deal with crowds because they're constantly performing to a hard cam repeatedly" because 99% of indie shows I have ever been to HAVE to perform to a crowd so everyone sees what's going on since, well, there aren't giant screens at most indie shows. I still think Alexa is wrong but honestly, this has been a WWE problem ever since WCW shut down. They don't want people performing to a crowd outside of house shows. Hell, they'll bash crowds if they're quiet so there's no winning situation here. It does seem to me that the talent who worked in the indies and all over the world are MUCH better at taking criticism and using it to work crowds than the talent who only know the WWE cookie cutter system and way of doing things. Well, other than Rollins. Even Rollins apologized on camera for having that shitty PPV match with Ambrose a while back, though there's other instances of him blaming fans (like the Universal title fiasco).
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jul 16, 2019 17:58:29 GMT -5
I’d like to see some of these WWE donks who have never been outside the WWE umbrella work in front of a real wrestling crowd. Funny thing is, some of the talent going on Twitter and blaming the fans, like Xavier Woods and Paige, have worked in front of indy crowds, yet still espouse the anti-fan rhetoric. It reminds me of when Roman was at his worst in regards to booking. Crowds absolutely hated him, and it seemed like every other week, we were getting backstage reports saying that the agents and higher-ups were telling him "No, you did great, just ignore the fans! You're not doing anything wrong!" We can (and should) hold talents responsible when they say stuff like this on social media, but at the end of the day, WWE breeds this mentality of "us vs. them", whether the "them" is the independent scene, a rival company, or its own fans.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jul 16, 2019 18:14:38 GMT -5
I don’t think Alexa is taking this as a personal slap to herself, but to all the women involved. And I understand it and agree with this. However, If the crowd is unhappy, direct the chants directly at Vince. A “Who booked this shit” or a “Fire Vince” is going to have much more impact that insulting the women who are out there doing what they’re told to because of ‘booking’ I would love to see another period of “Hijack Raw” where all the chants are directed at management. Any time you perform live you run the risk of a crowd crapping on you no matter how hard you are performing. Part if being a live entertainer is knowing how to get a crowd back after you have lost them. I can’t support Alexa on this. Doesn’t matter if you were working hard. The crowd was not entertained and let you know. As a performer you need to know how to deal with it whether it’s realign the crowd back or letting your voice be heard backstage. Complaining about the fans is bs in my opinion. Rewatch the match. See what turned the crowd and do everything you can to learn from it and fix it as best you can
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Post by Hurbster on Jul 16, 2019 18:26:09 GMT -5
The match wasn't very good and went on for way too long.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 17, 2019 8:51:58 GMT -5
Yeah most fans don't say "I'm mad at who produced the match" or anything like that, it's always directed at the wrestlers themselves since they're actually in the ring. The same applies when it comes to segments as well. They're just doing what they're doing at the end of the day. People on this forum clown these wrestlers all the time when they do something (well online wrestling fans) so whenever I see a wrestler come out and say "hey I didn't like that comment" and then I see the defense responses from fans to me it's like "well shit, yall are always clowning them regardless of what they do." It's not really a matter of if the wrestler's right or wrong at a certain point but a matter of them being clowned on by fans. It's like the Ambrose stuff. Dude was clowned all the time when he was in the company but the moment he's like "man this sucked" it's like "oh hey yay Moxley is with us now he's great, clown em like we do" but the moment he denounces what fans liked (like that jokey silly stuff he hated) people keep bringing it up. I don't know. I just don't like that whole clowning wrestler culture people have going on thing. I don't even think this as a whole is a big deal as it's her opinion. Whatever's an opinion is an opinion when it comes to stuff like this. The the topic, the match was bad and Alexa's fine to have her opinion, same as though who thought it was bad. Yeah, I truly don’t understand why people online get so angry/disappointed at the wrestlers for voicing their personal frustrations; Same shit happened with Seth as well. Like, yeah they’re characters, but they’re also humans underneath those characters. She isn’t demanding anyone to enjoy the match, but she personally felt slighted that the match got shat on. On top of that, she gets shit from podcasters, fans, Twitter DMs, etc. I’m surprised it’s took her this long to crack tbh. It really isn’t that big of a deal since it’s her opinion. For me it's more this really isn't the time to be lashing out at fans (even if it is the more volitale ones). There's a huge amount of negative light on the company right now that's a lot stronger than just the onscreen prouduct not being good, so attacking the few fans they haven't yet drove away seems very counter-intuitive. You can't even say "well she probably just got vile DMs and hit a breaking point" here because she's specifically addressing the (apparently very mild) crowd. The people that paid tickets. That's not smart no matter how you slice it.
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