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Post by arrogantmodel on Jul 17, 2019 6:29:09 GMT -5
How is Triple H doing the same promo any worse or different than Heyman doing the same promo?
Brock won't even talk. It's not like he can't. Is it one of his strengths? No, but my god...he can't even be bothered to speak. Shit, I would even cut his reigns some slack if he literally did ANYTHING other than bounce around while Paul says the same shit.
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Post by Starshine on Jul 17, 2019 6:42:50 GMT -5
How is Triple H doing the same promo any worse or different than Heyman doing the same promo? Brock won't even talk. It's not like he can't. Is it one of his strengths? No, but my god...he can't even be bothered to speak. Shit, I would even cut his reigns some slack if he literally did ANYTHING other than bounce around while Paul says the same shit. Easy. One happened every week. Every week. The other happens, what, on average once or twice a month, or so?
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Post by -Lithium- on Jul 17, 2019 6:47:07 GMT -5
I'm sick of this ridiculous narrative that HHH was going over guys clean and just destroying them for 3 years. Nope. Not even close to reality. It was always due to interference or cheating. Literally always.
Also, the HHH RoT was really only terrible in 2003. By 2004 he was much, much more tolerable. By summer 04 he seemed much more secure, he eased up on the notion that RAW should be a big platform for him to cosplay as Ric Flair, and just didn't dominate the show as much.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jul 17, 2019 6:52:48 GMT -5
How is Triple H doing the same promo any worse or different than Heyman doing the same promo? Brock won't even talk. It's not like he can't. Is it one of his strengths? No, but my god...he can't even be bothered to speak. Shit, I would even cut his reigns some slack if he literally did ANYTHING other than bounce around while Paul says the same shit. Easy. One happened every week. Every week. The other happens, what, on average once or twice a month, or so? But still, when the music hits and they walk out, you're still rolling your eyes and going, "Here we go with this shit again." And again, people would interrupt Triple H, and he would get mad, and then...this is the crazy part...he would sometimes actually fight them later on. In a wrestling match. On tv. Every week. What a novel idea. At least people could take shots at Triple H and they knew the belt was in the building. Brock is gone for weeks or months. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even turn the car off when he goes out to the ring.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 17, 2019 7:07:50 GMT -5
Triple H. With Brock, you can at least argue that no one is more consistently over than him. Triple H pretty much did nothing but beat guys way more over than he was. Jericho, RVD, Booker T, Kane, Goldberg...
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 17, 2019 7:10:48 GMT -5
I really don't get how this is close. For all his faults, HHH was there every week and from a character standpoint it was clear the title meant EVERYTHING to him. He did for better or worse, take on a variety of people for said title.
Meanwhile, Brock takes the belt and hides for large chunks of time, while the roster and whatever authority figure of the moment is in charge seem to generally be fine with not having the main title on Raw. It's illogical booking and makes everyone look like an ass.
HHH's reign sucked. Brock's is a whole new level of intolerable
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Post by Starshine on Jul 17, 2019 7:14:50 GMT -5
Easy. One happened every week. Every week. The other happens, what, on average once or twice a month, or so? But still, when the music hits and they walk out, you're still rolling your eyes and going, "Here we go with this shit again." And again, people would interrupt Triple H, and he would get mad, and then...this is the crazy part...he would sometimes actually fight them later on. In a wrestling match. On tv. Every week. What a novel idea. At least people could take shots at Triple H and they knew the belt was in the building. Brock is gone for weeks or months. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even turn the car off when he goes out to the ring. Yeah, but we're also talking circa 2003 Triple H, who had a messed up groin and wrestled sluggish, shit matches. Business dropped when he was the focus of RAW. Then it rebounded a bit when he stopped being the focal point of the company. His stuff was killing their audience. Also what are you on about Lesnar not being interrupted, or actually getting physical? Check out these select RAW segments with Strowman, Balor, Rollins, Joe, Reigns, et al. That's only single examples of each too.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 17, 2019 7:27:40 GMT -5
But still, when the music hits and they walk out, you're still rolling your eyes and going, "Here we go with this shit again." And again, people would interrupt Triple H, and he would get mad, and then...this is the crazy part...he would sometimes actually fight them later on. In a wrestling match. On tv. Every week. What a novel idea. At least people could take shots at Triple H and they knew the belt was in the building. Brock is gone for weeks or months. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even turn the car off when he goes out to the ring. Yeah, but we're also talking circa 2003 Triple H, who had a messed up groin and wrestled sluggish, shit matches. Business dropped when he was the focus of RAW. Then it rebounded a bit when he stopped being the focal point of the company. His stuff was killing their audience. Also what are you on about Lesnar not being interrupted, or actually getting physical? Check out these select RAW segments with Strowman, Balor, Rollins, Joe, Reigns, et al. That's only single examples of each too. Trips was purposefully killing ratings for that true 1992 WCW experience.
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Post by nickcave on Jul 17, 2019 11:34:02 GMT -5
HHH damn near killed my interest in wrestling. EVERY Raw show begining with a 20 min segment about absolutely nothing, leading to absolute dross in the main event. Horrible horrible horrible. I could not give two shits about the universal title. The legacy is god awful. Brock could keep it forever as far as I am concerned. If he were holding the WWE title to ransom, then I would have more if a problem with it, but my opinion is they're fighting Lesnar over a title that has been absolutely f***ed from the beginning when Finn had to relinquish it almost instantly, and it's never recovered. You could argue Triple H literally being given the title to start the linage of the World Heavyweight title as tainting it from the beginning as well.
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Post by sunnytaker on Jul 17, 2019 11:37:09 GMT -5
HHH because he was there every week reminding everyone he was the Game, the champ, the best and beating everyone no matter what. brock at least wasn't taking up a good chunk of the show every week because that requires him to show up. and by dealing with only roman and braun for about half of his title run (I think seth is now only the third person to have multiple title matches with brock now, while brock was holding the title) he wasn't burying everyone in sight.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jul 17, 2019 12:14:34 GMT -5
Brock’s reign of terror didn’t try to justify racism so....
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Post by Malcolm on Jul 17, 2019 12:22:06 GMT -5
I remember the last time we had this exact same poll(which wasn't even that long ago I think) the gap between HHH and Lesnar was a bit wider with HHH ahead.
What I'm saying is that I remember we already did this poll before.
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Post by Chiral on Jul 17, 2019 12:57:46 GMT -5
With Triple H too I kinda lump in like how he's pretty much been #1 or #2 main character of the WWE from like 02 to...looong after that. No matter what they throw in some shit about how badass he is (like why was the last clip in the 06ish intro his WM18 win?? That aint meta heeling).
Looking at both their careers, the booking of him, Lesnar, Cena, and Reigns is a big part of why they're in the sorry state they're in now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 12:59:53 GMT -5
Brock’s reign of terror didn’t try to justify racism so.... True but Brock himself has made some controversial racial and homophobic statements but that's for another topic.
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Post by Kalmia on Jul 17, 2019 14:25:28 GMT -5
Brock's is probably worse for the title and the WWE as a whole, but when it comes to being a fan and watching, it's Triple H. Those long and boring promos that he did every single week nearly sent me into a coma. I don't like Brock's reign and how he just keeps coming back and stopping the title's momentum, but at least he's not boring.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 17, 2019 14:30:49 GMT -5
HHH literally booked himself to ruin careers and wasn't the draw or the star Brock was and is to justify his ludicrous push. It's not even a close contest.
Personally, I'd rank Cena's Reigns of Terror above both of them.
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Post by segaz on Jul 17, 2019 15:02:23 GMT -5
Which was worse, the one with boring suplex city, or the one where the racist wins and also necrophilia?
It's not a tough choice.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jul 17, 2019 15:16:52 GMT -5
Which was worse, the one with boring suplex city, or the one where the racist wins and also necrophilia? It's not a tough choice. Brock hitting thirty suplexes and five F-5s isn't boring? Or him laying on the floor for ten minutes during multi-man matches, only to slip in and win? With Triple H, you thought, "Ok, he's gonna get his ass whooped this time." Or he did get his ass kicked, and won through interference. Now it's just, "LOL. Brock wins."
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Post by Starshine on Jul 17, 2019 23:56:40 GMT -5
Another thing I should have mentioned regarding Trips' reign of terror that I think a lot of people might have forgotten, is that it wasn't so much about the guy hogging a belt. Despite the fact he was champion more often than not during that period, even when he wasn't he was still very much the center piece of the show regardless of who actually was champion. For example, when Benoit took the belt from him, what was the main event angle of the show? It was Triple H and Shawn Michaels, or following that, Triple H and Eugene. When Goldberg finally beat him, his only feuds for the duration of his brief reign included Triple H, and his bounty on the champion. No matter who beat him, you never felt like his shadow was ever really gone. It was why Batista eventually beating him (even though it took three goddaman matches to get there) was such a breath of fresh air, since he briefly left the show after. His presence suffocated the entire show no matter what he was doing.
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Post by benstudd on Jul 18, 2019 0:33:52 GMT -5
I never remember the timelines, was the Reign of Terror before or during Evolution? Cause I remember periods where Hunter's domination was annoying beyond belief but he was less so with Evolution cause they were an actual entertaining group with Flair and all. I do remember how I hated the Booker T and Steiner feuds but I'm not sure if it was during Evolution or not. Yes the reign of terror spanned just about the entire run of evolution I guess it's like I remember his run being awful but liking Evolution at the same time in some way.
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