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Post by Dub H on Sept 13, 2019 14:08:06 GMT -5
Cornette inspiring this kind of passion from people that like him and people that don't is kind of fascinating to me. Some stuff he says I agree with, some he's way off the mark with but I can't imagine feeling very strongly in either direction to be honest. Honestly it is mostly (for me)because of the toxic behavior of the crowd he incites and how I see similar stuff happening in a bigger scale where I live. I should just take the advise and ignore then in this smaller case.
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Post by efarns on Sept 13, 2019 15:20:17 GMT -5
Cornette inspiring this kind of passion from people that like him and people that don't is kind of fascinating to me. Some stuff he says I agree with, some he's way off the mark with but I can't imagine feeling very strongly in either direction to be honest. Thank you. He has an opinion. Nobody has to listen, but they do. If he offended somebody, or they offended him, why does anyone else feel the need to take sides?
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Sept 13, 2019 15:23:23 GMT -5
I knew a ton of people who watched both Nitro and Raw, flipping back and forth between them. And ECW on top of it. Yes, both had their own loyal audiences, but it's absurd to suggest there wasn't any crossover. We're talkin 1970s and 80s maybe even early 90's Jim Crockett promotions / WCW I would agree with the original sentiment but as you said Bischoff intentionally ran off that crowd and the fans from the 90s were flipping between both and most likely watching ECW if they had access to it.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Sept 13, 2019 15:25:06 GMT -5
Also from his podcast this week Cornette is going to be commentating the NWA Studio show reboot. Not trying to say it's on the same level as AEW just pointing out a fact that Cornette is still being contacted for work in 2019. That is the complete opposite of being irrelevant.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 13, 2019 15:27:57 GMT -5
Cornette inspiring this kind of passion from people that like him and people that don't is kind of fascinating to me. Some stuff he says I agree with, some he's way off the mark with but I can't imagine feeling very strongly in either direction to be honest. Thank you. He has an opinion. Nobody has to listen, but they do. If he offended somebody, or they offended him, why does anyone else feel the need to take sides? Given that sometimes you can't go to a Cassidy thread without someone going "cornette is right about bla bla" we kinda do. Or like this thread it had already started using Cornettes lame insults and opinions not relevant to the case,even if everyone here thinks he is in the right in this situation and no opinion about anything else was needed. Or how on the Cornette review Walter match thread we had to have people insulting people that dislike Cornette for no reason.I'm probably gonna avoid going Cornette related threads because of things like that.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Sept 13, 2019 15:33:26 GMT -5
Since people are so eager to chime in to judge Cornette I might as well give a few thoughts. I’ve said before that Cornette says outrageous stuff for reaction. He’s got a great delivery and he’s funny. He’s passionate about wrestling when it was really special. He’s managed to turn his persona into a great way for him to make a living. You never knock the hustle. He also happens to be the greatest living manager we have since we lost Bobby Heenan. His lines are usually the longest at conventions. He’s much more successful than some people will ever give him credit for.
All of that said, I personally view Cornette’s rants the same way that I view a comedian’s stand up routine. Some jokes hit, some miss. It’s still entertaining. I’ve always seen comedy the same way that many people see those Comedy Central Roasts. That anything goes. It’s very hard to offend me. I’ve heard terrible jokes that I don’t agree with but I understood the humor in them. Comedians can find humor in just about anything. I’m ok with it. If I wasn’t I wouldn’t watch or pay them any attention.
Cornette rants are obviously delivered in a very mocking comedic tone. He’s going for laughs. Some people get fired up and think it’s all hate. I’m sure some people will want to point out that Jim Cornette is not a comedian and that they know it’s a comedian’s job to be funny. You’re not really supposed to know Cornette is doing a routine so you’re free to believe what you want. You weren’t supposed to know wrestling was a work either. Cornette is old school. He’s been irritating crowds for decades. If he got to you then he’s still doing what he does best.
Some comedians still come under a lot of scrutiny just for doing their job. Dave Chappelle is getting slammed by critics for his last special. Most fans are saying it was hilarious. Myself included. I don’t feel Chappelle is truly hateful at all. You can follow whoever or whatever you find entertaining and not agree with all of their ideology. This board is full of people that rant and rave every time there’s a WWE show in Saudi Arabia yet they still follow the product. #PotKettleBlack
I’m not a member of the cult. I don’t do the toxic Twitter gimmick. The fan base can definitely get a bit cringe but so can the WWE and AEW fan base which we’re seeing more and more of recently and will probably see even more of once AEW’s show starts airing. Most of these fans are just self righteous keyboard warriors with nothing better to do. You don’t hear about them egging Joey Janela’s house or sucker punching Joey Ryan at shows. Cornette isn’t inciting anything. Most of these toxic fans are pretty harmless if you ignore them. Cornette has a hateful tone at times but much like Dave Chappelle I don’t think he’s genuinely consumed with hate either. I don’t think he loses any sleep over anyone that he says he’s annoyed with. To him it’s a job. Talk good about him or talk bad about him. Whatever you do just talk about him. It’s clearly still working.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 13, 2019 16:21:24 GMT -5
Eh, like I said I have no strong feelings one way or another, but there's no real way to paint dude's rant against Muslims some time back as 'comedy'. Regardless of whether he feels that way or not, that was some hateful shit
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 13, 2019 16:25:55 GMT -5
I've been on a Dunkin Donuts Cold Brew kick for like 2 weeks That with some Almond milk, and a little bit of cream and splenda I got a Dunkin' Donuts in the area, tried em once but was overwhelmed with the concept of ordering donuts from a drive through so I panicked and ordered some straight random crap coffee and plain donut. That's my bad, I really should go back haha I’m partial to White Castle coffee myself. I like some Dunkin items but their coffee has way too much sugar even before I put the honey in it.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 13, 2019 16:27:24 GMT -5
I got a Dunkin' Donuts in the area, tried em once but was overwhelmed with the concept of ordering donuts from a drive through so I panicked and ordered some straight random crap coffee and plain donut. That's my bad, I really should go back haha I’m partial to White Castle coffee myself. I like some Dunkin items but their coffee has way too much sugar even before I put the honey in it. I always get my Dunkin coffee black and put stuff in it myself.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 13, 2019 16:33:08 GMT -5
All you suckas that like coffe and me here that don't like coffe. The worst part is that as someone from South America, I have access to much better coffe than your silly chain brand dirty water Or at least that is what my mother used to tell me.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 13, 2019 16:40:05 GMT -5
As far as a serious Hot Take: that G-Raver spot was incredibly poorly planned, horrifying to watch and he’s lucky to be alive.
However, Cornette wishing for him to bleed out and tragically pass away, in front of already traumatized fans, is a pretty vile comment on his part. Death match wrestling isn’t my thing, but wrestlers are artists and that’s his art. I just hope that Raver picks spots that can satisfy his audiences and also be able to survive.
Legal mumbo jumbo aside, the shirt is pretty lame and try-hard edgy. I get why he’s pissed, but I would have just kept my head high, ignored Jim and went about my business.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 13, 2019 16:45:34 GMT -5
Since people are so eager to chime in to judge Cornette I might as well give a few thoughts. I’ve said before that Cornette says outrageous stuff for reaction. He’s got a great delivery and he’s funny. He’s passionate about wrestling when it was really special. He’s managed to turn his persona into a great way for him to make a living. You never knock the hustle. He also happens to be the greatest living manager we have since we lost Bobby Heenan. His lines are usually the longest at conventions. He’s much more successful than some people will ever give him credit for. All of that said, I personally view Cornette’s rants the same way that I view a comedian’s stand up routine. Some jokes hit, some miss. It’s still entertaining. I’ve always seen comedy the same way that many people see those Comedy Central Roasts. That anything goes. It’s very hard to offend me. I’ve heard terrible jokes that I don’t agree with but I understood the humor in them. Comedians can find humor in just about anything. I’m ok with it. If I wasn’t I wouldn’t watch or pay them any attention. Cornette rants are obviously delivered in a very mocking comedic tone. He’s going for laughs. Some people get fired up and think it’s all hate. I’m sure some people will want to point out that Jim Cornette is not a comedian and that they know it’s a comedian’s job to be funny. You’re not really supposed to know Cornette is doing a routine so you’re free to believe what you want. You weren’t supposed to know wrestling was a work either. Cornette is old school. He’s been irritating crowds for decades. If he got to you then he’s still doing what he does best. Some comedians still come under a lot of scrutiny just for doing their job. Dave Chappelle is getting slammed by critics for his last special. Most fans are saying it was hilarious. Myself included. I don’t feel Chappelle is truly hateful at all. You can follow whoever or whatever you find entertaining and not agree with all of their ideology. This board is full of people that rant and rave every time there’s a WWE show in Saudi Arabia yet they still follow the product. #PotKettleBlack I’m not a member of the cult. I don’t do the toxic Twitter gimmick. The fan base can definitely get a bit cringe but so can the WWE and AEW fan base which we’re seeing more and more of recently and will probably see even more of once AEW’s show starts airing. Most of these fans are just self righteous keyboard warriors with nothing better to do. You don’t hear about them egging Joey Janela’s house or sucker punching Joey Ryan at shows. Cornette isn’t inciting anything. Most of these toxic fans are pretty harmless if you ignore them. Cornette has a hateful tone at times but much like Dave Chappelle I don’t think he’s genuinely consumed with hate either. I don’t think he loses any sleep over anyone that he says he’s annoyed with. To him it’s a job. Talk good about him or talk bad about him. Whatever you do just talk about him. It’s clearly still working. Yea, let me break this down and digest it a bit 1. Chappelle and Cornette are nothing alike. One is a full time comedian who job mixes truth and some real life shit into his comedy. Dave has stood for things and been contrite in what he believes in. Being a comedian is different than a gimmick in which you "tell it like it is". As i've said before, Cornette real life persona is too close to his "character" that others like to harp on. Chapelle will tell jokes about real life shit and as a person in the audience you are meant to enjoy the ride. With Cornette, I don't see always see comedy. Hey, let me talk shit about the Bucks because it is funny and play to my base but The Bucks aren't in on the joke so my more aggressive fans will take my words to heart and say shit to them. Meanwhile, Bucks or whoever else for this example sees Jim and he acts like everything is all good but you're making money off talking shit to me. It is not even a wink wink nudge situation where they can have fun with it, it is Jim doing what Jim wants and saying whatever he wants with no real consequence because people eat it up or defend it 2. Cornette being relevant is irrelevant to this convo. He can have the longest lines and have the most fans but that doesn't change the fact he has some real ignorant shit in his life, which includes recently as of this year. Hulk Hogan is probably the greatest living wrestler of all time but that doesn't mean we have to respect him because he is still alive. He (Hogan) can pop a crowd like no other still but you're always going to have the ignorant shit he said on your mind. With Cornette it is the same, if saying some ignorant and hateful things is a part of the gimmick, I don't want none of that especially when it is coming at other people expense 3. Bringing up "self righteous keyboard warriors" is very unnecessary. Janela, G-Raver, etc are all assholes but that doesn't make Jim any less of one. That part I bolded is important. Cornette has a hateful tone at times. If you can admit that, then why is it hard to pull back and see the crazy shit he says isn't always a "work". Shitting on Russo is his full on character, do I think he will murder him? No I do not. Hyperbole like that ranges into the realm of comedy but calling someone a butterface because they don't agree with your opinion or freely using transvestie to describe someone is some alarming shit. That's not a gimmick imo. 4. In my personal opinion I think Jim is a very hateful person and while it may not consume him, I don't think his character and real life is as separate as people want to believe. As said many times in this thread, Jim is an asshole but he is well within his right to sue this stupid asshole with that shirt. I don't care for Jim but that doesn't mean i'm blind to his rights. For Jim, I think he sees what he wants and that middle ground I talked about way earlier isn't there. Great manager, an encyclopedia of knowledge, at time a funny guy but he's an asshole.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 13, 2019 16:47:33 GMT -5
All you suckas that like coffe and me here that don't like coffe. The worst part is that as someone from South America, I have access to much better coffe than your silly chain brand dirty water Or at least that is what my mother used to tell me. That's because that coffee got coke in it lol, it is stronger
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Post by Dub H on Sept 13, 2019 16:50:24 GMT -5
Since people are so eager to chime in to judge Cornette I might as well give a few thoughts. I’ve said before that Cornette says outrageous stuff for reaction. He’s got a great delivery and he’s funny. He’s passionate about wrestling when it was really special. He’s managed to turn his persona into a great way for him to make a living. You never knock the hustle. He also happens to be the greatest living manager we have since we lost Bobby Heenan. His lines are usually the longest at conventions. He’s much more successful than some people will ever give him credit for. All of that said, I personally view Cornette’s rants the same way that I view a comedian’s stand up routine. Some jokes hit, some miss. It’s still entertaining. I’ve always seen comedy the same way that many people see those Comedy Central Roasts. That anything goes. It’s very hard to offend me. I’ve heard terrible jokes that I don’t agree with but I understood the humor in them. Comedians can find humor in just about anything. I’m ok with it. If I wasn’t I wouldn’t watch or pay them any attention. Cornette rants are obviously delivered in a very mocking comedic tone. He’s going for laughs. Some people get fired up and think it’s all hate. I’m sure some people will want to point out that Jim Cornette is not a comedian and that they know it’s a comedian’s job to be funny. You’re not really supposed to know Cornette is doing a routine so you’re free to believe what you want. You weren’t supposed to know wrestling was a work either. Cornette is old school. He’s been irritating crowds for decades. If he got to you then he’s still doing what he does best. Some comedians still come under a lot of scrutiny just for doing their job. Dave Chappelle is getting slammed by critics for his last special. Most fans are saying it was hilarious. Myself included. I don’t feel Chappelle is truly hateful at all. You can follow whoever or whatever you find entertaining and not agree with all of their ideology. This board is full of people that rant and rave every time there’s a WWE show in Saudi Arabia yet they still follow the product. #PotKettleBlack I’m not a member of the cult. I don’t do the toxic Twitter gimmick. The fan base can definitely get a bit cringe but so can the WWE and AEW fan base which we’re seeing more and more of recently and will probably see even more of once AEW’s show starts airing. Most of these fans are just self righteous keyboard warriors with nothing better to do. You don’t hear about them egging Joey Janela’s house or sucker punching Joey Ryan at shows. Cornette isn’t inciting anything. Most of these toxic fans are pretty harmless if you ignore them. Cornette has a hateful tone at times but much like Dave Chappelle I don’t think he’s genuinely consumed with hate either. I don’t think he loses any sleep over anyone that he says he’s annoyed with. To him it’s a job. Talk good about him or talk bad about him. Whatever you do just talk about him. It’s clearly still working. Yea, let me break this down and digest it a bit 1. Chappelle and Cornette are nothing alike. One is a full time comedian who job mixes truth and some real life shit into his comedy. Dave has stood for things and been contrite in what he believes in. Being a comedian is different than a gimmick in which you "tell it like it is". As i've said before, Cornette real life persona is too close to his "character" that others like to harp on. Chapelle will tell jokes about real life shit and as a person in the audience you are meant to enjoy the ride. With Cornette, I don't see always see comedy. Hey, let me talk shit about the Bucks because it is funny and play to my base but The Bucks aren't in on the joke so my more aggressive fans will take my words to heart and say shit to them. Meanwhile, Bucks or whoever else for this example sees Jim and he acts like everything is all good but you're making money off talking shit to me. It is not even a wink wink nudge situation where they can have fun with it, it is Jim doing what Jim wants and saying whatever he wants with no real consequence because people eat it up or defend it 2. Cornette being relevant is irrelevant to this convo. He can have the longest lines and have the most fans but that doesn't change the fact he has some real ignorant shit in his life, which includes recently as of this year. Hulk Hogan is probably the greatest living wrestler of all time but that doesn't mean we have to respect him because he is still alive. He (Hogan) can pop a crowd like no other still but you're always going to have the ignorant shit he said on your mind. With Cornette it is the same, if saying some ignorant and hateful things is a part of the gimmick, I don't want none of that especially when it is coming at other people expense 3. Bringing up "self righteous keyboard warriors" is very unnecessary. Janela, G-Raver, etc are all assholes but that doesn't make Jim any less of one. That part I bolded is important. Cornette has a hateful tone at times. If you can admit that, then why is it hard to pull back and see the crazy shit he says isn't always a "work". Shitting on Russo is his full on character, do I think he will murder him? No I do not. Hyperbole like that ranges into the realm of comedy but calling someone a butterface because they don't agree with your opinion or freely using transvestie to describe someone is some alarming shit. That's not a gimmick imo. 4. In my personal opinion I think Jim is a very hateful person and while it may not consume him, I don't think his character and real life is as separate as people want to believe. As said many times in this thread, Jim is an asshole but he is well within his right to sue this stupid asshole with that shirt. I don't care for Jim but that doesn't mean i'm blind to his rights. For Jim, I think he sees what he wants and that middle ground I talked about way earlier isn't there. Great manager, an encyclopedia of knowledge, at time a funny guy but he's an asshole. My only take on the character thing is among the lines of what Omega said: If he is trying to play a character he is still spreading hate ,using other peoples success, convincing people that those guys are bad influences to wrestling.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Sept 13, 2019 16:51:23 GMT -5
“Since people are so eager to chime in to judge Cornette I might as well give a few thoughts. I’ve said before that Cornette says outrageous stuff for reaction. He’s got a great delivery and he’s funny. He’s passionate about wrestling when it was really special. “
Yes! The industry itself took away a great deal of what made it special to begin with. What I have a problem is the current fan base and current practitioners wanting to remove what was left on the carcass that made it special. No. Guys like McMahon, Russo, and Heyman, and others destroyed a great deal of what was a truly unique form of performance and athletics. All I wish for is for the current audience and current wrestlers and bookers just leave what was left so that it can be somewhat recognizable as pro wrestling.
“He also happens to be the greatest living manager we have since we lost Bobby Heenan.”
Could you imagine if Bobby had been healthy enough to engage in social media or host podcasts? I fear the outraged reactions he would have gotten if he had made a joke that offended some people. The jokes he made in character in the 80’s and 90’s, especially on commentary with Monsoon, would get him blasted today.
“All of that said, I personally view Cornette’s rants the same way that I view a comedian’s stand up routine. Some jokes hit, some miss. It’s still entertaining. I’ve always seen comedy the same way that many people see those Comedy Central Roasts. That anything goes. It’s very hard to offend me. I’ve heard terrible jokes that I don’t agree with but I understood the humor in them. Comedians can find humor in just about anything. I’m ok with it. If I wasn’t I wouldn’t watch or pay them any attention.
“Cornette rants are obviously delivered in a very mocking comedic tone. He’s going for laughs. Some people get fired up and think it’s all hate. I’m sure some people will want to point out that Jim Cornette is not a comedian and that they know it’s a comedian’s job to be funny. You’re not really supposed to know Cornette is doing a routine so you’re free to believe what you want. You weren’t supposed to know wrestling was a work either. Cornette is old school. He’s been irritating crowds for decades. If he got to you then he’s still doing what he does best. “
That is a very good way of putting it. I look at Jim the same way I look at Bill Hicks. Hearing Jim rant about The Elite guys reminds me so much of Hicks ripping the New Kids On The Block and Debbie Gibson apart. Yes, it is outrageous and guaranteed to elicit a reaction, but you also get a sense that both of them really can’t believe that what they consider mediocrity is richly rewarded. Especially when that mediocrity pushes aside stuff that truly was great. Jim gets called the old asshole who is stuck in the past and Paul Heyman is considered the “genius” and “visionary” who “evolved”, but did he? As soon as he got in the corporate wrestling bubble, was he as edgy as he was when he was running ECW? In that regard, as old fashioned as he seems, Jim is probably more “punk” than Heyman simply because he wants to present HIS vision of pro wrestling with no apologies. That, to me when it is delivers with passion is deserving of respect whether you like it or not.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Sept 13, 2019 16:52:00 GMT -5
While we're at it, f*** Chapelle too
*hits the dab with some coffee and burns the hell out of my toes*
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Post by Dub H on Sept 13, 2019 16:52:06 GMT -5
All you suckas that like coffe and me here that don't like coffe. The worst part is that as someone from South America, I have access to much better coffe than your silly chain brand dirty water Or at least that is what my mother used to tell me. That's because that coffee got coke in it lol, it is stronger Ya calling my mother a crackhead? >:C I already think of caffeine as a drug anyway .
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 13, 2019 16:54:49 GMT -5
That's because that coffee got coke in it lol, it is stronger Ya calling my mother a crackhead? >:C I already think of caffeine as a drug anyway . Lol not at all, she don't know what is in it, she just knows it is good Caffeine if it isn't a drug, that shit is def addictive
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 13, 2019 16:57:44 GMT -5
While we're at it, f*** Chapelle too *hits the dab with some coffee and burns the hell out of my toes* I love Chapelle but that man def has some homophobe vibes You must want to fight TJP for the rights to Dab at Bellator
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 13, 2019 17:11:55 GMT -5
Screw Bill Hicks, NKOTB is the shit yo. I still jam to Right Stuff.
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