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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 7, 2019 21:47:46 GMT -5
Just because I've been seeing a lot of, "she's japanese, so she uses the mist, racist/stereotype/etc"...
Asuka has previously alluded to the possibility of using mist, specifically citing Great Muta as an inspiration to her to become a wrestler to begin with.
No, it's not because she's Japanese. Tenryu didn't do it in his WWF appearances, it wasn't used by Japanese gimmicks like Orient Express or Yokozuna. Tajiri did it because he, too, was emulating The Great Muta, something they drew on for their interactions in HUSTLE.
If you have any problem with her heel turn, super, but this isn't a very sound reason to go with.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 21:50:05 GMT -5
Really I mind it mostly just because it's just such a goddamn cliche at this point.
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Post by MrElijah on Oct 7, 2019 21:50:12 GMT -5
Just because I've been seeing a lot of, "she's japanese, so she uses the mist, racist/stereotype/etc"... Asuka has previously alluded to the possibility of using mist, specifically citing Great Muta as an inspiration to her to become a wrestler to begin with. No, it's not because she's Japanese. Tenryu didn't do it in his WWF appearances, it wasn't used by Japanese gimmicks like Orient Express or Yokozuna. Tajiri did it because he, too, was emulating The Great Muta, something they drew on for their interactions in HUSTLE. If you have any problem with her heel turn, super, but this isn't a very sound reason to go with. And they all pay tribute to the Great Kabuki.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 7, 2019 21:52:31 GMT -5
Wait, it has NOTHING to do with her being Japanese? That's obviously not true.
I'm... actually a little confused about what the point is, here. She likes Muta... great. That doesn't make it not a stereotype?
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Post by DASH 243✅ on Oct 7, 2019 21:52:42 GMT -5
I mark for mist imo
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 7, 2019 21:54:34 GMT -5
Really I mind it mostly just because it's just such a goddamn cliche at this point. Cool visual, cheap to do, don't have to worry about transporting it and dealing with airport security, doesn't annoy Mattel as being a household object used as a weapon, etc, and no one actually gets hurt. It's about as great a gift of a foreign object as WWE can get these days. Cliche? Eh. It's 2019, there's precious few new things you can do in a wrestling ring, and I don't think anyone's been using mist in WWE for years, that I can recall, anyway, so I don't mind a bit.
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Post by Jiren on Oct 7, 2019 21:57:05 GMT -5
If she does it as a tribute to Muta then whats the problem? (The last person I remember using mist in WWE was Tajiri)
It's a cool looking move
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 7, 2019 21:59:23 GMT -5
Wait, it has NOTHING to do with her being Japanese? That's obviously not true. I'm... actually a little confused about what the point is, here. She likes Muta... great. That doesn't make it not a stereotype? If you're confused, I am not sure if you skimmed the post and missed a spot or what, because I illustrated that not every Japanese wrestler, or indeed, even most of them, have used mist. She is copying a specific person. That's the point. It in no way qualifies as a stereotype. Samoans or black people, if you want to go back further, having hard skulls and being able to execute headbutts without injury, or having people headbutt them or slam them into the turnbuckle without hurting them, that's playing off of stereotypes. Do you remember when Marty McFly's boss fired him in Back to the Future 2 by spraying mist in his face? Or when Long Duk Dong did that in Sixteen Candles? Me neither. That's not even getting into how MsChif and others have used the move, and I'm preeeeeeeeeetty sure she's white and doesn't have an Asian gimmick or something.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 7, 2019 22:02:36 GMT -5
My mind didn't even go to racism
It was Oh cool, we haven't seen mist in a min and it actually fits Asuka
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Post by Dub H on Oct 7, 2019 22:03:03 GMT -5
Asuka always be spitting poison,aint nothing new!
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Post by Dub H on Oct 7, 2019 22:03:45 GMT -5
Wait, it has NOTHING to do with her being Japanese? That's obviously not true. I'm... actually a little confused about what the point is, here. She likes Muta... great. That doesn't make it not a stereotype? If you're confused, I am not sure if you skimmed the post and missed a spot or what, because I illustrated that not every Japanese wrestler, or indeed, even most of them, have used mist. She is copying a specific person. That's the point. It in no way qualifies as a stereotype. Samoans or black people, if you want to go back further, having hard skulls and being able to execute headbutts without injury, or having people headbutt them or slam them into the turnbuckle without hurting them, that's playing off of stereotypes. Do you remember when Marty McFly's boss fired him in Back to the Future 2 by spraying mist in his face? Or when Long Duk Dong did that in Sixteen Candles? Me neither. Yeh stereotypes is not the same as cultural influence. Should Masked wrestlers stop high flying moves?
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Post by bearned on Oct 7, 2019 22:06:55 GMT -5
The mist is cool and we haven’t seen it on TV for a while, so why not let her do it?
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 7, 2019 22:08:38 GMT -5
How about the Vince trope of any heel who is foreign speaking in their native tounge to get heat, can I be mad about that?
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 7, 2019 22:11:03 GMT -5
How about the Vince trope of any heel who is foreign speaking in their native tounge to get heat, can I be mad about that? Certainly. I'm not going to claim they aren't going to lean into xenophobia, WWE loves to indulge in that. Hell, heel Andre speaking French was done to get heat at the WM 3 contract signing to show disdain for Hogan, to play into the idea that not speaking English is hiding behind a veil to badmouth people, etc.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 7, 2019 22:12:21 GMT -5
It's a cool visual and fits a heel more, and Asuka apparently used mist in Japan as well
Her grinning with a dripping green maw could be a shirt.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 22:26:05 GMT -5
I like it, and I also like the heel turn in general. There's a good chance WWE will f*** it all up of course, but for now I say it's a win-win for Kabuki Warriors and Bliss Cross to change alignments.
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Post by Perd on Oct 7, 2019 22:30:58 GMT -5
I think it’s badass.
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Post by Lancers on Oct 7, 2019 22:31:24 GMT -5
My only issue is that it makes the refs look like absolute dumbasses. Asuka's mouth is completely green and her opponent is covered in it. Can you not put two and two together John Cone?
Bottom line, Asuka needs access to a napkin.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 7, 2019 22:33:42 GMT -5
My only issue is that it makes the refs look like absolute dumbasses. Asuka's mouth is completely green and her opponent is covered in it. Can you not put two and two together John Cone? Bottom line, Asuka needs access to a napkin. Now if Asuka tried to use a sledgehammer to win matches, John Cone would be scrambling to call off the match.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Oct 7, 2019 22:33:55 GMT -5
I just don’t like the heel turn.
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