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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Oct 7, 2019 23:23:21 GMT -5
Also, if Asuka and Kairi are turning heel, and Io is already a heel down in NXT, can we just recreate the Black Lotus Triad from Lucha Underground? We've already got two of the three original members (just replace Mayu Iwatani with Asuka).
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 7, 2019 23:28:33 GMT -5
I know that's largely your irrational hatred of Sane speaking, but the Lacey idea is legitimately gold. I hear Sane went full heel and ditched the Pirate stuff for a night? There’s hope for her yet. My dislike of her was 100% everything about the character and presentation. Na you was just being a big hoe who didn’t see the brighter things in life
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 23:36:21 GMT -5
Also, if Asuka and Kairi are turning heel, and Io is already a heel down in NXT, can we just recreate the Black Lotus Triad from Lucha Underground? We've already got two of the three original members (just replace Mayu Iwatani with Asuka). Kairi needs to embrace her Doku persona break out the tight black leather , Loved her with the leather jacket so simply yet suited her perfectly.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Oct 7, 2019 23:39:04 GMT -5
I know that's largely your irrational hatred of Sane speaking, but the Lacey idea is legitimately gold. I hear Sane went full heel and ditched the Pirate stuff for a night? There’s hope for her yet. My dislike of her was 100% everything about the character and presentation. Yacht Persona is money! Regardless of that though I do love this idea. Even without breaking up the team you can go old school with it. Gives Lacey a purpose, gives the team a mouthpiece. I'm sure she could totally Col. Robert Parker it up.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Oct 7, 2019 23:39:38 GMT -5
Sane is actually kinda funny in the Japanese promos, she comes across as a big suck up to Asuka.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 23:45:48 GMT -5
I love that Kairi has already seemlessly blended heel tactics but has kept her complete aborableness intact.
Will make it easy for her to transition back into a babyface if WWE just suddenly changes their mind (like usual) about her being a heel.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Oct 7, 2019 23:51:19 GMT -5
I hear Sane went full heel and ditched the Pirate stuff for a night? There’s hope for her yet. My dislike of her was 100% everything about the character and presentation. Yacht Persona is money! Regardless of that though I do love this idea. Even without breaking up the team you can go old school with it. Gives Lacey a purpose, gives the team a mouthpiece. I'm sure she could totally Col. Robert Parker it up. Would fit them better than Paige.
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Post by r. on Oct 8, 2019 0:11:15 GMT -5
In a twist it's actually because Asuka has an infected tooth. You're all monsters for demanding more of this!
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Oct 8, 2019 0:11:31 GMT -5
Remember when people were calling Kabuki warriors racist and Asuka had publicly say that the name was her idea and she wanted to use it.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Oct 8, 2019 0:13:48 GMT -5
Now that Balors gone, I want whatever that Demon/killer clown looking thing she was doing in a Japan to debut.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 8, 2019 0:18:47 GMT -5
Wait, it has NOTHING to do with her being Japanese? That's obviously not true. I'm... actually a little confused about what the point is, here. She likes Muta... great. That doesn't make it not a stereotype? If you're confused, I am not sure if you skimmed the post and missed a spot or what, because I illustrated that not every Japanese wrestler, or indeed, even most of them, have used mist. She is copying a specific person. That's the point. It in no way qualifies as a stereotype. Samoans or black people, if you want to go back further, having hard skulls and being able to execute headbutts without injury, or having people headbutt them or slam them into the turnbuckle without hurting them, that's playing off of stereotypes. Do you remember when Marty McFly's boss fired him in Back to the Future 2 by spraying mist in his face? Or when Long Duk Dong did that in Sixteen Candles? Me neither. That's not even getting into how MsChif and others have used the move, and I'm preeeeeeeeeetty sure she's white and doesn't have an Asian gimmick or something. Yeah, not every Japanese person uses mist, but every person who uses mist that I can think of (with the one exception you listed, and who wasn't in the WWE) is Japanese or playing a Japanese gimmick. Just, like, if Asuka was exactly the same person, same love of Muta and everything, but she wasn't Japanese, it's much much much less likely she'd be doing the mist. The mist and her ethnicity are not unrelated.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Oct 8, 2019 0:20:19 GMT -5
Remember when people were calling Kabuki warriors racist and Asuka had publicly say that the name was her idea and she wanted to use it. Sometimes you have to look for reasons to be angry, facts be damned.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 8, 2019 0:21:50 GMT -5
If you're confused, I am not sure if you skimmed the post and missed a spot or what, because I illustrated that not every Japanese wrestler, or indeed, even most of them, have used mist. She is copying a specific person. That's the point. It in no way qualifies as a stereotype. Samoans or black people, if you want to go back further, having hard skulls and being able to execute headbutts without injury, or having people headbutt them or slam them into the turnbuckle without hurting them, that's playing off of stereotypes. Do you remember when Marty McFly's boss fired him in Back to the Future 2 by spraying mist in his face? Or when Long Duk Dong did that in Sixteen Candles? Me neither. That's not even getting into how MsChif and others have used the move, and I'm preeeeeeeeeetty sure she's white and doesn't have an Asian gimmick or something. Yeah, not every Japanese person uses mist, but every person who uses mist that I can think of (with the one exception you listed, and who wasn't in the WWE) is Japanese or playing a Japanese gimmick. Just, like, if Asuka was exactly the same person, same love of Muta and everything, but she wasn't Japanese, it's much much much less likely she'd be doing the mist. The mist and her ethnicity are not unrelated. Okay, here's a WWE one for you. Hornswoggle did the mist, too. That satisfy you, or...?
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 8, 2019 1:21:07 GMT -5
Yeah, not every Japanese person uses mist, but every person who uses mist that I can think of (with the one exception you listed, and who wasn't in the WWE) is Japanese or playing a Japanese gimmick. Just, like, if Asuka was exactly the same person, same love of Muta and everything, but she wasn't Japanese, it's much much much less likely she'd be doing the mist. The mist and her ethnicity are not unrelated. Okay, here's a WWE one for you. Hornswoggle did the mist, too. That satisfy you, or...? I just don't understand the point. It's undeniable that there is an association between using the mist and being Japanese in wrestling. Right? A higher proportion of people who use the mist are Japanese than we would expect to happen by chance. Fans know this and associate the mist with being Japanese. This is not really arguable. So I think you're just using a definition of "stereotype" where, like, if every single Japanese person ever doesn't use the mist, then it's not a stereotype... and you could defend that, I guess, but it's a weird way of using that term. Isn't the more important thing just that people associate the thing with the social grouping, period? I also just kind of don't get why this is even worth defending. I don't see this particular stereotype as even being particularly harmful (beyond the whole "Asians are exotic!" thing which is a bridge we've long since already crossed) so what's it matter that it's a stereotype?
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 8, 2019 1:51:27 GMT -5
Okay, here's a WWE one for you. Hornswoggle did the mist, too. That satisfy you, or...? I just don't understand the point. It's undeniable that there is an association between using the mist and being Japanese in wrestling. Right? A higher proportion of people who use the mist are Japanese than we would expect to happen by chance. Fans know this and associate the mist with being Japanese. This is not really arguable. So I think you're just using a definition of "stereotype" where, like, if every single Japanese person ever doesn't use the mist, then it's not a stereotype... and you could defend that, I guess, but it's a weird way of using that term. Isn't the more important thing just that people associate the thing with the social grouping, period? I also just kind of don't get why this is even worth defending. I don't see this particular stereotype as even being particularly harmful (beyond the whole "Asians are exotic!" thing which is a bridge we've long since already crossed) so what's it matter that it's a stereotype? Okay, maybe this will clarify my point of what I mean by a stereotype. For something to be stereotypical, there is a cultural context to that, which there isn't with using the mist. There's no non-wrestling context for that, though, so while it could be considered a cliche, it doesn't fit to call it a stereotype. Giving all or most black wrestlers rap themes? That's playing into stereotypes. A ton of stuff they did with Kaientai, like the bad dubbing, Mr. Yamaguchi has a business man in a way that really lined up with "yellow peril" fears of Japanese economic influence, etc. Or WM 9's super stereotypical "tourist" they interview in the audience that was seemingly a plant speaking incredibly broken english and snapping pictures, to try to hype Yokozuna up as some big Japanese cultural icon, for another example. Hell, you could argue that MJF having a gimmick of a very affluent person is playing into stereotypes on account of him being Jewish, though I think he skirts that line well without crossing it. It'd be like if I said Lucha House Party doing armdrags was stereotypical because they're such a lucha mainstay associated with many hispanic wrestlers. That'd be absurd, right? But if I said having the pinata was playing into stereotypes, that'd make more sense. We on the same page now?
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Post by Steveweiser on Oct 8, 2019 2:53:58 GMT -5
Kagetsu spews mist in STARDOM, a Japanese based promotion. I see no issue with it.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Oct 8, 2019 3:31:56 GMT -5
Yeah, not every Japanese person uses mist, but every person who uses mist that I can think of (with the one exception you listed, and who wasn't in the WWE) is Japanese or playing a Japanese gimmick. Just, like, if Asuka was exactly the same person, same love of Muta and everything, but she wasn't Japanese, it's much much much less likely she'd be doing the mist. The mist and her ethnicity are not unrelated. Okay, here's a WWE one for you. Hornswoggle did the mist, too. That satisfy you, or...? That’s cultural appropriation!!!!* *Please don’t hit me. I don’t believe what I just posted.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Oct 8, 2019 3:49:23 GMT -5
Kagetsu spews mist in STARDOM, a Japanese based promotion. I see no issue with it. Same with Tajiri and Sakura Hirota, it's pretty common these days.
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Post by abjordans on Oct 8, 2019 4:44:09 GMT -5
Mist is awesome, Kabuki Warriors are awesome. I would wager Asuka wanted to use the mist.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Oct 8, 2019 5:29:47 GMT -5
I love it. Mist rules.
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