Seth has always been unlikable.

[BatPunk]

I’m just remembering his time in ROH and they we’re giving him the push to the Championship as a face and the crowd just weren’t into it. I was in Manhattan for a triple threat for the championship with Austin Aries, Jerry Lynn and Rollins (Tyler Black) and I dont know that I’ve heard more heated ‘go away heat’ than that at any wresting show I’ve been to. I also don’t think I’ve heard a bigger pop than when he was pinned and eliminated.

Point being, for as long as I’ve watched him wrestle, his character is and has always has been very unlikable. He’s got the flashy moves of a face, but then he gets a mic and all that is gone.

WWE needs to turn him back heel and double down any time the crowd feel like he might need a face turn.

[06vwgti]

He always had a whinny unlikable voice, perfect for a heel, and not a face IMO.

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Best version of Rollins.

I don't care how his voice sounds to people nor do I care that people said he cut a "bad promo." He was always killing it in the ring and no matter what he did character-wise I was down with it whether the Shield was a face or a heel. Whether he did singles, whether he worked on the team, regardless that was Seth in his best from an overall perspective to me.

[Fade]

Yeah, he was cool during the Shield.

Then again, so was Roman and Ambrose.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

That’s the thing... Rollins has always been like this, so what was different about the times he was unanimously beloved as a face to now? Was it that imperative that we got Reigns out of that spot that we just wanted a strong worker even if they weren’t necessarily a “good guy”?

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Oct 14, 2019 23:07:32 GMT -5 06vwgti said:

He always had a whinny unlikable voice, perfect for a heel, and not a face IMO.

And how is he supposed to fix that?

I can’t hold his voice against him as a criticism of him being a babyface, because we really can’t expect him to, for example, put on an accent and force a different voice on himself.

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-During his redemption angle with Ambrose when they started teaming up.
-February 2018, when he had that awesome gauntlet match performance.
-During his first IC title reign.

I thought he was likable at those times. There's a reason up until he started bootlicking for WWE on Twitter this year that he had something like an 85% approval rate here.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Oct 14, 2019 23:17:50 GMT -5 @dax said:

-During his redemption angle with Ambrose when they started teaming up.
-Spring 2018.
-During his first IC title reign.

I thought he was likable at those times. There's a reason up until this year he had something like an 85% approval rate here.

So, the question must be asked... what changed?

I don’t think anything on-screen has changed, I think a lot of the change in opinion has come from people wanting him to eat shit for clapping back at fans being critical of the product. Nothing loses goodwill faster than actively dismissing criticism.

[Perd]

I bet him and Becky no sell each other’s orgasms.

[Starshine]

Oct 14, 2019 23:13:19 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Oct 14, 2019 23:07:32 GMT -5 06vwgti said:

He always had a whinny unlikable voice, perfect for a heel, and not a face IMO.

And how is he supposed to fix that?

I can’t hold his voice against him as a criticism of him being a babyface, because we really can’t expect him to, for example, put on an accent and force a different voice on himself.

I mean, good actors do that all the time depending on the role requirements. There's no obligation to keep Rollins in the top billing if he can't deliver.

Personally, I don't care about his voice either way. But it's not crazy to say he's not a performing at a top guy level. His promos and delivery are pretty bad, and it's definitely fair to demand he improve on that.

[This Player Hating Mothman]

Oct 14, 2019 23:20:38 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Oct 14, 2019 23:17:50 GMT -5 @dax said:

-During his redemption angle with Ambrose when they started teaming up.
-Spring 2018.
-During his first IC title reign.

I thought he was likable at those times. There's a reason up until this year he had something like an 85% approval rate here.

So, the question must be asked... what changed?

I don’t think anything on-screen has changed, I think a lot of the change in opinion has come from people wanting him to eat shit for clapping back at fans being critical of the product. Nothing loses goodwill faster than actively dismissing criticism.

A lot has changed on-screen. His character is getting that Composite Top Guy syndrome and it's not f***ing there. With say the redemption angle, he was a guy who was looking to atone for the shitty things he'd done. He wasn't a white meat good guy, he wasn't treated like some cool neato dude, he was a man who had f***ed up and needed forgiveness from his brother. Nothing about him in that feud was 'cool' and we weren't supposed to see him as a great guy, but as someone trying to get past the misdeeds of their past. And obviously that's not a story yo ucan un forever, but there's still a lot of space between 'former f***-up seeking redemption' and what they have him doing now. He's not a pure babyface and I don't think any of the times he was over saw him being a pure babyface. Or at least as close to pure as the ordained top guy in WWE gets, which is not actually very pure at all. He's swapped with Roman now and he's running into the same problems with that character type that Roman had.

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Oct 14, 2019 23:20:38 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Oct 14, 2019 23:17:50 GMT -5 @dax said:

-During his redemption angle with Ambrose when they started teaming up.
-Spring 2018.
-During his first IC title reign.

I thought he was likable at those times. There's a reason up until this year he had something like an 85% approval rate here.

So, the question must be asked... what changed?

I don’t think anything on-screen has changed, I think a lot of the change in opinion has come from people wanting him to eat shit for clapping back at fans being critical of the product. Nothing loses goodwill faster than actively dismissing criticism.

Edited my post to include that. That stuff has had a huge effect for sure, but I think it started brewing back in January when people were wanting Finn to face Brock at WM after their awesome Rumble match and instead they decided to go with Seth, who was coming off that horrible Ambrose feud and lost momentum because of it.

I'm still a fan, but This Player Hating Mothman's post was spot on.

[Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks]

Guess I need to eat my words. Of the Shield trio, I used to swear up and down that Reigns was the most natural heel, Rollins was the most natural face, and Ambrose could play either role or do the tweener thing. At this point I'm really only sure about that last one.

There was a stretch of time where babyface Rollins was working and I was all for pushing him to the moon, but I feel like he's got too many factors working against him at this point. He's been damaged by shitty booking, his social media dickery rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, they've leaned into the Triple H tribute stuff way too hard, he's been put in the position of stopping the momentum of other popular wrestlers, and when it comes to crowd-popping flashy moves, there are plenty of people on the roster who outclass him at this point.

[-Lithium-]

Lol, no. He was one of the most over faces in 2017-2018.

The WWE and/or Vince just have no clue how to handle a top face. Vince is an absolute, total creative dunce whos instincts (creatively) are nearly always wrong. Reigns could have been a cool, silent badass massively over face, but idiot Vince didn't learn from the previous decade of Cena getting booed out of the arena that people didn't want the top guy to just be some bland, goofy guy.

Summer 2016 just sums up how much of a creative zilch Vince McMahon is. "THE GUY" Roman Reigns was suppose to be top face and was horrendously, horribly booed week in and and week out, but he stayed the same. Seth Rollins came back and people loved it and wanted to cheer him, but he had to remain a heel. It's just unreal how consistently wrong he is on a creative level.

[héad.casé]

He hasn't always been unlikeable. I really didn't think his face turn was working until his redemption angle with Ambrose. That did so f***ing much to get him over as a face. We saw a guy humbled, asking for forgiveness for the shit he did in the past and wanting to make it right. Then there was his star making performance in the Gauntlet where he beat Roman and Cena clean, and took that momentum on to a pretty good IC Title reign until he started feuding with Ziggler.

Besides the Twitter comments, I can't really think of what went wrong apart from maybe reuniting the Shield this time last year halted his momentum a bit. Before Roman left for his illness people still didn't like him, and I think it was bringing Seth and Ambrose down by association and I don't think Seth has really recovered since. That's just what I think though.

[Brian Suntan]

A lot of people don't like whoever is booked to be the top face in the WWE for the same reason kids don't like stuff their parents like. The WWE is uncool and so anyone they outwardly love is uncool.

Seth then doubled down and started defending the company on Twitter, an opinion he's entitled to but nobody wants to hear.

And now he's in a situation where he's fueding with Wyatt, who is hugely over and everyone is overprotective of anything that doesn't involve him going over.

If Seth was in the mid-card having good matches while Roman was spearing the Funhouse in the main event and chatting shit on Twitter, Seth would be popular as he has been in the past.

[spagett]

Oct 15, 2019 6:00:38 GMT -5 Brian Suntan said:

A lot of people don't like whoever is booked to be the top face in the WWE for the same reason kids don't like stuff their parents like. The WWE is uncool and so anyone they outwardly love is uncool.

Seth then doubled down and started defending the company on Twitter, an opinion he's entitled to but nobody wants to hear.

And now he's in a situation where he's fueding with Wyatt, who is hugely over and everyone is overprotective of anything that doesn't involve him going over.

If Seth was in the mid-card having good matches while Roman was spearing the Funhouse in the main event and chatting shit on Twitter, Seth would be popular as he has been in the past.

He was being a complete jerk on twitter, it wasn't just a case of him defending WWE that annoyed people.

Hell, Rollins himself admitted he was being out of order and had to apologise to Ospreay.

He's been booked badly, he should never have been booked to feud with Wyatt, and he's come across very poorly on social media. It's a mix that has led to him getting booed.

[Bo Rida]

To me it's when he essentially declared himself locker room leader. Already a bit dodgy as I thought others naturally put you in that role but fine, if that's how it works go ahead.
However he took that to mean defend everything WWE. Not in a good taking responsibility on his shoulders to protect others way but lashing out at fans, wrestlers and defending the indefensible.

There's been nothing to suggest this on screen either. Kevin Owens fought for people against management while Rollins emulated HHH more. Bryan got Kofi and Rowan over but Rollins hasn't elevated people.
Without the meta elements he's not exactly been killing it on-screen lately.

He seems like a manager of a failing sports team, lashing out at imagined enemies rather than taking responsibility for the flaws.


Tbh I'm starting to feel some sympathy for him, he's assumingly got everything he's ever wanted and should be on top of the world but still seems miserable.

[eJm]

Oct 15, 2019 6:00:38 GMT -5 Brian Suntan said:

If Seth was in the mid-card having good matches while Roman was spearing the Funhouse in the main event and chatting shit on Twitter, Seth would be popular as he has been in the past.

I mean, yeah, if different events happened in a completely different order or even didn't happen at all, a different outcome would have happened.

[Allie Kitsune]

Oct 14, 2019 23:07:32 GMT -5 06vwgti said:

He always had a whinny unlikable voice, perfect for a heel, and not a face IMO.

I've never liked the idea that someone deserves to be hated because of how their voice sounds.